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Rolf The Viking Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.03.13 05:44:00 - [31] - Quote Laheon wrote: Even back in August there were these sort of problems. My advice is, get good at playing with lower tech, cheaper suits. I comfortably played with 30-40k suits, had a positive KDR, helped my team out all the time, and always had profit. I'd only suggest using proto gear in corp matches if you're getting paid well. I run one or two A series Logi fits (my highest suit unlocked so far) at around 70-80k a piece then shift back to a Sver suit running about 22k if we're getting stomped. Being a Logi is expensive, I can't even imagine what a Vk0 or Vk1 are going to cost me fully outfitted. It's very possible to do well, be a team player, and easily be cash positive in this game.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 147	Posted - 2013.03.13 06:05:00 - [32] - Quote My go to suit costs me 148k right now. Because of this cost, I try to play very defensively. I constantly check my radar for possible enemy troops movements and where the lines of battle are being drawn. I try to engage fights that I will win only, and remember my role on the battlefield. If my shields start dropping steadily, or if they are getting kinda low, I tactically retreat. (don't always have this option with viziams and GEKS). I can normally avoid death in a standard death match, even against good players. Against great players, I can usually keep my deaths in the 3-5 range. Ambush of course. Manus Peak, I rolls whatever random crap I feel like losing to random bullcrap. Those 15 aurum suits are fun (fused locus grenades). And against a stacked team of proto, I still pull my good suits, if only for one reason; maybe, just maybe, I can force those frackers to go isk negative too. Isk negative; the only real loss.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 83	Posted - 2013.03.13 08:32:00 - [33] - Quote Washlee wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Run proto in pubs.. Don't worry your survivability should outweigh the cost. That said, save the officer gear for corp battles. Good point I know alot of people who only run 2 total fits (Which is honestly stupid) But those people only run those in games all the time. Now picture this Your Team You (Proto Geared) Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub Scrub A Decent player Scrub Other team Imperfects , Hell Storm , Other Protoed up corps Now you two options 1. Be the guy who backed out 2. Take your beating imps and svers like running two tanks in pub matches but they are still losing, so you can count them as scrubs too Wicked Glory wrote: If you die in proto then you're bad and have no business holding on to your isk. because a few more EHP makes you better, oh wait... I kill plenty of proto dudes in pubs with my militia stuff
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2004	Posted - 2013.03.13 08:37:00 - [34] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Wicked Glory wrote: If you die in proto then you're bad and have no business holding on to your isk. because a few more EHP makes you better, oh wait... I kill plenty of proto dudes in pubs with my militia stuff Nobody said that Proto made you better, just that if you're not good, you shouldn't be running it, and deserve to lose ISK when you do.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 1005	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:08:00 - [35] - Quote Keep in mind that eventually matches will not be the sole way to earn ISK. So running in full proto gear more frequently will be possible, though it might not ever become entirely profitable match-to-match. However, we're pretty confident we'll make it so that you want to win battles so that your use of higher end gear will make sense in the long run.

King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming 48	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:20:00 - [36] - Quote I run a 0 aur proto suit every match, pub or corp. right now it costs roughly 230k per suit, and despite the fact i literally never use any other suits, i still manage to make marginal profit every set of 10 suits I purchase. Anywhere from 0-500k isk depending on how many games I can go without dying. Not a ton of profit, but I'm constantly in proto gear and I'm not losing isk. running with a squad makes this much more efficient, it's harder to run solo with proto gear, but i still manage to make it work.
