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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.03.20 15:25:00 -
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Current estimates are right after fan fest. We may get lucky and get it before the fest as part of a draw back i.to the game befor hype dumping on the dust players. I will say fanfest is the rare time ccp overhypes their games. Mosr blogs and interviews that try or do hype up eve are rather modest and surface scratching.
As for the defiance demo its bad does one of the worst thing a game can do... Which is lower the bar on what is an acceptaple wow clone(dont deny it, its a clone of world of warcraft with about 6 hours of content) . At least the old republic pulled hat aspect off right just had some birthing issues which led to its free to play. Trion only has been making games for two years and for some reason dont seem to understand how to player retention that well as a company. I mean comon holding pre order bonuses as a hostage (if insufficent pre orders are made you dont get the bonus) and then taking money during beta before a pay per copy launch is launched.
At least dust is a proper beta test for now and at this point they have no plans to lock out testers from their progress or puchases anymore. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 15:43:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Ccp is yet to deliver anything promised put frankly even if they do deploy a new build at this point I have no faith it will work and it will take another 6 month's for anything else new to come along. I'm positive in a year or twos time this game will be awsome but I'm afired by that point it will be too late. They can't treat this game like EvE the markets are very diffrent to how eve was when it started they won't have a core base of players to build off if they keep fumbling along like they are.... Others. Companys are fair better at their phases. If dust had kept the NDA shield people are far more forgiving but this is been treated as a finished product and even as a free game its sub par as shown by Sony lack of intrest in promoting the game
I know its hard to belive in that ccp has the best desires for dust to succeede to the point it is a passion. Right now a few teams from eve online are helping with system design. For example plaetary conquest was an eve team feature.
Version 0.8 has many many things inbound because all the things ccp was unable to test on the test severs are no longer affected. They have been furoisly mad logging all the stresses the game has had on ccp's tranqulility severs.
While I have to agree at this time dust could be better and the lack of upcomming updates is leaving more questions than I could safely answer. (though devs talking to is at an all time high) . Time is their enemy as in they do not have enough of it. If you saw that skybox that we are not supposed to see yet you can get a somewat better appreciation for the game as that sky box is near final asset. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 16:29:00 -
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Kitten Commander wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Ccp is yet to deliver anything promised put frankly even if they do deploy a new build at this point I have no faith it will work and it will take another 6 month's for anything else new to come along. I'm positive in a year or twos time this game will be awsome but I'm afired by that point it will be too late. They can't treat this game like EvE the markets are very diffrent to how eve was when it started they won't have a core base of players to build off if they keep fumbling along like they are.... Others. Companys are fair better at their phases. If dust had kept the NDA shield people are far more forgiving but this is been treated as a finished product and even as a free game its sub par as shown by Sony lack of intrest in promoting the game I know its hard to belive in that ccp has the best desires for dust to succeede to the point it is a passion. Right now a few teams from eve online are helping with system design. For example plaetary conquest was an eve team feature. Version 0.8 has many many things inbound because all the things ccp was unable to test on the test severs are no longer affected. They have been furoisly mad logging all the stresses the game has had on ccp's tranqulility severs. While I have to agree at this time dust could be better and the lack of upcomming updates is leaving more questions than I could safely answer. (though devs talking to is at an all time high) . Time is their enemy as in they do not have enough of it. If you saw that skybox that we are not supposed to see yet you can get a somewat better appreciation for the game as that sky box is near final asset. Its not the DEVs that people have issues with, its the marketing team. The DEV team has been quite active on the forums and relaying information that they are allowed to give out. On the other hand, the marketing of this game has been awful at best. SOONGäó has been the biggest botch in customer communication in a long time. Its the proverbial carrot dangling in front of you that you will never get. Hell, even if they said that the next build would be an April/May timeframe, people would at least calm down a little since they know it will come in a certain slot. God help CCP if they announce a Summer launch for the build at Fanfest because you will see people walk away in droves as they are already tired of the vague hype.
I fully agree its marketing's fault but they're only doing it to get money for the company... There is still a faction warfare update on the way though, blog should be out in the month along with possible other blogs such as the map guys doing a blog on game types and going beyond the clone out and launcher games, and they will hit lightly on map design during that. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 16:30:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Version 0.8 has many many things inbound because all the things ccp was unable to test on the test severs are no longer affected. They have been furoisly mad logging all the stresses the game has had on ccp's tranqulility severs.
