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KING CHECKMATE unlight9 13	Posted - 2013.03.10 00:16:00 - [1] - Quote First sorry if this is a long read.Its just this is my future in dust514 so if anyone is interested in giving me a hand it would be really appreciated.... Well even if i started playing as a Heavy, the reduced effectiveness of these dropsuits has made me a little impatient not to mention severly damaged my K/D ratio and ISK income.So i decided to try other ways of earning my ISK as a mercenary. I looked into several Dropsuit / weapon combinations and i finally decided Explosives is the way to go for me.After being able to kill squads of 4 proto armors with some smart luring + explosive setting, or destroying tanks with just grenades and mines I really think a explosive expert has no limits in what he can do..... Earning 2-6 kills each time i trigger them,is just so sweet. But here is the doubt i need help with. I have 2 vesions, and i need to know what more experienced players think it would be more effective to improve and invest my Skillpoints/ISK in= Logi Explosives= With 3+ Equipment slots and massive CPU it pretty obvious why this was my first choice. -I can equip 2 remote explosives + Nanohives for restock, making it easy deploying 4 Explosives per run. -I can equip 1 remote explosive + 1 Poximity mines(AV) + Nanohives and AV grenade, making this a decent strategical AV Loadout. -The high powered and low powered module slots as per Type A - B is 3 of each. MAking the customization options pretty high. -And in the weapons slot a Burst assault rifle,that is my favourite weapon besides HMGs. LOGI XPLODE: Advantages: -High CPU -Lots of slots for customization -Lots of equipment slots making single run deployments of remote explosives more effective. -Good chances of survival in Firefights due to healing nanohives and High Shield extenders/Armor plates that can be equipped. -Logi Suits look the best.Admit it people..... Disadvantages: -Pretty slow TBQH. ''Mining'' and area and then clearing the place has been a little hard specially if i have enemies incoming after i finish setting the Xplosives. Suicide bombing is very common in these situations XD -I could make the Logi Armor FASTER with modules. But i would sacrifice HP/Shield. -Dropsuit ''Hitbox'' is almost as big as the HEAVY armor. -Everybody thinks im a healer and im not. Scout Explosives= The Scout Type - II is also another option for this type of job. -One Light weapon slot for my Burst AR -2 Slots for Remote Xplosives and nanohives is more than enough. -Speedy F****ers are hard to kill if used correctly. SCOUT XPLODE: Advantages: -Speedy.Making it reaching different points of the map more effective.Plus ''mining'' and area and leaving is easier. -Low Dropsuit scan profile. -With a slot for Remote explosives and one for nanohives is just enough for what im looking for. -Very fast shield recovery, making those plant and runaway strategies very effective. Disadvantages: -Low HP. I can fight mostly on 1v1 fights or with team support. -LOW CPU. Making creating each fitting pretty annoying. -2 Equipment slots is BARELY what i need, but leaves me little options.(I can only carry or remote explosives OR proximity mines, or both and depend on a supply dep.) -People like hunting down scouts because a decent player with some skill and a GEK can ravage through them= Easy kills. So, i like BOTH types of loadouts but can only afford to perfect one at the moment. What do FORUM people and advanced players think? Thanks again for your time.
Spy Mouse New Eden Space Pirates 5	Posted - 2013.03.10 00:40:00 - [2] - Quote I use remote explosives almost every game. Because I use a laser rifle with my logistics fit, I have no close quarters weapon so I make creative use of explosives when the enemy gets too close. I say use the logistics dropsuit. You get more HP, more equipment slots and more PG/CPU so you have much more options to customize your fitting. You can get your scan profile low enough by learning the passive skills (Dropsuit Command and Profile Dampening) Even with 3 equipment slots, I wish I had more because I like to use Repairers and Uplinks. Nanohive is a must. If you choose Scout for a Demolitions fit, you will probably find your self restricted later on.
