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Washlee UnReaL. 133	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:18:00 - [1] - Quote Now we all die from time to time. When people level up they get good gear. When you get good gear that cost alot of money. When it cost alot of money you don't like dying When you die you rage When you rage your wife/mom bitches at you. Don't get bitched at But its come to my attention Im getting to that state where my suits are costing alot of money. So I do through alittle fit when I die. I know people with full proto gear and run this stuff in pub matches to try a stomp the little scrubys , and if they die maybe 2 - 3 times they already made negative profit. Because in Ambush you can make about 200K - 300K of ISk. Now if your dying 2-3 times and this is not alot of deaths your making negative profit. So you'll be begging for ISK towards the end. That why Im kinda scared to go into full proto gear because of money income. Even while playing Skrim you can make alot more money but still your only making if you do very very well 350 - 400K of ISK. Now alot people say save the Proto for CORP Battles. Im not super butt hurt at the moment. But its concerning me that if I run proto and my buddy is running STD or MLT he can possibly make close to what Im making every game ? Doesn't make much financial sense. There has to be some type of denomination change between money made depending on gear used. Anyone else agree of Disagree
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 309	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:21:00 - [2] - Quote Run proto in pubs.. Don't worry your survivability should outweigh the cost. That said, save the officer gear for corp battles.
Mr Pwnykins East Los Angeles 1	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:23:00 - [3] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Run proto in pubs.. Don't worry your survivability should outweigh the cost. That said, save the officer gear for corp battles. IMO, everyone should run Proto gear in pubs just to negate the pub stompers.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 155	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:23:00 - [4] - Quote Even back in August there were these sort of problems. My advice is, get good at playing with lower tech, cheaper suits. I comfortably played with 30-40k suits, had a positive KDR, helped my team out all the time, and always had profit. I'd only suggest using proto gear in corp matches if you're getting paid well.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 619	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:24:00 - [5] - Quote i have the answer,!!! don't die !!!
Washlee UnReaL. 133	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:27:00 - [6] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Run proto in pubs.. Don't worry your survivability should outweigh the cost. That said, save the officer gear for corp battles. Good point I know alot of people who only run 2 total fits (Which is honestly stupid) But those people only run those in games all the time. Now picture this Your Team You (Proto Geared) Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub A Decent player Scrub Other team Imperfects , Hell Storm , Other Protoed up corps Now you two options 1. Be the guy who backed out 2. Take your beating
Shadowswipe WarRavens 14	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:28:00 - [7] - Quote The future is expensive. That is all.
Washlee UnReaL. 133	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:28:00 - [8] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: The future is expensive. That is all. Wise Words
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 119	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:28:00 - [9] - Quote If you die in proto then you're bad and have no business holding on to your isk.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3150	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:29:00 - [10] - Quote Proto isn't meant to be financially sustainable, its suppose to be something you use in special occasions like important battles. Don't use what you can't afford to lose, so just don't use it if you think you'll die too many times.

Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 63	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:29:00 - [11] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: i have the answer,!!! don't die !!! At the moment I can run a type A but have decided against doing it anymore. I have more durability in a type 2 with a complex shield and a damage mod than 2 complex and a damage mod on a type A. It just makes more sense not to run a suit that costs more but makes you more vulnerable. That being said, don't run what you can't afford to lose....
Mr Pwnykins East Los Angeles 1	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:30:00 - [12] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: If you die in proto then you're bad and have no business holding on to your isk. Someone sounds mad they got killed by a "random"
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 119	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:31:00 - [13] - Quote Mr Pwnykins wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: If you die in proto then you're bad and have no business holding on to your isk. Someone sounds mad they got killed by a "random" All I do is afk farm SP. I literally haven't died in weeks. GOML
Mr Pwnykins East Los Angeles 1	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:32:00 - [14] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: Mr Pwnykins wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: If you die in proto then you're bad and have no business holding on to your isk. Someone sounds mad they got killed by a "random" All I do is afk farm SP. I literally haven't died in weeks. GOML I'm already above your level if all you do is AFK farm SP sir. Please, take it on the battle field?