G Torq ALTA B2O 97	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:22:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Keep in mind that eventually matches will not be the sole way to earn ISK. wut-wut? O.o
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming 48	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:24:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Keep in mind that eventually matches will not be the sole way to earn ISK. So running in full proto gear more frequently will be possible, though it might not ever become entirely profitable match-to-match. However, we're pretty confident we'll make it so that you want to win battles so that your use of higher end gear will make sense in the long run. so it's going to be even easier for me to run proto every single game? thank you based CCP everyone else, prepare your collective anus.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 242	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:26:00 - [39] - Quote G Torq wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: Keep in mind that eventually matches will not be the sole way to earn ISK. wut-wut? O.o PvE woop On topic- when i get into the "getting stomped" scenario, i pull out my militia FG (0isk). Yes im likely to die BUT i will take some proto suits down with me
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 254	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:47:00 - [40] - Quote "If you cannot afford to lose it, don't field it" I like the current balance as it doesn't make sense for everybody to run proto suits all the time. Promotes choice and variation which are both good. As items get slightly better as their meta level rises, it's imperative that their price rises logarithmically. If +3% mod would cost only 3% more, who would use that? Example from current beta market: Vehicle damage mods, almost the same price so everybody will use the Type-II one. Even more borked example, the jovian thruster. However, as I said this current balance is good I'm afraid it won't stay that for too long.

KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 254	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:49:00 - [41] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: On topic- when i get into the "getting stomped" scenario, i pull out my militia FG (0isk). Yes im likely to die BUT i will take some proto suits down with me Interesting, where have you gotten free Militia Forge Guns (or BPO)? >;-> The same goes for Militia Swarm. Prolly not zero isk after all... Oh but sorry, bit off topic.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 202	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:56:00 - [42] - Quote I always run proto. Lately I have had to cut the officer gun use down since I'm running low :) Isk is not an issue when you afk farm 80% of games in a 1000hp tk-proof fatty, snipe 50% of active games and camp rooftops with AR the rest ;)
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 202	Posted - 2013.03.13 10:59:00 - [43] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: On topic- when i get into the "getting stomped" scenario, i pull out my militia FG (0isk). Yes im likely to die BUT i will take some proto suits down with me Interesting, where have you gotten free Militia Forge Guns (or BPO)? >;-> The same goes for Militia Swarm. Prolly not zero isk after all... Oh but sorry, bit off topic. Sentinel base starter fit is awesome. Free heavy, forge, scrambler. I have kdr of 10 sniping forge in ambush on day of SP sentinel.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 450	Posted - 2013.03.13 12:47:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: ....we're pretty confident we'll make it so that you want to win battles ^ The important part. Makes me feel =) P.S. The best way to establish pricing for proto gear is to wire up beta testers to stress monitors. Adjust pricing upwards until using proto results in elevated heart rate and a cold sweat for 99.95% of the playerbase.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 778	Posted - 2013.03.13 12:49:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Keep in mind that eventually matches will not be the sole way to earn ISK. So running in full proto gear more frequently will be possible, though it might not ever become entirely profitable match-to-match. However, we're pretty confident we'll make it so that you want to win battles so that your use of higher end gear will make sense in the long run. How will that work with Shanghai's directive to make Dust a large EVE Isk sink?
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 202	Posted - 2013.03.13 12:53:00 - [46] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: Keep in mind that eventually matches will not be the sole way to earn ISK. So running in full proto gear more frequently will be possible, though it might not ever become entirely profitable match-to-match. However, we're pretty confident we'll make it so that you want to win battles so that your use of higher end gear will make sense in the long run. How will that work with Shanghai's directive to make Dust a large EVE Isk sink? The Sanghai Directive is probably to move EVE industries to Dust eventually.
Acturus Galaxy Horizons' Edge 3	Posted - 2013.03.13 13:46:00 - [47] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: I always run proto. Lately I have had to cut the officer gun use down since I'm running low :) Isk is not an issue when you afk farm 80% of games in a 1000hp tk-proof fatty, snipe 50% of active games and camp rooftops with AR the rest ;) Of all persons I am glad you AFK farms most games, I remember one game and still have nightmares about it where you were sniping the whole time. Even my heavy was one shoot with your thale sniper repeatedly. I think you ended with around 68 kills and me hiding in a cheap tank Normally I try to teamkill with grenades if I see one on my team afk farming, I need to upgrade my grenades for the heavy afk farmers which are becoming more common.
