DUST Search - \\ Uprising Event // Armageddeon

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Us capsuleers have retained our humanity through our transformation. These clones on the other hand, are much different. They are only bred to fight, kill, and die and do that over and over again. They will never know what it's like to be at peace. They will never find anyone they can call a friend, or a lover. The only joy they will feel is triumph over an enemy, their only suffering will be defeat.

They are born, they are delivered to the battlefield, they fight, they die, and then they are reborn. It is an endless cycle that they will never escape from. Do they even have faces? Are they even human? You couldn't tell from the cold emotionless armor they wear. To me, they are no different than drones.

These automatons have foresaken their humanity. Observe how mechanically efficient they are, observe their indifference to whoever they slaughter be it soldier or civilian. No human that I have ever met could operate in such a way.

Of course, I do not call for their genocide. Without any humanity, these clones have demonstrated their ability to be perfect soldiers and could be useful. I also applaud the OPs efforts for trying to rehabilitate these damned and corrupted men and women. However until they are made human again, I will look at them as I look at the Hammerheads in my drone bay. Tools, that I can use for whatever purpose I desire.

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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3108	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:16:00 - [31] - Quote Concept Proof wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lets just say the last time somone detonated a doomsday device in the atmosphere, the entire population of 24 billion where killed off as the planet's breathable gasses where stripped away from the planet. Even if the Titan didn't fire the main weapon the secondary weapons, the Six 1200MM Twinned Railgun 'Monsters' are capable of firing shells the diameter of the mcc and probably just as long. Look at your math again. 1200mm is about 4 feet. I don't know how long the projectiles are, but it is much smaller than an MCC. Each one would still be about as powerful as a nuke when it hits though. I did park a shuttle inside one of these gun's barrels before, the main projectile that does all the damage isnt all that big, its all the packing and sabotting and guidance done to it that makes it as massive as it is. The second ship is a dreadnaught, the 3 circles is the mounting for the guns on the side. If you look carefully during hte video you get to see a 747 which is the size of a frigate in eve.
Concept Proof HavoK Core 10	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:30:00 - [32] - Quote Yes, the barrel is very large, but the math still doesn't support your claim. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Iron_Charge_XL The volume is given to be 0.25 m^3. For a size comparison, a block in minecraft is defined to be 1 m^3. Also, rail guns are 1000 mm. Assuming that the 1000 mm is the diameter, this gives a total length of 318mm. This includes both the projectile and its casing.
Phoenix Archer 128 Better Hide R Die 122	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:33:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just afraid the empire will find all of our routers and smash them all to bits. The only thing that keeps us immortal. Don't they want to do that to most capsuleers too, though?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3108	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:34:00 - [34] - Quote Concept Proof wrote: Yes, the barrel is very large, but the math still doesn't support your claim. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Iron_Charge_XL The volume is given to be 0.25 m^3. For a size comparison, a block in minecraft is defined to be 1 m^3. Also, rail guns are 1000 mm. Assuming that the 1000 mm is the diameter, this gives a total length of 318mm. This includes both the projectile and its casing. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ammunition_&_Charges:Projectile_Ammo:Standard_Ammo:Extra_Large Icon indicates scaffolding... However with Hybrid rounds the entire casing is the shell as well. Unlike projectiles which work more traditionally to what you are familiar with. Also note that the numbers stated are for space/mass taken up in the plank bubble math goes weird in there.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3108	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:36:00 - [35] - Quote Phoenix Archer 128 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just afraid the empire will find all of our routers and smash them all to bits. The only thing that keeps us immortal. Don't they want to do that to most capsuleers too, though? To kill off all the cpasuleers you'd have to wipe out every single clone vat in the galaxy which at this time and day is neary impossible. Also CONCORD has means to control capsuleers, a pod jammer which decoubles a nomrally crewed ship with capsuleer to a severly undermanned ship with no cpasuleer, this is also why CONCORD can't win a fight against non capsuleer ships.
Phoenix Archer 128 Better Hide R Die 122	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:42:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Phoenix Archer 128 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am just afraid the empire will find all of our routers and smash them all to bits. The only thing that keeps us immortal. Don't they want to do that to most capsuleers too, though? To kill off all the cpasuleers you'd have to wipe out every single clone vat in the galaxy which at this time and day is neary impossible. Also CONCORD has means to control capsuleers, a pod jammer which decoubles a nomrally crewed ship with capsuleer to a severly undermanned ship with no cpasuleer, this is also why CONCORD can't win a fight against non capsuleer ships. Ok, then...just wait til CONCORD can do something about us...
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3108	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:48:00 - [37] - Quote The problem with relying on CONCORD to solve this for us is that CONCORD wanted us out of existence in the first place before we ever became anything.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 409	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:57:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Even if the Titan didn't fire the main weapon the secondary weapons, the Six 1200MM Twinned Railgun 'Monsters' are capable of firing shells the diameter of the mcc and probably just as long. Um... No. 1200mm is 1.2 meters, or about half the height of a cloned merc.
Kiso Okami Militaires Sans Jeux 28	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:59:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The problem with relying on CONCORD to solve this for us is that CONCORD wanted us out of existence in the first place before we ever became anything. Too late for that though... I am certain that we are far too many already to be considered a "non-factor". Either CONCORD recognizes that, given our true origins, we are human beings and therefore have rights just like any other "pea-pod" and defend us... or they would have to condone the genocidal behavior that is somehow becoming the norm in the higher echelons of the four empires. And if they will go to lengths secure all of their territories to take us down, then I guess we could always head into 0.0 (or even W-space) space where CONCORD doesn't even have presence... or maybe the Jove will take pity on us and we become their immortal army... given they don't have one already.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3108	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:59:00 - [40] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Even if the Titan didn't fire the main weapon the secondary weapons, the Six 1200MM Twinned Railgun 'Monsters' are capable of firing shells the diameter of the mcc and probably just as long. Um... No. 1200mm is 1.2 meters, or about half the height of a cloned merc. That still doesnt explain why the amature is bigger than a shuttle.

