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        |  Mortal Maximus
 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 03:49:00 -
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 Ok, so i understand that heavies are a beast and the person should be equipped with whatever it takes to take him out. But, i mean are u serious, you're telling me that from a about a 35 to 40 yrd radius (don't judge me on distance if incorrect :/) you're able to eat off the sheild and armor off a heavy effortlessly? now that's just absurd. Doesn't any heavy agree with me on this matter? o.O
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        |  XxWarlordxX97
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 03:51:00 -
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 i agree with you fully
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        |  Zekain Kade
 BetaMax.
 
 932
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 03:55:00 -
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 Try the proto AR's I hear they're cool to use.
 
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        |  Logi Bro
 ZionTCD
 Legacy Rising
 
 847
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 03:57:00 -
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 I'm not sure what you mean by a 35-40yd radius, but no, this isn't a problem. Heavies(HMG) are designed for CQC, even if you CAN max out heavy sharpshooter and have equal range with an AR, that doesn't make you as effective as them at range.
 
 If you start getting shot by an AR at range, then take cover and wait for the prey to come to you, then blow their brains out with your superior firepower and armor.
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        |  Mortal Maximus
 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
 
 8
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 03:58:00 -
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 I saw i guy use that armor, and i saw get eaten up by a GEK 30 Assualt rifle like some type of food... i thought it was kinda funny until i got eaten too... :/
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        |  Iron Wolf Saber
 BetaMax.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 03:58:00 -
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 Well mostly you, as a heavy gunner myself geks tear me up if caught in the open trying to get to new cover.
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        |  Mortal Maximus
 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
 
 8
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 04:00:00 -
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 Logi Bro wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by a 35-40yd radius, but no, this isn't a problem. Heavies(HMG) are designed for CQC, even if you CAN max out heavy sharpshooter and have equal range with an AR, that doesn't make you as effective as them at range. 
 If you start getting shot by an AR at range, then take cover and wait for the prey to come to you, then blow their brains out with your superior firepower and armor.
 
 Cool i tried that, but not so effective on an open field. Especially we has buddies backing him up, cuz that when i feel like going inside the game and kamayahmayah wave all of them, but i cant.
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        |  Mortal Maximus
 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
 
 8
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 04:02:00 -
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 Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well mostly you, as a heavy gunner myself geks tear me up if caught in the open trying to get to new cover.  
 I mean i do that but trust me not all the time especially since i play skirmish alot and only do two things, either i'm in the air flying a dropship dropping ppl from one point to the other or on the ground in my heavy protecting the base :|.
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        |  Scalesdini
 Universal Allies Inc.
 
 98
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 04:03:00 -
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 If there's a GEK tearing through a heavy, good chance there are 3+ damage mods on it. By itself it's not that big of a threat, with the stacking
 penaltybonus they're kind of a nightmare, but I still fear 3-4 complex dmg mods on a militia AR or an exile because of their laser like precision more than a GEK with its wild recoil. | 
      
      
        |  Mortal Maximus
 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
 
 8
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 04:06:00 -
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 Scalesdini wrote:If there's a GEK tearing through a heavy, good chance there are 3+ damage mods on it. By itself it's not that big of a threat, with the stacking penaltybonus they're kind of a nightmare, but I still fear 3-4 complex dmg mods on a militia AR or an exile because of their laser like precision more than a GEK with its wild recoil. 
 I agree with you on that, but I personally hate both the GEK 30 and Exile Assualt rifles, after a person kills me with that i just feel mentally defeatead a bit :/
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        |  Bojo The Mighty
 Bojo's School of the Trades
 
 466
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 04:11:00 -
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 You realize the heavy Shield to Armor ratio right?
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        |  Mortal Maximus
 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 04:14:00 -
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 Bojo The Mighty wrote:You realize the heavy Shield to Armor ratio right? 
 No, not really but i do put my shield modules so that i could eat more bullets than other heavies O-O.
 
