DUST Search - [Bug] Hit detection fail on floating sniper

CCP LogicLoop wrote:

2100 Angels wrote:

CCP LogicLoop wrote:

Soozu wrote:

CCP LogicLoop wrote:

C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue.

Thank you!

Thanks. I had the same issue today on the same map but different location... The culprit was either in F4, or F5... floating again.
I seem to get the floating issues.... maybe it's me??

Are they floating while on terrain every time or on some other form of object, like the big pointy rocks?

From what I've observed, the terrain appears to look different looking up at the mountain from what it looks like when you're actually up there. Theres a couple of rocks that jut out that I've used to give myself cover which I can't seem to locate when looking at it... I've postulated that the hit detection issues in this scenario are related to the fact that shooters are actually hitting terrain and not the sniper, however as the terrain is transparent it looks like there is a floating sniper behind no cover. Just a thought.

This might be an artifact of the Level Of Detail system. As you are further away from terrain and other objects, its level of detail goes down. So the other players and objects are on the collision of the full detail spots for them, but you are are seeing the low level of that detail, which will not always match up.

I'll ask around about this, and see if it is intended that the LOD does not change when you view through a scope.

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Soozu 5o1st 7	Posted - 2013.03.09 13:19:00 - [1] - Quote Today 13:04 UTC Battle mode: Skirmish System: Inghenes Planet: Inheges II Attacker: Ostrakon Agency Defender: Federal Intelligence Sniper's Name: Momo'7 [ Team Defender] Location: Eastern mountain top Issue: Floating 4' above the ground and no damage on clear hits. Guy who died twice trying to hit said sniper.... Soozu

CCP LogicLoop Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.03.11 06:49:00 - [2] - Quote C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue. Thank you!

Soozu 5o1st 12	Posted - 2013.03.12 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue. Thank you! Thanks. I had the same issue today on the same map but different location... The culprit was either in F4, or F5... floating again. I seem to get the floating issues.... maybe it's me??

CCP LogicLoop Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.03.13 08:39:00 - [4] - Quote Soozu wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue. Thank you! Thanks. I had the same issue today on the same map but different location... The culprit was either in F4, or F5... floating again. I seem to get the floating issues.... maybe it's me?? Are they floating while on terrain every time or on some other form of object, like the big pointy rocks?

Soozu 5o1st 15	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:06:00 - [5] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Soozu wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue. Thank you! Thanks. I had the same issue today on the same map but different location... The culprit was either in F4, or F5... floating again. I seem to get the floating issues.... maybe it's me?? Are they floating while on terrain every time or on some other form of object, like the big pointy rocks? It seems to be on mountain tops and ridges entirely and my view is always through the sniper scope. I have yet to see this issue on solid level ground but I have indeed seen it at several different mountain locations this past month. Thanks for looking into it.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 17	Posted - 2013.03.14 08:21:00 - [6] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Soozu wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue. Thank you! Thanks. I had the same issue today on the same map but different location... The culprit was either in F4, or F5... floating again. I seem to get the floating issues.... maybe it's me?? Are they floating while on terrain every time or on some other form of object, like the big pointy rocks? From what I've observed, the terrain appears to look different looking up at the mountain from what it looks like when you're actually up there. Theres a couple of rocks that jut out that I've used to give myself cover which I can't seem to locate when looking at it... I've postulated that the hit detection issues in this scenario are related to the fact that shooters are actually hitting terrain and not the sniper, however as the terrain is transparent it looks like there is a floating sniper behind no cover. Just a thought.

CCP LogicLoop Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:13:00 - [7] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Soozu wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue. Thank you! Thanks. I had the same issue today on the same map but different location... The culprit was either in F4, or F5... floating again. I seem to get the floating issues.... maybe it's me?? Are they floating while on terrain every time or on some other form of object, like the big pointy rocks? From what I've observed, the terrain appears to look different looking up at the mountain from what it looks like when you're actually up there. Theres a couple of rocks that jut out that I've used to give myself cover which I can't seem to locate when looking at it... I've postulated that the hit detection issues in this scenario are related to the fact that shooters are actually hitting terrain and not the sniper, however as the terrain is transparent it looks like there is a floating sniper behind no cover. Just a thought. This might be an artifact of the Level Of Detail system. As you are further away from terrain and other objects, its level of detail goes down. So the other players and objects are on the collision of the full detail spots for them, but you are are seeing the low level of that detail, which will not always match up. I'll ask around about this, and see if it is intended that the LOD does not change when you view through a scope.