KING CHECKMATE unlight9 13	Posted - 2013.03.10 00:45:00 - [3] - Quote Hmm thanks i'll take that into consideration. Its good advice i guess with the massive CPU and slots the Logi IS the best way to go. But the speed that the scout has has proven to be quite effective. Yesterday i walked behind a couple of squads that where shooting down some friendlies, so i set a couple of remote explosives, shot one of them down and started running.Of course the enraged mob stareted following me and i triggered the explosives getting 4 more kills. Thats 5 out of 8 and i still got away. This is the main reason i was having doubts about which armor to use. Speed,even with all the disadvantages is always a Massive plus. Thanks again for your opinion.It really helps.
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 26	Posted - 2013.03.10 00:48:00 - [4] - Quote I have to concur logi is your best bet IMO. You can lower your profile with drop suit command and profile dampener (skill ) You can also train vigor to run longer.
KING CHECKMATE unlight9 13	Posted - 2013.03.10 00:51:00 - [5] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: I have to concur logi is your best bet IMO. You can lower your profile with drop suit command and profile dampener (skill ) You can also train vigor to run longer. Thanks again . That makes Logi 2 - Scout 0 at the moment XD Of course i could lower the pofile and increase vigor for the stamina, but hey! remember those skills could be used for something else if i used the scout! S***, i guess the scout type 2 was just a bad idea then XD
Syther Shadows CowTek 35	Posted - 2013.03.10 03:08:00 - [6] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Centurion mkII wrote: I have to concur logi is your best bet IMO. You can lower your profile with drop suit command and profile dampener (skill ) You can also train vigor to run longer. Thanks again . That makes Logi 2 - Scout 0 at the moment XD Of course i could lower the profile and increase vigor for the stamina, but hey! remember those skills could be used for something else if i used the scout! S***, i guess the scout type 2 was just a bad idea then XD scout works for hot bait and switch i got 5 kills with a milita scout suit militia shot gun and Level 1 remote explosives i was trying to hack a point and some one thought it was a good idea to run right at me waited till he was right next to me and blap shotgun kill by then a few others where running towards me i ran to there supply depo and used it as cover i waited till they got close and places a remote explosive on the both sides waited till they where to pass it and boom 2 more kills the other 2 where lucky kills with the shot guns from them approaching me a little to close but with the guy that killed me id go to wager that they put more isk into the guns than my whole suit costs so im going to have to say (what ever feels better man) using remote explosives is about being smart and having a quick wit both suits can be used and you don't even need to put your self in the line of fire but it become a bit awkward when i run around with remote explosives out and not my weapon as i don't expect to actually use my gun XD
KING CHECKMATE unlight9 14	Posted - 2013.03.10 03:25:00 - [7] - Quote Well thats what im saying. Just setting Remotes at say: Objective ''B'' its brainless and unproductive.Just to get 1 easy kill , thats not the way to go LOL. I do however Use the Burst AR as med/long ranged combat but close combat i do use Remote Xplosives a lot. Bait and run is a great strategy. Also Area control is very important,after a while playing Dust54,you already know where chokepoints , or travel paths people take, setting explosives there can grant you a lot of kills. Even if most people say that Logi is the way to go ( and i agree it IS the logic way to go) , im very tempted to try out the scout type II because of the speed and Shield regen. Logi just doesnt have the necesary speed to clear an area and im not planning in actually using my Asault rifle in CQ situations.... But im still doubtfull XD I think: What if i get Scout Type - B and then regret it? same as when i played heavy? All those SP lost u.u
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 318	Posted - 2013.03.10 03:34:00 - [8] - Quote Remote explosives have sevearl uses. Area denial (skirmish) plant sthose suck rs in a hidden spot by the objective boom at least one or more persons can't hack it. Area denial (ambush) requires more thought but if you learn the maps and get to know the spots you can drop them in nice patterns where people are likely to congregate. (Tear harvesting at its finest) Av the proxy mines are great onc you learn. How to trap vehicles with them. (All types) Self defense if you place them at choke points near your position you could theoretically block travel through an area. There are more im sur but these are my favorites. Also remember eventualluly we are according to the text of the res be able to set off one at a time instead of all or nothing. Which opens up more possibilities for use.