I don't completely agree with Steadyhand, but this sentence seems to me as you must know something we don't. The only thing confirmed by the Devs so far for 0.8 is PC. Other than that I have not seen any rock solid confirmation of anything else in 0.8. Just a lot of speculation and half promises. If the Devs are giving you information that we, as a community, are not getting, then either you need to tell us, or they need to stop sharing with just you. Even if you are just a CCP alt, the manner in which this is conducted is really screwed. Are CCP so incapable of scheduling to know what is or is not going to be in the next build? The only reason to not elaborate on what you plan for the next build is because you are deeply afraid of making any commitments, because you don't have the confidence to complete it on time, or with what you promise. If CCP has so little faith in their Dev team to stay on schedule, or not break the game, then why are we even here? Why should I invest anymore money into amateur hour in Iceland/Shanghai? Just because they are making promises of an interesting game? The really sad thing is, that the committed Eve fans are still buying Merc packs right now. They still need to get their 30 day actives, and spend Aurum on passive boosters to not become disadvantaged. They are essentially paying a subscription for the beta, and as long as that remains the case, CCP does not need to advance any further. They will have no incentive for pushing forward as long as they are getting their small sliver of reliable income. So if you want this game to move forward, show CCP that they don't deserve more of your money until they can start to get onto a committed schedule, and actually deliver.
The word to use now a days is Soon and not Soon(tm)
They know the schedule, just that way scrum works is mostly alot of planning and researching first then sprinting like a mad rabbit getting away from a Cheetah.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:02:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I fully agree its marketing's fault but they're only doing it to get money for the company... There is still a faction warfare update on the way though, blog should be out in the month along with possible other blogs such as the map guys doing a blog on game types and going beyond the clone out and launcher games, and they will hit lightly on map design during that.
There is only one Dev blog I want to see, the one about the new build and its features. Not anything further in the future than that. You know what would be better than a blog about new maps? New maps! Sound blog? New sounds! CCP needs to stop making promises, and start delivering. Everything else is just BS. And that BS is getting to the point of making me say F it and just walking away from the game. Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
The word to use now a days is Soon and not Soon(tm)
They know the schedule, just that way scrum works is mostly alot of planning and researching first then sprinting like a mad rabbit getting away from a Cheetah.
Maybe I am cynical, maybe I am a skeptic, or maybe I am a pessimist. This all reads like, we don't want to tell people how far out the actual update is, because if we did, then most of the playerbase would take a long break, and the sales of merc packs would dry up overnight. People need to stop supporting this with their wallets until CCP gives the players something worth their cash. Considering the content on offer right now, they have been grossly overcompensated for what they have produced thus far.
Writing a dev blog is a complicated process. Requires peer reviews and editing and editors it also consumes quite a bit of developer's time. Best time to write blogs is right after majority of the feature completion and before the team gets reassigned to help other teams behind on tasks.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:08:00 -
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Kitten Commander wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I fully agree its marketing's fault but they're only doing it to get money for the company... There is still a faction warfare update on the way though, blog should be out in the month along with possible other blogs such as the map guys doing a blog on game types and going beyond the clone out and launcher games, and they will hit lightly on map design during that.
The problem is that once you put money into the equation, you have to realize that the situation has completely changed. You are now responsible for delivering a product that people are paying for. CCP needs to realize that most players are not buying Merc Packs or AUR for the game as it is now, they are investing in what they hope that the game will become. The more disenfranchised people become as to when that date will be, the less they are willing to invest and the more bitter they will become that they put money into promises that always just seem to be on the horizon. Look at what you posted. Its all about blogs that should be coming out promising things that will be out at another time. Its just more teases to promises about dates. Im not faulting you or the DEV team about this as its obvious that you cannot release information without the marketing seal of approval, but it is just the same ol same ol as far as players are concerned.
0.7 was promised to be a stability build, Devs championed it as a fix build and everyone that was mostly in the know in knew it was a fix build and a non content build.
0.8 is promised to be a major massive content build more so than most of the previous builds combined. From the things I have been seeing so far. Its going to deliver at least something, it wont be an empty build that 0.7 was I can grantee that. I would like to say though that in the future updates similar to 0.7 that is all fixes and no content are likely to happen again. While you will celebrate it for the first week, its benifits get quickly forgotten. Please stop proving marketing right on this aspect the fix patches do not draw in newer players like a new feature build does. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:19:00 -
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Considering that most devs dont have weekends in the launch rush or work overtime or at home after hours... yeah a short vacation after successful build launch does not surprise me to get over the hangovers. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:52:00 -
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On the flip side problems and issues create a bad stigma over time and eventually while you may not get as many new players as new shiney features they can easily still just as leave if the game was still having an appox 25% fail to battle rate. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:13:00 -
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Of course just it took hammering after hammering and incarna riots to get ccp convinced to make a fix it patch. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:11:00 -
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Kitten Commander wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Of course just it took hammering after hammering and incarna riots to get ccp convinced to make a fix it patch. BTW Wolf - I would like to say thanks for the intelligent and non-PR slanted conversation. Not once have I seen you blow things out of proportion or treat any of this as a personal attack. So, cheers to you.
Well I am not well versed in many things but at least I try to make people understand that CCP are just as human and can't do everything the have planned for the next 10 years today. |
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