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        |  Bojo The Mighty
 Bojo's School of the Trades
 
 466
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 04:32:00 -
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 Mortal Maximus wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:You realize the heavy Shield to Armor ratio right? No, not really but i do put my shield modules so that i could eat more bullets than other heavies O-O. The Shields on a heavy go fast because it's got mostly armor.
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        |  undeadsoldier90
 UnReaL.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 04:32:00 -
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 Mortal Maximus wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:You realize the heavy Shield to Armor ratio right? No, not really but i do put my shield modules so that i could eat more bullets than other heavies O-O. 
 Your best bet as a heavy is to just up all of your passive skills. Get a broadside dmg mods and armor reps and play like a fat ass ninja.
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        |  2-Ton Twenty-One
 Imperfects
 Negative-Feedback
 
 240
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 05:11:00 -
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 adv and proto heavys do need a buff. heavys are way to weak late game.
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        |  ladwar
 Dead Six Initiative
 
 3
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 05:28:00 -
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 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:adv and proto heavys do need a buff. heavys are way to weak late game. 
 no
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        |  Scalesdini
 Universal Allies Inc.
 
 99
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 05:49:00 -
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 ladwar wrote:2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:adv and proto heavys do need a buff. heavys are way to weak late game. no 
 Yes.
 
 You clearly don't have the slightest clue how gimped advanced and prototype heavy suits are.
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        |  RHYTHMIK Designs
 BetaMax.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 06:10:00 -
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 Scalesdini wrote:If there's a GEK tearing through a heavy, good chance there are 3+ damage mods on it. 
 Ugh...no.
 
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        |  Coleman Gray
 Coalition Of Goverments
 
 67
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 06:16:00 -
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 why I'm a heavy who uses a Gek
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        |  Sada Mokmo
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 2
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 06:36:00 -
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 Coleman Gray wrote:why I'm a heavy who uses a Gek I always laugh when i see one of you, mostly because i see you come on radar, i see you're shooting AR and then BOOM you turn the corner and you're a heavy. Good thing turning radius is limited by the suit not the weapon.
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        |  TheMarkOf22
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 06:47:00 -
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 please explain how I hit a heavy with almost every single bullet in a gek and still manage to die while using 3 damage mods....
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        |  DJINN leukoplast
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
 308
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 06:56:00 -
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 The grass is always greener on the other side...
 
 From our perspective, it requires a crap ton of bullets to take down a heavy, and is even more difficult when that heavy is decently speced and has decent HMG range. Plus don't forget that our AR's start shaking violently and become nearly uncontrollable with long duration of fire (which is needed to get a heavy, or at least do some serious damage). Yet the HMG becomes more accurate and deadly with longer fire. So when our weapons because almost useless, yours becomes a spinning death machine, which is probably the root of most AR players hate with heavies.
 
 Also in the time required to down a heavy, our position is made and usually somebody else comes along to soak bullets into us before we have a chance to completely kill you.
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        |  Entrei Blackstorm
 ZionTCD
 Legacy Rising
 
 49
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 09:31:00 -
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 Logi Bro wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by a 35-40yd radius, but no, this isn't a problem. Heavies(HMG) are designed for CQC, even if you CAN max out heavy sharpshooter and have equal range with an AR, that doesn't make you as effective as them at range. 
 If you start getting shot by an AR at range, then take cover and wait for the prey to come to you, then blow their brains out with your superior firepower and armor.
 
 This. +1 to the logibro
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        |  Stinker Butt
 UnReaL.
 
 106
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 12:28:00 -
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 TheMarkOf22 wrote:please explain how I hit a heavy with almost every single bullet in a gek and still manage to die while using 3 damage mods.... 
 
 I don't think you really want the answer. :)
 
 But back on topic, I don't mind GEKs at all (I'm a heavy). But I will say that when I get killed while walking around, I look at what killed me and it seems to be mostly locus grenades and geks. If a group of people are shooting at me, it's usually the guy with the gek that gets the kill.
 
 But it's all good. The game wouldn't be fun if you didn't die on occasion.
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        |  Saj T
 IT'S NO USE
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 12:47:00 -
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 The HMG sucks in comparison to the GEK and an assault suit can get well over 400+ shields too yeah one really needs to question the usefulness of the heavy suit. Only reason I like to roll with a HMG on my Heavy still is because the heavy suit can't equip nanohives.
 
 If you're looking for a reason to play the heavy, learn to aim and pick up a forge gun.
 