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 309	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:33:00 - [15] - Quote Washlee wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Run proto in pubs.. Don't worry your survivability should outweigh the cost. That said, save the officer gear for corp battles. Good point I know alot of people who only run 2 total fits (Which is honestly stupid) But those people only run those in games all the time. Now picture this Your Team Enemy Team You (Proto Geared) Imperfect Scrub Imperfect Scrub Imperfect Scrub Internal Error Scrub Hell Storm x4 Scrub Other Proto geared corp Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub A Decent player Scrub Now you two options 1. Be the guy who backed out 2. Take your beating In that situation i probably wouldn't run proto gear... But definitely adv gear. Actually run proto in that circumstance..... It would give the other team at least a challenge lol
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 63	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:33:00 - [16] - Quote I love wasting Protos, my flux and Exo hold back on no one. As an unsuspecting SI learned today..... we still got our asses kicked, but I dont care, aslong as I waste an expensive assault fit.
CYRAX SERVIUS Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 34	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:35:00 - [17] - Quote It's personal choice. I took down 1 proto heavy and a proto assault in one match today. You have to balance the risk for the reward. Money pay out is based on performance, if some one loses 3 proto's, oh well. It's no different than a newer player losing 10 wellfit type 1 assault's, the risk is the same.
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 309	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:36:00 - [18] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: It's personal choice. I took down 1 proto heavy and a proto assault in one match today. You have to balance the risk for the reward. Money pay out is based on performance, if some one loses 3 proto's, oh well. It's no different than a newer player losing 10 wellfit type 1 assault's, the risk is the same. I call bs... No one is stupid enough to use proto heavy
Mr Pwnykins East Los Angeles 2	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:39:00 - [19] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: It's personal choice. I took down 1 proto heavy and a proto assault in one match today. You have to balance the risk for the reward. Money pay out is based on performance, if some one loses 3 proto's, oh well. It's no different than a newer player losing 10 wellfit type 1 assault's, the risk is the same. I call bs... No one is stupid enough to use proto heavy Maybe just a suit but not a weapon. Proto heavy suit and proto AR is deadly
CYRAX SERVIUS Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 34	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:42:00 - [20] - Quote Mr Pwnykins wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: It's personal choice. I took down 1 proto heavy and a proto assault in one match today. You have to balance the risk for the reward. Money pay out is based on performance, if some one loses 3 proto's, oh well. It's no different than a newer player losing 10 wellfit type 1 assault's, the risk is the same. I call bs... No one is stupid enough to use proto heavy Maybe just a suit but not a weapon. Proto heavy suit and proto AR is deadly that.s exactly what it was, he was already weakened, took almost 2 mags to take him down!

Gersh Raven beta Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 34	Posted - 2013.03.13 00:20:00 - [21] - Quote Just like Eve, you have to balance out your income and PvP costs. In eve you have multiple income options, in Dust we have just one. That will change in the future, but for now to you have to fight for your right to paaarrrrrrrtttyy. I run Logi and I'm not a 1337 player so I die about 4-6 times each match, and win on average about 180k isk. I use cheap or free gear if I'm lone wolfing it, advanced gear if I'm running with a good corp squad, and bring out the good stuff for corp matches or if I'm feeling brave. Eventually we'll be able to make money in different ways, be it industry or PvE. I hope one day I can send send ISK from Dve to Dust, then it will proto gear all the way.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 368	Posted - 2013.03.13 00:51:00 - [22] - Quote [quote=Washlee Now you two options 1. Be the guy who backed out 2. Take your beating[/quote] Actually, no. You have a third option: Make a cheaper fit. Seriously, you should ALWAYS have some cheap/free fits available. If you find that your team is getting steamrolled and you can't do anything about it- switch to a cheap sneaky scout and pad your WP.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries 14	Posted - 2013.03.13 00:56:00 - [23] - Quote Thats why I am getting every other useful skill imagineable before I go for proto-logi my type a suit with MD and good equipment costs 90k lol I think the cost of a proto may cause my inner skinflint to have a heart attack.