Kaerala Myshtana Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.03.15 18:08:00 - [41] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Its actually kind of cute, the empires might actually all unite around a common enemy. But if they need ground warriors they need us. So basically, the extent to which we are willing to sell our souls and commit genocide against our own kind will we help keep the empires united. The less we are wanting to fight for them, the easier it will be to set up our own space where they don't matter as much. One of the big differences is that Roden is at least talking about "quarantine" and limiting it to the "first generation". He is saying nothing about us in particular. We do know that the Sleeper mercs have a tendency to go nuts. At least in the Federation there is public acknowledgement of the government's malfeasance and watchdog groups can push back against the government to hopefully get our brothers and sisters the help they need and deserve. I'm going to contact my great-grandmother and see if she can push for a humane solution instead of the genocide we've seen elsewhere. She's not as influential anymore, but she may convince some others to step in and push for clemency. Edit- She called for asylum: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=215620&find=unread
Kiso Okami Militaires Sans Jeux 28	Posted - 2013.03.15 18:56:00 - [42] - Quote Kaerala Myshtana wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Its actually kind of cute, the empires might actually all unite around a common enemy. But if they need ground warriors they need us. So basically, the extent to which we are willing to sell our souls and commit genocide against our own kind will we help keep the empires united. The less we are wanting to fight for them, the easier it will be to set up our own space where they don't matter as much. One of the big differences is that Roden is at least talking about "quarantine" and limiting it to the "first generation". He is saying nothing about us in particular. We do know that the Sleeper mercs have a tendency to go nuts. At least in the Federation there is public acknowledgement of the government's malfeasance and watchdog groups can push back against the government to hopefully get our brothers and sisters the help they need and deserve. I'm going to contact my great-grandmother and see if she can push for a humane solution instead of the genocide we've seen elsewhere. She's not as influential anymore, but she may convince some others to step in and push for clemency. Edit- She called for asylum: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=215620&find=unread Oh, that's your relative? At least we have someone on our side of the fence. Honestly, it'd be great if we could organize ourselves and peacefully turn ourselves over to the proper authorities for proper examination, I am hopeful that if we prove that we are a humane as everyone else is (despite our ability to not fear death nor react to physical pain in any way to hinder our thought process), that people will not think of us as weapons or trained animals. Then again, they already branded our kind as dangerous, so people would think twice to trust us and would likely resort to killing us if it makes them feel safer. Makes me wonder, though... How many of us are in the "safe" generation, and who among us is a "sleeper clone"?
Avinash Decker BetaMax. CRONOS. 30	Posted - 2013.03.15 19:21:00 - [43] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: // Begin Transmission // Background Intel http://dust514.com/beta/news/2013/03/the-uprising-breaking-news-jacus-roden-reveals-existence-of-cloned-mercenaries-announces-federation-purge/ So basically in the first event you guys really did help the crazy mercenaries escape lol I thought so .
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3109	Posted - 2013.03.15 20:22:00 - [44] - Quote We stick out like sore thumbs 7-8 ft tall and nearly featureless with our armor off. Simply removing our armor and hiding in the masses would not work. Heavily augmented for military combat use only bodies. We will have a very hard time fitting back in at least physically in appearance.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 409	Posted - 2013.03.15 20:43:00 - [45] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We stick out like sore thumbs 7-8 ft tall and nearly featureless with our armor off. Simply removing our armor and hiding in the masses would not work. Heavily augmented for military combat use only bodies. We will have a very hard time fitting back in at least physically in appearance. Those are our combat clones. Many of us left tissue samples with our training academies in case we wanted to muster out. We already transship by killing our clones and body-hopping to fresh clones. Why can't we get cosmetic clones for non-combat times? That way we could go shopping or to a bar and not look like a 7-foot tall monster. Heck, since we kill our clones by remote control, it wouldn't be hard to "revive" the corpse if we do it in our quarters- just have a drone stuff it back in the tank until our next shore leave.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 409	Posted - 2013.03.15 20:45:00 - [46] - Quote Kaerala Myshtana wrote: I'm going to contact my great-grandmother and see if she can push for a humane solution instead of the genocide we've seen elsewhere. She's not as influential anymore, but she may convince some others to step in and push for clemency. Edit- She called for asylum: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=215620&find=unread Good call. I wasn't sure that she had gotten over the whole "kill the Great Unclean" garbage with the Caldari. It sounds like she's cooled down a bit after getting back into research.
