i think the balance right now is the best it's ever been. tanks are not invincible, merely hard to kill and shouldn't they be? they're tanks. me and some blue dots brought down a sagaris yesterday all we had was one forge and 2 swarms. because something is hard to kill doesn't make it OP it's just hard to kill. i lose suryas fairly regularly and madragars as well.

you must realize that "regularly" is different for tankers than infantry, our mortality rate isn't as high but it hurts more when we die. when i lose a surya i lose 1,450,000 isk that's roughly 7 games profits. unless that tank survives 7 matches it isn't worth the cost. similarly my madragar cost 3 matches earnings. as it is a surya will last me a day (roughly 9 matches, or 90ish minutes.). and for that time i have an insane KD and make mad isk.

however what happens when i'm not in a tank playing god? i'm about as effective as a straight off the MCC blueberry. unless i find a good blaster install i'm useless. i'll fall somewhere halfway up the list and you wont notice i even exist... untill i call down shiva destroyer of worlds to wreck your day that is.

the difference between you and i then is perhaps that i get my isk in sporadic bursts and you get yours evenly over a long period of time.

personally i would be insulted if CCP screwed up the fine balance they're created.

True, LAV's are easy to take out. Tanks, however, are definitely OP. Not trolling so sit on it and spin.

Coming from an LAV driver: nerf anti-armor. Any scrub with militia/standard AV can take out a decent LAV fit.

as a dropship pilot and advanced swarm user i have to agree with this, AV and tanks health are in a good place right now, a well fitted tank is hard to kill as it should be, while any form of AV is a threat to vehicles.

Tanks are OP. It takes no skill for some nubcake to accrue SP and sit in a tank and spawn kill. It's unbalanced when the tank is practically invincible. The "anti-armor" kit should be renamed "fly swatter" cuz that's about all it's good for.

Yeah, I'd get really bored and my prey would quickly vanish if I could two shot every tank/DS out there with my 9K330 FG. One needs to appreciate the time, SP, and ISK drivers invest in their vehicles just as the good drivers appreciate the time, SP, and ISK I invest in my AV fit. Trust me, the tension we feel when we see a tank drop in is the same tension they feel when they see anything AV coming their way.

My suggestion is buff OR nerf.

I don't think skills should all have to be lvl 5 to pose a threat to a tank. Not saying we should be able to solo it, but it is overpowered. To me it cheapens the whole shooter experience to be so dependent on waiting for high level gear. Some kind of functionality needs to be available to people who have chosen to specialize in something besides AV.

Yeah, I'd get really bored and my prey would quickly vanish if I could two shot every tank/DS out there with my 9K330 FG. One needs to appreciate the time, SP, and ISK drivers invest in their vehicles just as the good drivers appreciate the time, SP, and ISK I invest in my AV fit. Trust me, the tension we feel when we see a tank drop in is the same tension they feel when they see anything AV coming their way.

Alright, sounds like I just got an edu-mah-cation. Will have to do some leveling on AV. Thanks all for the detailed explanations.

Calm down Boz, the OP has already conceded that he should level up some AV skills instead of whining.



I agree with the several players who have said that the balance is the best it's ever been ATM. I kill anything militia pretty much solo with my advanced swarms and can take out some standard tanks solo with some decent effort but anything well fitted or well driven and it takes at least one other AV player helping me, more if they're only using low level AV gear. Really decent tanks can survive a hell of a battering if driven well.

That said, shield tanks are really out-surviving armor these days, so something needs to be done for armor - but that's a whole other thread already happening elsewhere...

Tanks are OP. It takes no skill for some nubcake to accrue SP and sit in a tank and spawn kill. It's unbalanced when the tank is practically invincible. The "anti-armor" kit should be renamed "fly swatter" cuz that's about all it's good for.

i think the balance right now is the best it's ever been. tanks are not invincible, merely hard to kill and shouldn't they be? they're tanks. me and some blue dots brought down a sagaris yesterday all we had was one forge and 2 swarms. because something is hard to kill doesn't make it OP it's just hard to kill. i lose suryas fairly regularly and madragars as well.

you must realize that "regularly" is different for tankers than infantry, our mortality rate isn't as high but it hurts more when we die. when i lose a surya i lose 1,450,000 isk that's roughly 7 games profits. unless that tank survives 7 matches it isn't worth the cost. similarly my madragar cost 3 matches earnings. as it is a surya will last me a day (roughly 9 matches, or 90ish minutes.). and for that time i have an insane KD and make mad isk.

however what happens when i'm not in a tank playing god? i'm about as effective as a straight off the MCC blueberry. unless i find a good blaster install i'm useless. i'll fall somewhere halfway up the list and you wont notice i even exist... untill i call down shiva destroyer of worlds to wreck your day that is.

the difference between you and i then is perhaps that i get my isk in sporadic bursts and you get yours evenly over a long period of time.

personally i would be insulted if CCP screwed up the fine balance they're created.