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Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1007	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:48:00 - [1] - Quote Most of them have been stuck in milita gear for ages now. They're mostly using starter fits, which means they would probably have a ** load of ISK saved up for better gear, yet we never see them run anything higher then milita, or standard. Do they not know how to use the skill book system? or do they think they can just do well by just sticking with the starter fits, and save every ISk they gather? I mean, what use is all that ISk if you're never going to use it? They all lock themselves in ** gear, while the competent players upgrade, and pubstomp with avd/ proto gear. They would all be far more deadly if they just used something better then their starter fits.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 2081	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:49:00 - [2] - Quote I've run into a number of blueberries on comms who don't seem to realize this, this game is anything but intuitive for new players, that's for damn sure.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 27	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:52:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I've run into a number of blueberries on comms who don't seem to realize this, this game is anything but intuitive for new players, that's for damn sure. The only thing truly scary in this world is the number of stupid people who persist successfully inside of it.
knight of 6 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 100	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:53:00 - [4] - Quote no, skilling is something that comes only after you've messed up a few times. and the idea that just because you can use it doesn't mean you are properly skilled to do so is even more forign
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 692	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:54:00 - [5] - Quote T he game has crappy tutorials, CCp really need to make some better ones
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 319	Posted - 2013.03.18 01:58:00 - [6] - Quote No, they don't actually. I constantly get PMs from new players on my Youtube asking me how I have the equipment I do with zero understanding of the SP / ISK system. I would say a good 9 out of 10 players quit this game without ever having opened purchased an item from the marketplace or spending a single skill point.
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 319	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:01:00 - [7] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I've run into a number of blueberries on comms who don't seem to realize this, this game is anything but intuitive for new players, that's for damn sure. The only thing truly scary in this world is the number of stupid people who persist successfully inside of it. Quote: Symptoms of groupthink include: 2. Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, impotent, or stupid.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 338	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:02:00 - [8] - Quote I'm sure there is some who have absolutely no idea about the skills or upgrading, but I think most are just playing it safe by using low-risk suits and getting their ISK up while they learn the game and get comfortable with it. I did this as well when I first started, then I grew out of it and now run about the best I can 100% of the time. ISK is no problem, I play lots of ambush (which are quick matches) and usually get ~250k a match. Even running my top-end gear all the time, I have about 71 million ISK at this point.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 81	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:06:00 - [9] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I've run into a number of blueberries on comms who don't seem to realize this, this game is anything but intuitive for new players, that's for damn sure. The only thing truly scary in this world is the number of stupid people who persist successfully inside of it.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming 28	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:07:00 - [10] - Quote Stereotypes exist for a reason. And so do stupid people.

Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1007	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:07:00 - [11] - Quote Someone needs to make a tutorial video for all the newberries who lurk through youtube. People need to understand, or they'll all just leave, which will cause this game to fail. We must teach them how to teach themselves.
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 319	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:12:00 - [12] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Someone needs to make a tutorial video for all the newberries who lurk through youtube. People need to understand, or they'll all just leave, which will cause this game to fail. We must teach them how to teach themselves. Or CCP could do it right and teach them?...
Zekain Kade BetaMax. CRONOS. 1007	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:15:00 - [13] - Quote Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Zekain Kade wrote: Someone needs to make a tutorial video for all the newberries who lurk through youtube. People need to understand, or they'll all just leave, which will cause this game to fail. We must teach them how to teach themselves. Or CCP could do it right and teach them?... Or they could just turn around, and **** everything up by adding an Auto skill system of some kind.
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:21:00 - [14] - Quote I help as many as I can in my local, just tell them to browse the marketplace. Read all currently owned skill description then read all skill descriptions and prerequisites. If you've ever played an RPG it's really not that difficult to understand the system. But I agree many will turn away because they don't get it and are to damn lazy to educate themselves and figure it out!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3190	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:43:00 - [15] - Quote There needs to be better, and mandatory tutorials. I've been worried about people not understanding this stuff for a long while.
ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 86	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:50:00 - [16] - Quote There needs to be an auto allocation for people that don't care for the RPG aspects of this game.
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 8	Posted - 2013.03.18 02:53:00 - [17] - Quote I use mostly free/cheap gear because I'm still training core skills. PG/CPU/armor/shields. Only a month old and still not done with the core skills. Also have an expensive dropship habit forming so I try to keep my isk flow positive in case I splurge every once and a while. Pesky forge gunners.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 489	Posted - 2013.03.18 03:05:00 - [18] - Quote What are skill points?
neurol forever Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 18:02:00 - [19] - Quote I-¦m newberry and although english isn-¦t my native language i know how skills and other things work. It is all about reading info about everything in game but who read something in FPS game today.
General John Ripper Killshot Corp 105	Posted - 2013.03.18 18:11:00 - [20] - Quote What are these skillpoints you speak of?

Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation 174	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:01:00 - [21] - Quote Okay wait. Hold on... I don't want to call people stupid but the system is not that hard. Poorly explained? Yes. But hard enough to not grasp the meat of it, lol, in one day? Pfft. You get SP from playing games. You spend it on skills. ._. You get ISK from playing games. You spend it on equipment. .____. Hell. The mailing system is more complex than this.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:06:00 - [22] - Quote they don't yet realize that only level 5 skills matter.
Alcare Xavier Golden DUST University Ivy League 93	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:16:00 - [23] - Quote I don't think it's so much they can't figure out the skill system as much as they haven't figured out what the core skills are...they think they have to specialize which is expensive but to build the ISK reserve they would need to field the specialized gear they spend most of their time in cheap fits...because they don't focus on corp skills first they can't generalize and run more generally more effective gear.
Chris F2112 Killshot Corp 1	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:27:00 - [24] - Quote The skillpoint system is extremely complex when starting out. The fact that you start out with so many skillpoints at once also makes skillpoints seem cheap to someone who is just starting out the game, so they don't really pay as much attention to where they put them. Misplacing those can put you a week behind another starting player who knows what they are doing. The amount of information thrown at a player right when they begin is overwhelming. I know I left for several weeks just after starting because I had no idea what the heck was going on. Now that I realize what is happening, I really like the game and see incredible potential for it's future. The fact that there are so many players who don't know how to get better gear is a show of the failure of the tutorials. I know I fell into the same problem when I was starting out, getting Vehicle Command level 5 before I even knew what I was buying.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1699	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:32:00 - [25] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: The skillpoint system is extremely complex when starting out. The fact that you start out with so many skillpoints at once also makes skillpoints seem cheap to someone who is just starting out the game, so they don't really pay as much attention to where they put them. Misplacing those can put you a week behind another starting player who knows what they are doing. The amount of information thrown at a player right when they begin is overwhelming. I know I left for several weeks just after starting because I had no idea what the heck was going on. Now that I realize what is happening, I really like the game and see incredible potential for it's future. The fact that there are so many players who don't know how to get better gear is a show of the failure of the tutorials. I know I fell into the same problem when I was starting out, getting Vehicle Command level 5 before I even knew what I was buying. Eve Online had terrible tutorials when it first launched. But after multiple free updates and expansions, the tutorial system improved to the point where new capsuleers weren't as confused or overwhelmed as the last. That will be the case for Dust. Besides, tutorials are not as much of a priority compared to bigger issues like lag, glitches, etc. You just have to wait which is how CCP has operated for the past 10 years.
Chris F2112 Killshot Corp 1	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:43:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Eve Online had terrible tutorials when it first launched. But after multiple free updates and expansions, the tutorial system improved to the point where new capsuleers weren't as confused or overwhelmed as the last. That will be the case for Dust. Besides, tutorials are not as much of a priority compared to bigger issues like lag, glitches, etc. You just have to wait which is how CCP has operated for the past 10 years. I'd assume that is the case as well, and I agree that there are bigger problems to solve. I merely meant to point out that better tutorials need to be a priority for the release of the game, especially this being free to play. Players who haven't spent any money on a game won't feel nearly as compelled to learn a complex system as those who have just dropped money on a game, and may miss out on a great game because of it.
Judge Rhadamanthus Shining Flame Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:43:00 - [27] - Quote I have 2 800 000 skill points. I have weaponry level 3 Sharpshooter level 2 Level one lazer Rifle And that is it as far as weapons infantry goes. I use cheap shuits because I'm a pilot. Dropships take a lot os SP and cost a lot of ISK. I fight on the ground and do okay but nothing special. I lose MANY fights due to being out geared by proper inf soilders. So some of us crappy geared players are playing off-role for cash and sp. But I agree that most have no clue. I joined at the start of Beta. But my character is not very old. I deleted at least 6 characters after putting quite a lot of time into them because I made mistakes while going into the sp. Trying things out, realisingI forgot to get the pre-reqs etc. BUT I din not find the tuts or the tree to tricky. I rate it the same as many games. New game, new tree, new interface. Takes a few minutes to read, listen and you can get it down quite easily. Skyrim for example. Odd at first but a few minutes later and a few characters later... GOLDEN.