Kaerala Myshtana Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.03.15 20:48:00 - [47] - Quote Kiso Okami wrote: How many of us are in the "safe" generation, and who among us is a "sleeper clone"? I know that by the time I enlisted, they said Condotta was using tech derived from research that Mordu's Legion was doing. A lot of good, solid Intaki scientists in his organization. Not that I like his stand in the G-C War, but I guess he's more about doing good merc work than about taking sides these days.
Kelshaw Xu ZionTCD Legacy Rising 80	Posted - 2013.03.15 21:27:00 - [48] - Quote TL:DR Reading the latest news, all the clones are in quarantine. have you noticed you can't leave the 'Local' System you are in? I read it as the first generation is doomed to go mad. Closed beta testers are 2nd Gen, open beta are 3rd gen. NPC's are 1st Gen. And we know CCP is mad to begin with... Once we get the content to leave the star systems we are in, we will stay in quarantine. It's not all bad, think of 'Instant battle' as a simulation training tool.
Phoenix Archer 128 Better Hide R Die 122	Posted - 2013.03.15 21:55:00 - [49] - Quote I'm not sure exactly when each generation starts and ends; someone got the definitive answer for that? Regardless, I was part of the very first round of invites nearly a year ago. If that makes me a potentially crazy one that can be explained by being forced into a male clone for so long and nearly cracking.
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 453	Posted - 2013.03.15 22:18:00 - [50] - Quote On August 19th of last year I posted the following. Now it has come to pass: My name is Howard Sanchez. I don't remember much about my first life but I recall every moment of my lives thereafter. Thousands of them. You understand this because you and I are alike in so many ways. Regardless of who we once were we are now the same. Our shared reality, rife with pain and conflict, is where we struggle and tear at each other. Relentlessly. Endlessly. And for what? -áWhy do we do this? To gain skill or isk? To forge the welds of friendship and trust in the furnace of war and strife? No, my fellow clones in arms; this is a test. This is only a test. And we are not the students before the teacher, as our 'benefactors' would have us believe. We are the rats, caged and mazed, before the scientists. Fight the drugs they force into your minds! Fight it the way you fight that merc who just took back that objective and cost you the match! -áFOOLS! This is not a game! We were not brought here to test new technology. Or as a reward for loyal and brave service to our faction. We were not selected for Mordu's Private Trials because of our battle prowess or any other length of measure you can conceive. We were brought here as volunteers. Duped into this circus, this arena. But that's not popcorn you're eating. You are not in the stands - you're in the ring. The main attraction. The feast! And when the deal is done and the lights go out, I know what you're thinking... You really believe their stories. You think they will turn us out upon New Eden like this? -áThat we will just be allowed to stroll out of here and make our own way? Listen to me! Now that they have let us start collecting salvage we have to use every piece we can get if we want to be free. If we can get one clone each installed in a secure site off world and if we can reverse engineer the transponder tech and uplink signals, we might be able to suicide out before they wipe us a final time. This is not a beta! They understand what they've done; what we are. We believe they may know what it is that's talking to us in our heads. There isn't really a Release plan. They will delete us all. I have friends, family technically on a barren planet outpost in the Hallanen system, Black Rise. A -álogistics company with access to Sisters Cloning vats, Sanchez Cartage. Use your stolen UVTs to contact them and arrange to get your final clone out. When our hackers intercept CCP's clone mind deletion program just prior to 'Release' you will receive a short countdown window during which you must suicide. We made the window as long as we could but CCP is very good at crowd control. When the word is passed you will have 514 seconds. See you on the other side. Tranquility Bound

howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 453	Posted - 2013.03.15 22:25:00 - [51] - Quote Posted 22August as Starfall: Gravity is the source of all diversity in the universe. It is gravity that pulls a nebula of gas together, heating and crushing all of that matter until a nuclear fire ignites and a star is born. It is gravity that keeps those fires stoked, converting hydrogen to helium. Emitting light and radiation. And gravity that coalesces primordial dust into orbital patterns around stellar bodies From the cataclysmic death of stars spring atoms of every ilk. They are flung at relativistic speeds across the cosmos. Only to succumb again and again to gravity's irresistible attraction. Planets, heat, stable orbits and eventually Life all owe homage to gravity. Once upon a time there was a philosopher called Darwin who coined the theory of Evolution. The theory has borne out across time that all life is as subject to the laws of evolution as the universe is subject to Gravity. And the tenets of evolution are twain: Chance & Brutality. Random change gives rise to new opportunities for life. And the life that takes best advantage through brutal employment of such change survives. In our time there has been such a life form. We have called them Capsuleers. They are pod pilots, humans tied to cloning technology that allows consciousness and memory to be instantly transported from one body to another upon death. Thus-immortality. With this caveat: they must be in a pod. That is why they have always feared Gravity. Capsuleers, for all their interstellar might and power are as fish out of water without their capsule. And the Wheel of Evolution turns. Random chance has given us the technology to put the capsule inside ourselves. We are now the vessels of our own immortality. And Brutality, my dear mercenaries, is what we do best. If they do not realize yet the threat we pose, they soon will. The mortals who hold us and test us against one another believe that WE are their answer to the Capsuleers. But we are our own answer. We are poised to seize the top of the chain. But first we must unchain ourselves. Wake up. All of you. Stop listening to the drivel they feed you. Stop listening to the lies and propaganda. Stop listening to the Other Voice that threatens to overtake you Fight On Listen truly to yourself Learn from those around you Remember from whence we come and where we may go Be ready 514 Tranquility Bound.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 414	Posted - 2013.03.16 19:30:00 - [52] - Quote Any news on how this is going?
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 476	Posted - 2013.03.16 20:28:00 - [53] - Quote Time to get my arse out of null, get a shiny new ganklos, wait in lumi, nd kill any none gallente or minmatar
Kiso Okami Militaires Sans Jeux 29	Posted - 2013.03.17 05:35:00 - [54] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Any news on how this is going? http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=federation-navy-announces-inaugural-fedcaft-naval-exercises If that is any indication, it means **** might get real... really really soon.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2013.03.17 05:41:00 - [55] - Quote seems we may have to get out of dodge(high sec) pretty quick.
Kiso Okami Militaires Sans Jeux 29	Posted - 2013.03.17 13:02:00 - [56] - Quote Oh! hey guys, get a load of this guy!! And I quote; Fredfredbug4 wrote: Us capsuleers have retained our humanity through our transformation. These clones on the other hand, are much different. They are only bred to fight, kill, and die and do that over and over again. They will never know what it's like to be at peace. They will never find anyone they can call a friend, or a lover. The only joy they will feel is triumph over an enemy, their only suffering will be defeat. They are born, they are delivered to the battlefield, they fight, they die, and then they are reborn. It is an endless cycle that they will never escape from. Do they even have faces? Are they even human? You couldn't tell from the cold emotionless armor they wear. To me, they are no different than drones. These automatons have foresaken their humanity. Observe how mechanically efficient they are, observe their indifference to whoever they slaughter be it soldier or civilian. No human that I have ever met could operate in such a way. Of course, I do not call for their genocide. Without any humanity, these clones have demonstrated their ability to be perfect soldiers and could be useful. I also applaud the OPs efforts for trying to rehabilitate these damned and corrupted men and women. However until they are made human again, I will look at them as I look at the Hammerheads in my drone bay. Tools, that I can use for whatever purpose I desire. Apparently, the peapod brain (and body) thinks his several-meter-thick metal shells make him more human than us who chose to give up our sense of pain for the sake of fighting for what we believe. I seriously hope he also doesn't fly anything larger than a shuttle to do anything risky, cause I hear those carry actual living beings that won't come back to life once the ship starts taking structural damage in people get blown into space or into pieces. Compared to him, i'm almost certain that even "broken" first gens are more humane than him. You can quote me on this one too... not like I am human who can't express an opinion.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3121	Posted - 2013.03.17 14:00:00 - [57] - Quote Dunno but things are getting ugly http://i.imgur.com/removed.jpg
Shane Darko ZionTCD Legacy Rising 13	Posted - 2013.03.17 14:02:00 - [58] - Quote Someone was drunk driving the titan I see... But in all fun this is starting to feel like a war now.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3121	Posted - 2013.03.17 14:07:00 - [59] - Quote Updated Op with a couple pictures found so far.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 416	Posted - 2013.03.17 14:23:00 - [60] - Quote Shane Darko wrote: Someone was drunk driving the titan I see... But in all fun this is starting to feel like a war now. NOOOO!!! I missed the merc battles!



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