DUST Search - share your warpoints per death ratio and discuss whether it is a good measure

Shadowswipe wrote:

Ignoble Son wrote:

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

These stats were from a few days ago.

WP: 465,267
Deaths: 1,226
WP/D: 380
KDR: 5.57

I play ambush about 95% of the time, and a good deal of that is solo play. If I constantly ran in skirmish with a group (or even solo) I'm sure my WP would be much more hefty.

Also like others have said, not an end-all conclusion. But it makes me wonder what would be the perfect way to know a players skill/talent from a bunch of combined stats? Maybe there is no way to figure from stats alone, since there is so many ways to play the game.

You see this is what I am talking about.

With the stats you gave, I have calculated your WP/k to be 68.1

Now we know that 50 of that 68.1 comes from each kill you get, which leaves 18.1 left over, which means that you are doing very little on the battle field to support your team other than killing the enemy. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does reveal a good deal about how you play the game.

Unless he was frago'ed all the time, which would be 60 WP per kill.

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Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 338	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:15:00 - [1] - Quote This is a rather simple stat to calculate that someone brought up a while ago. Divide your total number of warpoints by your total number of deaths to get a general idea of how well you utilize each clone. I thought I'd ask this just out of curiosity (comparing with others), and wondering if people think it would be a good stat to track on the leaderboards.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 338	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:18:00 - [2] - Quote Warpoints: 363,329 Deaths: 1707 WP/D: 212.8 Other info: I generally run as logi and have a 1.08 KDR.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 327	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:29:00 - [3] - Quote WP/D isnt as great an idicator as ppl may think. Hacking a CRU or a supply depot or waiting for an objective to flip before hacking instead of dehacking, destryoing a bolas after its already deployed its cargo, destroying random installations etc though great for generating WP to get an OB but that doesnt mean that you are contributing to the team win simply because the game gave you WPs for your actions. So while it may be a better indicator of of utility of support over KDR doesnt neceesarily make it better, especially since without Slayers you cant do anything to get the job done regardless. Without high kdr players to exert MAP CONTROL support functions like hacking, revive, repair resupply are meaningless. Telling yourself otherwise is just a way to insulate oneself from that harsh truth. This coming from a logibro fyi.
Evicer Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:30:00 - [4] - Quote I have no problem with this as another player stat.Its been talked about before. Am I For or Against? For this idea.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 425	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:31:00 - [5] - Quote i don't know mine off the top of my head, but as for wether or not it's a good measure, it sorta has the same problem as KDR: the redline spawn sniper who rakes in a massive 3 kills per game will probably still end up with an excellent RATIO because he never dies. when hiding in the spawn all game is so persistent, any stat over deaths is suspect.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 736	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:31:00 - [6] - Quote I don't care about KDR, WPPD, WL, WPs etc etc etc. I just want the game to be fun to play. Is that too much to ask?
CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:33:00 - [7] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: WP/D isnt as great an idicator as ppl may think. Hacking a CRU or a supply depot or waiting for an objective to flip before hacking instead of dehacking, destryoing a bolas after its already deployed its cargo, destroying random installations etc though great for generating WP to get an OB but that doesnt mean that you are contributing to the team win simply because the game gave you WPs for your actions. So while it may be a better indicator of of utility of support over KDR doesnt neceesarily make it better, especially since without Slayers you cant do anything to get the job done regardless. Without high kdr players to exert MAP CONTROL support functions like hacking, revive, repair resupply are meaningless. Telling yourself otherwise is just a way to insulate oneself from that harsh truth. This coming from a logibro fyi. Reported for trolling
Spy Mouse New Eden Space Pirates 6	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:34:00 - [8] - Quote I got my first 1000 deaths within a week of starting while I was trying things out so anything/death ratio will take a while before it will be accurate for me. I rarely die more than twice a game now (ambush) or 5 times (skirmish)
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 43	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:42:00 - [9] - Quote War points = 641,483 Deaths = 2,733 Ratio =-á234.7 Kill/death = 1.99 Scout mostly, but I do way too much -ástuff on the battlefield to care to catalogue -áit all here. Actually, I don't think that this is an accurate measurement of combat effectiveness. For example, an even half decent sniper is going to have a high WP/D, but, as we all already know, all snipers are completely worthless. I think a more accurate ratio would be war points to kills, in which case, mine would be: 118.1
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 338	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:49:00 - [10] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: WP/D isnt as great an idicator as ppl may think. ... I agree with everything you said. It is pretty easy to game WP gain by doing things that don't necessarily move a team closer to victory. Just like playing it safe as a sniper can boost your KDR. I still think it is an interesting stat. And I think looking at WP/D, KDR and Win/Loss ratios all together gives a better view of a player's skills and play style than any one stat alone.

ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 75	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:49:00 - [11] - Quote A DUST GOD decided to bless this thread total WP= 1,326,413 total deaths=1,012 WP/D= 1,310.68 which is basically 1,311
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1970	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:53:00 - [12] - Quote This game is so broken right now, as far as I'm concerned the higher your stats are right now the worse you are because you probably just rode there off the backs of nubs, scrublets, and high end gear. See exhibit A, located directly above.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 231	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:53:00 - [13] - Quote What about WP/death/game? Pretty sure this can be gotten from the stats in game?
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 44	Posted - 2013.03.11 18:54:00 - [14] - Quote ImperfectFan514 wrote: A DUST GOD decided to bless this thread total WP= 1,326,413 total deaths=1,012 WP/D= 1,310.68 which is basically 1,311 ^^^ see what I mean. Now let's see that WP/K.
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 206	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:08:00 - [15] - Quote I've gone 0/4 with 1,200 WP before sooooo not sure how these stats reflect what I contribute to the teams I am on.
ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 75	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:10:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: This game is so broken right now, as far as I'm concerned the higher your stats are right now the worse you are because you probably just rode there off the backs of nubs, scrublets, and high end gear. See exhibit A, located directly above. Your tears give me motivation to continue playing this game.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:12:00 - [17] - Quote ImperfectFan514 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This game is so broken right now, as far as I'm concerned the higher your stats are right now the worse you are because you probably just rode there off the backs of nubs, scrublets, and high end gear. See exhibit A, located directly above. Your tears give me motivation to continue playing this game. Ahh, what's wrong? Not going to give up that WP/K?
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 326	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:18:00 - [18] - Quote These stats were from a few days ago. WP: 465,267 Deaths: 1,226 WP/D: 380 KDR: 5.57 I play ambush about 95% of the time, and a good deal of that is solo play. If I constantly ran in skirmish with a group (or even solo) I'm sure my WP would be much more hefty. Also like others have said, not an end-all conclusion. But it makes me wonder what would be the perfect way to know a players skill/talent from a bunch of combined stats? Maybe there is no way to figure from stats alone, since there is so many ways to play the game.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1972	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:22:00 - [19] - Quote ImperfectFan514 wrote: Your tears give me motivation to continue playing this game. Observations aren't tears
ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 75	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:24:00 - [20] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: ImperfectFan514 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This game is so broken right now, as far as I'm concerned the higher your stats are right now the worse you are because you probably just rode there off the backs of nubs, scrublets, and high end gear. See exhibit A, located directly above. Your tears give me motivation to continue playing this game. Ahh, what's wrong? Not going to give up that WP/K? I have 17,797 kills if that means anything to you.

Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:32:00 - [21] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: These stats were from a few days ago. WP: 465,267 Deaths: 1,226 WP/D: 380 KDR: 5.57 I play ambush about 95% of the time, and a good deal of that is solo play. If I constantly ran in skirmish with a group (or even solo) I'm sure my WP would be much more hefty. Also like others have said, not an end-all conclusion. But it makes me wonder what would be the perfect way to know a players skill/talent from a bunch of combined stats? Maybe there is no way to figure from stats alone, since there is so many ways to play the game. You see this is what I am talking about. With the stats you gave, I have calculated your WP/k to be 68.1 Now we know that 50 of that 68.1 comes from each kill you get, which leaves 18.1 left over, which means that you are doing very little on the battle field to support your team other than killing the enemy. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does reveal a good deal about how you play the game.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 45	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:36:00 - [22] - Quote ImperfectFan514 wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: ImperfectFan514 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: This game is so broken right now, as far as I'm concerned the higher your stats are right now the worse you are because you probably just rode there off the backs of nubs, scrublets, and high end gear. See exhibit A, located directly above. Your tears give me motivation to continue playing this game. Ahh, what's wrong? Not going to give up that WP/K? I have 17,797 kills if that means anything to you. That would put your WP/K at 74.5
Fraceska Opus Arcana Orion Empire 206	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:39:00 - [23] - Quote If that is true then I do terrible at K/D buuuut amazing at support lol.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 327	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:42:00 - [24] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: You see this is what I am talking about. With the stats you gave, I have calculated your WP/k to be 68.1 Now we know that 50 of that 68.1 comes from each kill you get, which leaves 18.1 left over, which means that you are doing very little on the battle field to support your team other than killing the enemy. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does reveal a good deal about how you play the game. Ah, nice observation And that makes perfect sense because pretty much all I play is ambush, in which the goal is to simply kill the other dudes (with the occasional hacking). I also get plenty of assists, which is +25 but doesn't count towards the kill count.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1973	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:47:00 - [25] - Quote Math, I hasn't it 396,842 WP 5,152 Kills What's that work out to? O.o
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 46	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:51:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Math, I hasn't it 396,842 WP 5,152 Kills What's that work out to? O.o It is very simple to calculate this ratio. Just devide your WP by your kill count. Yours comes out to 77.0
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 302	Posted - 2013.03.11 20:16:00 - [27] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: I don't care about KDR, WPPD, WL, WPs etc etc etc. I just want the game to be fun to play. Is that too much to ask? Most people find fun in competition. Hence the interest in a game where you shoot each other.
Shadowswipe WarRavens 14	Posted - 2013.03.11 21:20:00 - [28] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: These stats were from a few days ago. WP: 465,267 Deaths: 1,226 WP/D: 380 KDR: 5.57 I play ambush about 95% of the time, and a good deal of that is solo play. If I constantly ran in skirmish with a group (or even solo) I'm sure my WP would be much more hefty. Also like others have said, not an end-all conclusion. But it makes me wonder what would be the perfect way to know a players skill/talent from a bunch of combined stats? Maybe there is no way to figure from stats alone, since there is so many ways to play the game. You see this is what I am talking about. With the stats you gave, I have calculated your WP/k to be 68.1 Now we know that 50 of that 68.1 comes from each kill you get, which leaves 18.1 left over, which means that you are doing very little on the battle field to support your team other than killing the enemy. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does reveal a good deal about how you play the game. Unless he was frago'ed all the time, which would be 60 WP per kill.
AskuII Legend Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 11	Posted - 2013.03.11 21:26:00 - [29] - Quote WP - 1.486.480 D - 2.701 WP/D - 550,3 K/D - 8.21
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 49	Posted - 2013.03.11 21:29:00 - [30] - Quote Shadowswipe wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: These stats were from a few days ago. WP: 465,267 Deaths: 1,226 WP/D: 380 KDR: 5.57 I play ambush about 95% of the time, and a good deal of that is solo play. If I constantly ran in skirmish with a group (or even solo) I'm sure my WP would be much more hefty. Also like others have said, not an end-all conclusion. But it makes me wonder what would be the perfect way to know a players skill/talent from a bunch of combined stats? Maybe there is no way to figure from stats alone, since there is so many ways to play the game. You see this is what I am talking about. With the stats you gave, I have calculated your WP/k to be 68.1 Now we know that 50 of that 68.1 comes from each kill you get, which leaves 18.1 left over, which means that you are doing very little on the battle field to support your team other than killing the enemy. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does reveal a good deal about how you play the game. Unless he was frago'ed all the time, which would be 60 WP per kill. We work with what we have. A better solution to this problem would be to simply have CCP implement more detailed statistics.

KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 463	Posted - 2013.03.11 22:52:00 - [31] - Quote How about your KDR multipled with win/loss ratio? For example: 6,83 * 4,99 = 34
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1980	Posted - 2013.03.11 22:54:00 - [32] - Quote KingBabar wrote: How about your KDR multipled with win/loss ratio? For example: 6,83 * 4,99 = 34 Win loss ratio really just reflects how often you squad. The more you squad, the higher the ratio, because the more you squad the more matchmaking is going to spit you out against randoms outside of squads, and hence, higher chance of winning. W/L ratio is definitely the most useless statistic we have right now lol.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 332	Posted - 2013.03.11 22:57:00 - [33] - Quote ImperfectFan514 wrote: A DUST GOD decided to bless this thread total WP= 1,326,413 total deaths=1,012 WP/D= 1,310.68 which is basically 1,311 That sucks you cant call yourself a GAWD until it reads 1337, now get back to work.
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis 6	Posted - 2013.03.11 23:34:00 - [34] - Quote okay here is my try at this Step 1 ((wp/K) + (wp/D) / 2) / KDR = 78.304 Step 2 ((wp/K) + (wp/D) / 2) x KDP = 176.184 Step 3 divide the higher of the two by the lower of the two. Unlike before I am rounding to 2 decimal places. This is so its more like the current KDR stat. 176.184 / 78.304 = 2.25 This is the most impartial way to figure this. Obviously you could change which step to divide by.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 339	Posted - 2013.03.11 23:40:00 - [35] - Quote This is why spreadsheet nerds shouldnt play FPS games. LOL
Medic 1879 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.03.12 02:38:00 - [36] - Quote I really couldn't do this dont really check my stats often checked the other day I had 1,950 kills 87? deaths 2.22 kdr checked it the next day and I had 1.950 kills 87? deaths aand 2.23 kdr realised my stats aren't updating checked forums and realised it might be due to playing mostly skirm. So I played a game of ambush got 8 kills checked my stats and it was 1,958 kills 87? deaths 2.23 kdr I assumed that had fixed it so I played skirmish then checked and lo and behold kills 1,950, 87? deaths kdr 2.20 so I have no idea what my kills/deaths or kdr are dont really care though and I have about 350k wp so until we get a more relyable leaderboard/stat tracking they dont really mean much. I remember my mag stats were weird too my battles lost as attacker forever stood as "INVALID." and never changed lol.


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