KING CHECKMATE unlight9 15	Posted - 2013.03.10 03:44:00 - [9] - Quote Val'herik Dorn wrote: Remote explosives have sevearl uses. Area denial (skirmish) plant sthose suck rs in a hidden spot by the objective boom at least one or more persons can't hack it. Area denial (ambush) requires more thought but if you learn the maps and get to know the spots you can drop them in nice patterns where people are likely to congregate. (Tear harvesting at its finest) Av the proxy mines are great onc you learn. How to trap vehicles with them. (All types) Self defense if you place them at choke points near your position you could theoretically block travel through an area. There are more im sur but these are my favorites. Also remember eventualluly we are according to the text of the res be able to set off one at a time instead of all or nothing. Which opens up more possibilities for use. WAIT, you can trigger them 1 by 1? I didn't know that.... Would you care to explain how? or not yet? or are those a different tipe of Remote Exp? I still need tolearn how to do this correctly XD ''Av the proxy mines are great onc you learn. How to trap vehicles with them. ''
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 320	Posted - 2013.03.10 04:05:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: WAIT, you can trigger them 1 by 1? I didn't know that.... Would you care to explain how? or not yet? or are those a different tipe of Remote Exp? I still need tolearn how to do this correctly XD ''Av the proxy mines are great onc you learn. How to trap vehicles with them. '' not as of now BUT if you read the description you should be able to. It would be nice... no idea how it would work but nice nonetheless...

KING CHECKMATE unlight9 15	Posted - 2013.03.10 04:33:00 - [11] - Quote NICE, will do that then. I think that if you could activate remotes individually would be great. Like You press the button.Then the 1st one you set explodes. Hit again, then the 2nd one goes off, and so on. That could work and wouldnt be overly complicated. BTW the advice on remote xplosives is great. But any suggestions as in Dropsuits for them? Whats what most people use when using remotes explosives? Whats the metagame? (So i can choose the opposite XD)
Chances Ghost Prototype Technology Corp. 20	Posted - 2013.03.10 06:28:00 - [12] - Quote ive found the type II logi suit is great for an explosives suit. you give up one equipment slot for near scout level speed.
Spy Mouse New Eden Space Pirates 6	Posted - 2013.03.10 14:46:00 - [13] - Quote Have you ever planted 4 proximity mines and 5 remote explosives all in a bunch? It is devastating to a Madrugar.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1926	Posted - 2013.03.10 15:17:00 - [14] - Quote I'm a huge fan of Scout suits, but as much as the fitting is viable, it can never be AS good for your intended role as the Logi suit. When I was first reading the post, I thought that maybe if you're backed up by someone running the logistics role (not necessarily a Logi suit though) and providing Nanohives for you, the Scout would work really well, but then I realised an alternate Logi fitting with an extra set of REs would still do the same job better. There are a lot of things Scouts can do, but while it's possible to make this work with one, it doesn't seem like it plays far enough into their innate strengths.
