DUST Search - Dust514-EVE ISK transfer balancing

The dark cloud wrote:

Well the more this game is progressing the more it becomes obvious that having a friend in eve could be beneficial. Im talking about ISK transfer between both games. Well here some background for those who joined in the open beta:
during the closed beta there was a option to actually transfer ISK from Eve to Dust514. This caused for a short time a insane inbalance cause there was no limit on how much ISK could be transfered. But it was aswell interesting to see the impact on dust (this all happend on the Sisi server). The devs stated that this was not intended at that point (yet) cause the market was not playerdriven at that stage of the beta. However this function was there and if something was there then i have to assume that we will encounter it again at some point. My problem is that a guy in eve could drop billions of ISK to his dust char and be aible to allways afford the best gear avaible. In my opinion there should be a limitation on how much ISK you can transfer from Eve to dust. I was thinking of around 15-20 million per week and then rise the limit slowly. Other people suggested high TAX rate like 90% but that would be silly cause Dust ISK=Eve ISK. Same currency in the same universe. And to avoid a "workaround" like giving multiple chars like 15-20 million ISK each and then transfering on dust to each other i would suggest to have this limit not applied to the dust merc itself more like to the whole account.


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Midas Man ll Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance 55	Posted - 2013.03.13 09:19:00 - [1] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Well the more this game is progressing the more it becomes obvious that having a friend in eve could be beneficial. Im talking about ISK transfer between both games. Well here some background for those who joined in the open beta: during the closed beta there was a option to actually transfer ISK from Eve to Dust514. This caused for a short time a insane inbalance cause there was no limit on how much ISK could be transfered. But it was aswell interesting to see the impact on dust (this all happend on the Sisi server). The devs stated that this was not intended at that point (yet) cause the market was not playerdriven at that stage of the beta. However this function was there and if something was there then i have to assume that we will encounter it again at some point. My problem is that a guy in eve could drop billions of ISK to his dust char and be aible to allways afford the best gear avaible. In my opinion there should be a limitation on how much ISK you can transfer from Eve to dust. I was thinking of around 15-20 million per week and then rise the limit slowly. Other people suggested high TAX rate like 90% but that would be silly cause Dust ISK=Eve ISK. Same currency in the same universe. And to avoid a "workaround" like giving multiple chars like 15-20 million ISK each and then transfering on dust to each other i would suggest to have this limit not applied to the dust merc itself more like to the whole account. Whats to stop "Random Eve Corp" setting up a contract for against "Random Eve alt Corp" for control of a planet using mercenaries, offing the "Random Dust Corp" 100 billion ISK to take control of X area on X planet in X system that is currently controlled by "Random Dust alt Corp". Obviously "Random Dust alt Corp" would also be in my pay and would turn up with 1 player and hide in the red line. Once "Random Eve Corp" control X area on X planet in X system a new contract is set up for 100 billion ISK, this time the reverse happens. now my 2 dust corps are super rich through gaming contracts between themselves. No risk major reward. This is just off the top of my head, but basically, nothing will stop DUSTers getting super rich from Eve folk. You will see the same player driven market prices. ie All useless mods will be cheap as chips - around base value of the component part if manufacturing is introduced to Dust items, if not they will crash well below NPC price as people sell for whatever they can get on the market. Lots of super rich player will be fighting over the few usefull officer mods and like in eve these will become super expensive toys for rich folk to play with and cry over losing. Some of the top end officer mods in eve go for multiple billion ISK each. So your "Krins Super charge extra awesom merc desintergrator" (made up item) will cost 10 billion if some rich boy wants to pay this much for a weapon that give him 1 extra dmg per shot over the "Krins Not so Super charge extra awesom merc desintergrator" that cost 50k ISK. Then so be it the extra dmg wont be worth extra cost apart from those that can afford it and dont mind wasting it. If you not a rich corp supported by a rich eve corp you aint going to be battling over the "best" planets. Those that are rich will. If you cannot afford to lose it dont wear it and wear something you can afford. no point going officer fit against random reds in random battles. But if you are a top corp against another top corp expect to wear and lose millions/billions in fits trying to control that planet (all depends on plantet value, if planet is worth nothing to noone then battles wont happen. If its worth 10 k then militia fit. if its worth millions spend thousands etc. There is no issue here.
Midas Man ll Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance 60	Posted - 2013.03.13 14:29:00 - [2] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Yea, this is a pretty good list and is a small portion of the list we have internally. Would it be a better idea to not worry about isk issues and leave them to the player driven market like in eve, just restrict Pub matches to meta 5 or below, hell even Meta 3 and below. This way new players and "Action Man" heros will have somewhere to go, where they cannot be red lined by isk whoring eve pilots like myself. Then the faction warfare/0.0 stuff when implemented can be left to those with ISK as this will be the deciding factor anyway and not much ways to avoid it.
Midas Man ll Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance 60	Posted - 2013.03.13 14:41:00 - [3] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: lol i can allready see that eve pilots need to pay 1 billion+ to deploy us properly into a match. Which isnt going to happen unless the reward for wining 1 zone, holding 1 zone on a planet rewards billions, which isn't going to happen without causing issues on the isk balance/inflation eve side. ie, If i need to pay a Dust corp 1 billion to win a zone, thats 6 billions to win a planet + however many billion i will need to defend that planet from however many attacks are thrown at me. Now if that needs to happen on all 10+ planets in each system the alliance in Eve wants to own, then it sounds like something that is out of reach for all but the biggest alliances and maybe too much for them if they are getting attacked alot.