DUST Search - Why all the tank hate?

Ignoble Son wrote:

Justin Tymes wrote:

Ignoble Son wrote:

Justin Tymes wrote:

I call BS. In Skirmish they aren't too bad, but tanks dictate the flow of the match in Ambush, simply because of how small the map is, and the lack of objectives.

Tanks force you to do one of 3 things in Ambush:

-Retreat, lose positioning on a small map, and risk being pincered.
-Dedicate a squad just to make one retreat (assuming the tank user isn't stupid)
-Die horribly

This is compounded by the fact that a majority of Ambush players barely know how to deal with Infantry, much less a tank. Add on Orbitals to kill off any momentum the opposition may gain for the lols.

I quite enjoy killing tanks in ambushes... Expensive well fit tanks... Singlehandedly a good deal of the time. There is nothing more satisfying in this game IMO.

Once again I am baffled by this line of reasoning

Don't care how good you are, you're not soloing competent tank users(as you shouldn't, because they're tanks).

Tanks deny a wide area in such a small map, and force you to use equipment that are useless against the standard infantry to maintain that area, which means you need cover fire, and you also risk being overrun by organized squads while dealing with them. Since the objective to to kill the opposition, this provides a massive advantage to one side assuming both teams are equally skilled, but you also have to take into consideration alot of the players you're partnered up with in Ambush simply don't know how to handle them(I'm not the best player, but it's not rare to see people shooting at shielded, healthy tanks with ARs What?

). All you can do is retreat to a safe place and watch them die until the reserves are depleted.

Then you're calling me a lier, is that it?

So then a truly competent tank driver would be one that has never lost a tank. And it is impossible to take out an "expesive, well fit" tank singlehandedly. And all well fit tanks have competent drivers. And competent drivers never make mistakes or bite off more than they can chew, or happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Just making sure I've got this all right. I'm taking notes. Roll

Proxy, proxy, proxy. AV nade, AV nade, AV nade. Swarm, Swarm.

And that's how it's done.

I've actually soloed well fit shield tanks with nothing but flux nades and a massdriver. The most important thing involved in soloing tanks is to have a well thought out plan, and to make proper use of the environment, and know when and when not to strike. You can pick a lot of this up from fist hand experience as a driver.


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Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.13 13:23:00 - [1] - Quote I call BS. In Skirmish they aren't too bad, but tanks dictate the flow of the match in Ambush, simply because of how small the map is, and the lack of objectives. Tanks force you to do one of 3 things in Ambush: -Retreat, lose positioning on a small map, and risk being pincered. -Dedicate a squad just to make one retreat (assuming the tank user isn't stupid) -Die horribly This is compounded by the fact that a majority of Ambush players barely know how to deal with Infantry, much less a tank. Add on Orbitals to kill off any momentum the opposition may gain for the lols.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.13 14:15:00 - [2] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: I call BS. In Skirmish they aren't too bad, but tanks dictate the flow of the match in Ambush, simply because of how small the map is, and the lack of objectives. Tanks force you to do one of 3 things in Ambush: -Retreat, lose positioning on a small map, and risk being pincered. -Dedicate a squad just to make one retreat (assuming the tank user isn't stupid) -Die horribly This is compounded by the fact that a majority of Ambush players barely know how to deal with Infantry, much less a tank. Add on Orbitals to kill off any momentum the opposition may gain for the lols. I quite enjoy killing tanks in ambushes... Expensive well fit tanks... Singlehandedly a good deal of the time. There is nothing more satisfying in this game IMO. Once again I am baffled by this line of reasoning Don't care how good you are, you're not soloing competent tank users(as you shouldn't, because they're tanks). Tanks deny a wide area in such a small map, and force you to use equipment that are useless against the standard infantry to maintain that area, which means you need cover fire, and you also risk being overrun by organized squads while dealing with them. Since the objective to to kill the opposition, this provides a massive advantage to one side assuming both teams are equally skilled, but you also have to take into consideration alot of the players you're partnered up with in Ambush simply don't know how to handle them(I'm not the best player, but it's not rare to see people shooting at shielded, healthy tanks with ARs). All you can do is retreat to a safe place and watch them die until the reserves are depleted.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:24:00 - [3] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: I call BS. In Skirmish they aren't too bad, but tanks dictate the flow of the match in Ambush, simply because of how small the map is, and the lack of objectives. Tanks force you to do one of 3 things in Ambush: -Retreat, lose positioning on a small map, and risk being pincered. -Dedicate a squad just to make one retreat (assuming the tank user isn't stupid) -Die horribly This is compounded by the fact that a majority of Ambush players barely know how to deal with Infantry, much less a tank. Add on Orbitals to kill off any momentum the opposition may gain for the lols. I quite enjoy killing tanks in ambushes... Expensive well fit tanks... Singlehandedly a good deal of the time. There is nothing more satisfying in this game IMO. Once again I am baffled by this line of reasoning Don't care how good you are, you're not soloing competent tank users(as you shouldn't, because they're tanks). Tanks deny a wide area in such a small map, and force you to use equipment that are useless against the standard infantry to maintain that area, which means you need cover fire, and you also risk being overrun by organized squads while dealing with them. Since the objective to to kill the opposition, this provides a massive advantage to one side assuming both teams are equally skilled, but you also have to take into consideration alot of the players you're partnered up with in Ambush simply don't know how to handle them(I'm not the best player, but it's not rare to see people shooting at shielded, healthy tanks with ARs). All you can do is retreat to a safe place and watch them die until the reserves are depleted. Then you're calling me a lier, is that it? So then a truly competent tank driver would be one that has never lost a tank. And it is impossible to take out an "expesive, well fit" tank singlehandedly. And all well fit tanks have competent drivers. And competent drivers never make mistakes or bite off more than they can chew, or happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just making sure I've got this all right. I'm taking notes. Proxy, proxy, proxy. AV nade, AV nade, AV nade. Swarm, Swarm. And that's how it's done. I've actually soloed well fit shield tanks with nothing but flux nades and a massdriver. The most important thing involved in soloing tanks is to have a well thought out plan, and to make proper use of the environment, and know when and when not to strike. You can pick a lot of this up from fist hand experience as a driver. I never said competent tank users would never lose a tank. Competent tank users don't get solo'd by a lone intrantry unit . Competent tank users will either kill you, retreat to cover from the team, or at the very least drive away until their shields come back up. If you're soloing a "well fit shield tank", then the tank users weren't competent.