Red Zenith MK2 Enterprises 0	Posted - 2013.03.10 15:25:00 - [15] - Quote I play as a Logi almost exclusively, and I just have different fittings for diffetent situations, but I have wasted a lot of sp in skills that I later decide don't fit my play style. Sadly I have nothing useful to contribute (sorry!) because I have yet to venture into the world of remote explosives but they seem like a good way to improve my rookie fittings! I'll just keep an eye out here to steal idea from everyone else. lol
KING CHECKMATE unlight9 19	Posted - 2013.03.11 02:52:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks everyone for your contributions.They all helped in a way or another. I'm sorry to admit that I'm one stubborn bastard, so i decided to go with SCOUT.Even if the logic option is using LOGI suits. I just find the speed that scouts have PLUS the fast shield recovery/recovery rate way too useful for my purposes. Here goes the ''prototype'' I'm using.If it starts failing I'll go back to trying the ''EXPLOSIVE EXPERT LOAD OUT'' with LOGI . (Of course is not the BEST it can be yet,but im trying it out to see if i stay with this drop suit path before perfecting Modules,getting better weapons etc....)= Scout Type II Burst AR Nano-hive Remote explosive Shield Extender 33HP Armor plates Armor repair 3HP/sec As the moment i have up to Type - II Of Heavy , Logi and scout so i might as well try it.I must admit that the results are , astonishing. Games 25+/5- are getting way to common with shoot and run strategies with Remote explosives. I'm good even at shootouts where i can dish out decent damage with my burst AR and take cover. Rinse and repeat and i end up using 500+hp (in regenerated shields) plus covering choke points+ objectives with Remotes explosives is WAY easier with the speed the scouts have. I will stick with this load out for a while and then decide If I really prefer High shield regen + Speed vs High CPU+item carriage+ customization. (The thing that REALLY has me worried is the VERY LOW CPU that scout drop suits carry, as in will i be able to carry the SAME i drop suit modules i have but COMPLEX? + better explosives and maybe a ADVANCED Burst AR? or will i run out of CPU and have wasted a ton of SP?) Anyone knows if there is some kind of ''character creator'' for dust i can maybe use to predict my future? XD
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1932	Posted - 2013.03.11 03:13:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Scout Type II (L) -Burst AR (EQ) - Nano-hive (EQ) -Remote explosive ( \| ) - Shield Extender 33HP (- -) - Armor plates (- -) - Armor repair 3HP/sec (The thing that REALLY has me worried is the VERY LOW CPU that scout drop suits carry, as in will i be able to carry the SAME i drop suit modules i have but COMPLEX? + better explosives and maybe a ADVANCED Burst AR? or will i run out of CPU and have wasted a ton of SP?) <== if this is the case then i shall just play LOGI from now one XD If you get stuck for CPU, try dropping the Armour Plates (keep the Repairer... trust a fellow Scout on this) for a CPU Upgrade. More speed as well as the CPU to fit your better gear. If you bump your Field Mechanics a few points, you should be fine.
KING CHECKMATE unlight9 19	Posted - 2013.03.11 03:32:00 - [18] - Quote Well i used to play Heavy so i have field Mechanics at level IV ,That should work... >..> Thanks for the advice i actually never thought of it XD. I guess i would have CPU for everything i need PLUS i wouldn't drop my speed either. Kind OF scared thou loosing those 80something of HP : / Sometimes i barely make it our of Cross fires. Guess I'll have to start taking more cover and shooting less hahahahaha.
Chankk Saotome CrimeWave Syndicate 196	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:01:00 - [19] - Quote I hate to be repeating things that have already been said a dozen times but indeed, Logis are the kings of Demolition. They're the kings of basically everything that doesn't simply involve, See Reddot, pull trigger, kill reddot. As absurd as it may sound, it's the truth. You'll never have a scout resupplying you, you'll never have an assault repping you, And for those other suits that use RE's, they usually fit one basic type of triggered RE to hope to cover objectives and have no equipment slots for anything else, much less resupplying their own stock. I've run RDX since... well, forever. I was one of the first to introduce and start that trend on Asian servers and it's part of what got me to connect with the people I work with now, both in and out of corp. They're a rarer and more situational tool now but I still keep loadouts on standby just in case. You'd be amazed at how unsettled a tank can become because of that Proximity Mine alert, even if he's not gonna run over it... But no more clues there. Anyway, logis are king at demolition as they get the excess equipment slots which are awesome for setting separate mine traps around, taking out installations up close, and restocking your own supply. You won't have the speed of a scout or the durability of an assault... at first. But you can eventually build yourself up to be just as good though it takes a few million SP to get there. That's part of why logis got ripped on in early Beta with no one knowing what to do with them. They're an investment class suit, not something you just jump in and savage the battlefield from the get-go. But once you get it, you can be beast at whatever you decide to do with it. __________ A strong man can do many things, But the strongest knows he cannot do everything alone.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1938	Posted - 2013.03.11 09:14:00 - [20] - Quote Chankk Saotome wrote: You'll never have a scout resupplying you, you'll never have an assault repping you, Obviously never seen me on... almost any of my characters...



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