The REVerand Sullivan ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:50:00 - [28] - Quote haha, I've been playing seen the E3 build but I still use militia dropsuits, because I'm busy spending my SP on weaponry instead of dropsuits
Shutter Fly Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 42	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:57:00 - [29] - Quote I don't see this as stupidity, I see it as laziness and general negligence of the tools provided in game. Almost everything I know about the game has been quite easily deduced by simply looking at things. What's a x3 skill and a x1 skill? I just found a x3 skill whose description referred to a type of module I wanted and I upgraded it. I looked at the SP needed for the next level and thought "hey, it's more than the x1 skill, in fact, it's exactly 3 times what it is for the x1 skill. I guess that's what those numbers mean." People are often confused about skills like Shield Boost Systems. I went to the market, went to dropsuit modules, then shield modules, and didn't see anything related. I then saw the vehicle modules section, and decided to check there. Sure enough, I found them in the vehicle module section. So, I quickly realized that I wouldn't need that skill, because infantry don't have that type of module. So, I didn't get it. This process went on over and over again, and I figured out everything myself. I didn't really have a choice, because in the early closed beta, nobody knew. Nobody was completely sure of how all the module boosts were calculated, or how skills were applied, so I figured it out for myself. All it takes is some objective thought and a little arithmetic. Tutorials wouldn't hurt, but don't go saying it's because the system is too complicated, because it isn't. The only reason people aren't getting it is because they are lazy and impatient. All of the framework is there, if they were willing to spend a little time in menus and make a few intelligent connections they wouldn't be having any problems.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 736	Posted - 2013.03.18 20:03:00 - [30] - Quote Well initially it can be a little daunting for NEW players. We all have multiple builds behind us so we have a grasp on it. To newer players it's like Shield Boost Shield Control Shield Enhancement? They eventually get their head wrapped around it after making some questionable upgrades.

copy left BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 59	Posted - 2013.03.18 20:10:00 - [31] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: Most of them have been stuck in milita gear for ages now. They're mostly using starter fits, which means they would probably have a ** load of ISK saved up for better gear, yet we never see them run anything higher then milita, or standard. Do they not know how to use the skill book system? or do they think they can just do well by just sticking with the starter fits, and save every ISk they gather? I mean, what use is all that ISk if you're never going to use it? They all lock themselves in ** gear, while the competent players upgrade, and pubstomp with avd/ proto gear. They would all be far more deadly if they just used something better then their starter fits. Do you even skill point bro?
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N 27	Posted - 2013.03.18 21:29:00 - [32] - Quote As a newberry I still run around in Type 1 Sever dropsuit with a Standard weapon and militia modules. This is because I am still building up my passive skills I.e shield boost and control, field mechanics, weaponry etc. I have only just reached the point where I am looking to level up my logistics dropsuit from level 1 to 4, because I want to use the B Series suit. But before I would use this suit I would also want to be able to put complex shields and Armor on as well as advanced weapons etc. Which means skilling into all those skills as well. Until then I will stick with low level suits because if I put an advanced weapon on a type 1 suit it is basically just throwing away Isk. It is the same for the suit. Until you can put advanced gear/modules on it you would be to weak to compete with those who have balanced their dropsuits. Unfortunately it just takes time but in 9 weeks I should have what I would consider a basic but good advanced fit. Admittedly I could get there a lot faster if I focused just on the suit and one weapon but I like to be well rounded so there are all the light weapon skill, sensor skill, and vigor and endurance etc.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 2	Posted - 2013.03.18 22:37:00 - [33] - Quote I know how to use SP and spend ISK and run constantly with Militia gear and am hoarding ISK. Why would I waste ISK on lousy-mediocre gear that I lose as soon as I quickly drop dead because my character is as tough as a wet paper towel? I don't know about the experienced vets, but the tutorials don't explain the ideal path of spending SP and ISK, so if you just go about your thing and then realize you only need, hm, a couple of million SP to actually use all the effective gear you wantGÇöand that's only the baseline if you want to specializeGÇöthere really is no point in buying the low/mid-tier gear. You don't really make a lot more ISK if you win an instant battle or not, and you save a lot if you just run with gear that's for free which leaves you a lot to spare for donating to the corp or buying the admittedly very expensive skillbooks and expensive gear that's actually good and that helps you survive your combat better. IMHO the skills and equipment are a catch-22 where only the really top-tier gear is statistically really worth it, and only worth it because you're skilled up properly for it as well, or alternatively just rolling with the militia gear and spending pretty much bupkis until then.
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 459	Posted - 2013.03.18 22:48:00 - [34] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: I'm sure there is some who have absolutely no idea about the skills or upgrading, but I think most are just playing it safe by using low-risk suits and getting their ISK up while they learn the game and get comfortable with it. I did this as well when I first started, then I grew out of it and now run about the best I can 100% of the time. ISK is no problem, I play lots of ambush (which are quick matches) and usually get ~250k a match. Even running my top-end gear all the time, I have about 71 million ISK at this point. You ( and those who relate to your results) are exceptions to the rule. That, or I am an exception to the rule because I tend to get around 175k/avg and I fluctuate between 500k and 2mil bankroll. Only CCp know the true average and means of sp/isk gain. And they're not talking. So, I am an ignorant blewb who can't fps or you are striking well above the baseline. But truly, neither of us really know where that baseline is.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 497	Posted - 2013.03.18 23:10:00 - [35] - Quote a suprisingly large amount of them either don't know to or don't wanna spend the time it takes to skill up. the first thing i do in any game that has a skill system is look it over, it suprises me ppl try to avoid this. i had to talk my friend into spending his points, he's a black ops player. the other problem is players just dont like to read. my friend was like "i dont wanna read all that stuff" im like. bro... yea he's a typical black ops fan.


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