Thor Thunder Fist Better Hide R Die 84	Posted - 2013.03.13 01:50:00 - [24] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Mr Pwnykins wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: It's personal choice. I took down 1 proto heavy and a proto assault in one match today. You have to balance the risk for the reward. Money pay out is based on performance, if some one loses 3 proto's, oh well. It's no different than a newer player losing 10 wellfit type 1 assault's, the risk is the same. I call bs... No one is stupid enough to use proto heavy Maybe just a suit but not a weapon. Proto heavy suit and proto AR is deadly that.s exactly what it was, he was already weakened, took almost 2 mags to take him down! 25 bullets from the most ganked out duvolle beats the most tanked out proto heavy it did not take you 2 mags unless you missed almost 1/2
Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 141	Posted - 2013.03.13 02:07:00 - [25] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I call bs... No one is stupid enough to use proto heavy Eh. You gotta put your Gastun's on something. If you're going to run a literally priceless HMG and have the isk to spare, you might as well look like Darth Vader while you do it.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1670	Posted - 2013.03.13 02:48:00 - [26] - Quote If you think it's expensive now, wait until the market becomes player-driven, opened, and unrestricted. Say hello to 10,000,000 proto suits for me when they get that expensive. If anyone doesn't think that's possible, you only need to look at Eve Online.
Evicer Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.03.13 03:02:00 - [27] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Proto isn't meant to be financially sustainable, its suppose to be something you use in special occasions like important battles. Don't use what you can't afford to lose, so just don't use it if you think you'll die too many times. This^
Evicer Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.03.13 03:15:00 - [28] - Quote Proto Tanks/infantry.... anything is not supposed to be sustainable through pub matches the idea is that you either have back from a EVE corp that has an interest in you taking a district and that corp being one you belong too so you corp fits you out with the best gear to make that happen....or your Dust corp generates revenue which you use to outfit you/your corp mates from districts you control and the installations you have put on to these districts to generate a sustainable income. I have enough money to rock proto.....will I where it when there is 3 enemy tanks on the board in an ambust map and Im playing with blueberries......Im gonna say probably not. Its just all about risk management Some would try and goad you and say your playing ***.Thats not playing *** thats playing smart.There just trying to get you spend your money...and rage out.
Celvice Kleine THE DOLLARS 7	Posted - 2013.03.13 03:30:00 - [29] - Quote Dalton Smithe wrote: 2 complex [extenders] and a damage mod on a type A.. Why would you do such a horrible thing? I agree with Medic 1879, the smart SP investment now is in passive support skills.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2000	Posted - 2013.03.13 05:31:00 - [30] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: Washlee wrote: Now you two options 1. Be the guy who backed out 2. Take your beating Actually, no. You have a third option: Make a cheaper fit. Seriously, you should ALWAYS have some cheap/free fits available. If you find that your team is getting steamrolled and you can't do anything about it- switch to a cheap sneaky scout and pad your WP. Why did nobody mention this earlier? Just because you have access to the best gear, doesn't mean it's the best option to use every time. When a guy who grew up in the wrong side of town grows up and makes a name for himself, he doesn't drive his Ferrari back to his old neighbourhood and leave it parked out in the street. That would be stupid. So is bringing your A-game gear into a pub match when there's a risk of getting it totalled. Also, when you bring your Protogear, it gives you an edge. Not always a huge advantage, just a little tilt of the balance in your favour. Often, that will be enough to edge out an opponent who might have beaten you in a "fair" fight. That victory means you earn more WP than you otherwise would have, and lose less suits (albeit more expensive ones). Your WP earnings in battle are a major factor towards your ISK earnings for the match, so if you're winning more encounters, and getting more WP from doing it, then you'll do better than the guy running cheaper gear, and as such, you'll earn more.



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