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 28	Posted - 2013.03.13 14:26:00 - [48] - Quote I think one key might be to max out you suits over the top before skilling in dropsuits. Right now I am running the Assault A-Series which fully equipped costs like 61.000 ISK Mostly I can handle the money well with this fit. I concentrate right now on maximizing everything I can with this Suit, so +25% Shield skill +25 Armour Skill maximizing CPU, PG lower costs of armour plates, shieldextenders, main and side-weapons all stuff like that. When I am done with this I will go for the B-Series and skill for better weapons. One of the reasons for doing this is to get the maximum out of every suit, so when I'll reach the proto suit, I'll be a protobear and no scrub in a black suit. I tried this already with aurum, it was very expensive just to learn something about Dust btw ;) Another reason is the racial variants of the dropsuits. Nobody knows when they hit the market, so Maybe I'm still stuck on my B-Series when they hit the market and I don't have to rage because I spent 1,2 Mil SP just to see another variation of DS which fits my way of playing better. I already spent like 3,5 Mil SP on my main, with even if its hard to admit, alot of wasted SP because I was kitten too much around. But yeah I spent 3,5 Mil SP and still running the A-Series. I just calculated my next skills and will need another 1,4 Mill to finally maxed out my A-Series and then be ready to switch to the B-Series.
Travi Zyg G I A N T 31	Posted - 2013.03.13 14:28:00 - [49] - Quote Im perfectly comfortable running my assault B-series suit toe to toe with proto. I see no need to rush to my proto gear at this point, unless your never dying, its not cost efficient at all in pubs. You can get SOOOO much out of a B-series with your core skills capped and if you have some good gun game you can absolutely step to protobears. Talking about B assault btw, i know people prefer their logi A or heavy A and such but as assault at least, you can run that suit for a LONG LONG time against proto and still have your survivability and make more ISK than the protobears.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 148	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:18:00 - [50] - Quote Except proto LOOKS sexier. The only thing that matters.

Washlee UnReaL. 133	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:41:00 - [51] - Quote Sontie wrote: Except proto LOOKS sexier. The only thing that matters. Ha you bring up a good point xD Im not too much to complain about the proto price since Im not there yet. But I just wounder , I have alot of money. But I like having that big wallet to show off :)
Nexus Tau Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:46:00 - [52] - Quote I run Standard to Advanced gear and I still win. Even though I get officer gear all the time.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 6	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:45:00 - [53] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: It's personal choice. I took down 1 proto heavy and a proto assault in one match today. You have to balance the risk for the reward. Money pay out is based on performance, if some one loses 3 proto's, oh well. It's no different than a newer player losing 10 wellfit type 1 assault's, the risk is the same. I call bs... No one is stupid enough to use proto heavy Sorry Marauder I killed one guy 2 times yesterday in skirmish who was running proto heavy, with his proto scout buddy beside him. There are those guys.
CPL Bloodstone SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 18	Posted - 2013.03.13 18:04:00 - [54] - Quote Running my darth suit with a big ol hmg does make some folks turn and run. though most just run at me directly...... btw the militia forge guns aren't hitting like they used to. ive hit a few guys dead on with a militia fg and it took there shields off and some of there armor but they didn't die, took a couple shots... Most of the time i run D series assault forge gun with type II heavy. Sometimes ill run darth mode if i feel like pub stomping.
DJINN AveryFane Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.03.13 18:29:00 - [55] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: It's personal choice. I took down 1 proto heavy and a proto assault in one match today. You have to balance the risk for the reward. Money pay out is based on performance, if some one loses 3 proto's, oh well. It's no different than a newer player losing 10 wellfit type 1 assault's, the risk is the same. I call bs... No one is stupid enough to use proto heavy rotfl
PT SD Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 166	Posted - 2013.03.13 18:38:00 - [56] - Quote Please, keep wearing Proto and Advanced gear. My, Militia AR thanks you. I really wish we could see how mush ISK you lost and how much ISK you cost the other team. I run militia gear about 85 percent of the time. I hunt Proto/Adv gear players, because if I kill you three times or more your ISK efficiency just collapsed. So keep wearing that great gear, their are predators like me just waiting to see that on the kill feed.


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