Soozu 5o1st 17	Posted - 2013.03.15 14:41:00 - [8] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Soozu wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue. Thank you! Thanks. I had the same issue today on the same map but different location... The culprit was either in F4, or F5... floating again. I seem to get the floating issues.... maybe it's me?? Are they floating while on terrain every time or on some other form of object, like the big pointy rocks? From what I've observed, the terrain appears to look different looking up at the mountain from what it looks like when you're actually up there. Theres a couple of rocks that jut out that I've used to give myself cover which I can't seem to locate when looking at it... I've postulated that the hit detection issues in this scenario are related to the fact that shooters are actually hitting terrain and not the sniper, however as the terrain is transparent it looks like there is a floating sniper behind no cover. Just a thought. This might be an artifact of the Level Of Detail system. As you are further away from terrain and other objects, its level of detail goes down. So the other players and objects are on the collision of the full detail spots for them, but you are are seeing the low level of that detail, which will not always match up. I'll ask around about this, and see if it is intended that the LOD does not change when you view through a scope. That makes perfect sense come to think of it, The view UP TO C6 [for example} through the scope is pretty basic, but when you're up there it has lots more bumps and jutting rocks. I'm putting my money on this. Sniper scope LOD. Glad you're looking into this. I have to add though, this is really important stuff. Each time a sniper fires he gives his position away. Giving a heads up to a sniper you're shooting at... gets you killed. Sniper battle outcomes between a couple pros are swayed by this and in turn a whole match.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 17	Posted - 2013.03.16 03:15:00 - [9] - Quote Soozu wrote: That makes perfect sense come to think of it, The view UP TO C6 [for example} through the scope is pretty basic, but when you're up there it has lots more bumps and jutting rocks. I'm putting my money on this. Sniper scope LOD. In fact, this explains a ton of misses that I thought might have been range issues. This would certainly explain the hit issues on manus peak with a static sniper, but I find that I often have these hit detection issues on people throughout all maps and in any situation.... the dreaded blue shield flash of ineffectiveness
Rifter7 Improvise. 99	Posted - 2013.03.19 10:22:00 - [10] - Quote if you aim for their heads and just a little bit above so the reticule flashes red and then white you'll kill them.. kill them dead. the terrain acts a little weird with the bullets, but when the reticule flashes like that the bottom of the bullet hits the top of their head poking out.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3233	Posted - 2013.03.26 02:26:00 - [11] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DysJGPfxPEA found a video related to this.
Soozu 5o1st 32	Posted - 2013.03.26 03:50:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DysJGPfxPEA found a video related to this. That was a perfect example. To make matters worse eventually the sniper getting shot at figures out where the bullets are coming from and replies. I'm not sure how difficult it's going to be to enhance level of detail through the sniper scopes but as you can see, without it.... it's tough cookies.
Appia Vibbia Opus Arcana Orion Empire 7	Posted - 2013.03.26 18:12:00 - [13] - Quote that video is nice and shows it is LOD. It also happens in D3, but people can aslo hide INSIDE the terrain there
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1140	Posted - 2013.03.27 23:33:00 - [14] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: C6 will no longer be accessible in the release. However, we will see if we can reproduce this kind of issue. Thank you! All for the best, but it brought some good times. I un-redlined my team (but alas--it was too late) by driving a starter fit off that cliff, through the enemy redzone, into A
Rus Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 11	Posted - 2013.04.04 08:32:00 - [15] - Quote I believe the root cause of this is the LoD bug. The precision of the 3D model should go up when looking through sniper scope, but it often fails to do so. This means you see the same 3D model as with plain eye, just way bigger, and thus the terrain is hugely different from what you'd see if you were closer. This also means sniper duels are matter of luck, as your often have line of sight on the image you see while bullets can't hit and vice versa.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.04.04 12:29:00 - [16] - Quote I've found this problem is less of an issue with the increased scope fidelity of the thales
My F-air Knee Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.04.19 03:32:00 - [17] - Quote I'm thoroughly enjoying DUST, but hit detection seems to be a lingering issue. Recently in a match, I tried every sniping spot on "line harvest" with a line of sight shot at a sniper in F/G5 (i.e. the south mountain), emptied multiple sniper clips across different lives, all with shield flash, and the sniper took no damage. I tried manually reloading, moving in and out of zoom, and, as mentioned, changing locations all over the map. player name, I believe, was something like sparaticusmaaki (that's not quite right but I've searched and i can't seem to find him) he was a member of the Corp: EVE Protection Agency As I said, I really enjoy Dust, but if sniper hit detection remains as glaring as it currently seems to be, it won't be much fun to play. EDIT: I apologize, I didn't realize this was a feedback area only for Manus Peaks, I will repost in the appropriate section.


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