 Assault Suits are cheaper, faster, nearly as durable, have more utility, kill faster and at better ranges.
 
 
 
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        |  Red Eye Laser
 Seraphim Initiative.
 CRONOS.
 
 8
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 12:54:00 -
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 TheMarkOf22 wrote:please explain how I hit a heavy with almost every single bullet in a gek and still manage to die while using 3 damage mods.... 
 Bad gun game ?
 
 What you should do is any or all of the following :-
 
 Aim for the head.
 
 Use cover.
 
 Don't engage in open ground.
 
 Soften him/her up with a nade.
 
 Lets face it, if a heavy gets the jump on you, chances are your gonna die.
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        |  Vanda-Kon
 KILLSTAR CO.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 13:01:00 -
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 Just think, every time an assault has range on you, that's how he feels when you come around the corner in his face. Seems fair.
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        |  Geth Massredux
 ZionTCD
 Legacy Rising
 
 72
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 13:43:00 -
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 Mortal Maximus wrote:Ok, so i understand that heavies are a beast and the person should be equipped with whatever it takes to take him out. But, i mean are u serious, you're telling me that from a about a 35 to 40 yrd radius (don't judge me on distance if incorrect :/) you're able to eat off the sheild and armor off a heavy effortlessly? now that's just absurd. Doesn't any heavy agree with me on this matter? o.O Yea even though its frustrating now that every death is from a GEK. But its how the game goes
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        |  Saj T
 IT'S NO USE
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 14:07:00 -
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 Vanda-Kon wrote:Just think, every time an assault has range on you, that's how he feels when you come around the corner in his face. Seems fair.  The issue isn't that assault kill heavies at range, the issue is assault being just as good as heavies up close too.
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        |  Aighun
 Zumari Force Projection
 Caldari State
 
 668
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 14:08:00 -
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 This just goes to show how OP the heavy really is...
 
 No, wait, this just goes to show...
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        |  Travi Zyg
 G I A N T
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 14:38:00 -
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 Scalesdini wrote:If there's a GEK tearing through a heavy, good chance there are 3+ damage mods on it. By itself it's not that big of a threat, with the stacking penaltybonus they're kind of a nightmare, but I still fear 3-4 complex dmg mods on a militia AR or an exile because of their laser like precision more than a GEK with its wild recoil. 
 
 I don't think as many ppl stack dam mods as u think. I use none as a shield tank and I can still shred heavies with my duvolle or allotek. Iron sights to the face and light em up. I still tend to hide from the adv and proto heavies unless I get the jump , but on a regular day ill go toe to toe with a MLT fitted heavy and dominate. That's what you get for thinking your invincible cuz your suit Is bigger .
 
 I think the " heavy needs buff" thing come from ppl that arent doing it right. Not all cuz some of you heavies are BEAST, but am I going to engage a heavy that I can tell Is specced right or running with his logibro...no but if your dumb enough to run out into the open by yourself and start engaging multiple targets from range in your stupid mlt direcrap suit then yes your getting ripped up.
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        |  Mortal Maximus
 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
 
 10
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 14:45:00 -
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 Stinker Butt wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:please explain how I hit a heavy with almost every single bullet in a gek and still manage to die while using 3 damage mods.... I don't think you really want the answer. :) But back on topic, I don't mind GEKs at all (I'm a heavy). But I will say that when I get killed while walking around, I look at what killed me and it seems to be mostly locus grenades and geks. If a group of people are shooting at me, it's usually the guy with the gek that gets the kill.  But it's all good. The game wouldn't be fun if you didn't die on occasion.  
 True but is alot of money putting heavies on the field :( .
 
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        |  Invading Oren
 Mannar Focused Warfare
 Gallente Federation
 
 8
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 14:50:00 -
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 Wait till you find yourself against a balac's user. That thing is like an incredibly powerful SMG with the range of an AR.
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        |  zeek1227 zeek1227
 Blitzkrieg Co.
 
 172
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 14:52:00 -
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 Mortal Maximus wrote:Ok, so i understand that heavies are a beast and the person should be equipped with whatever it takes to take him out. But, i mean are u serious, you're telling me that from a about a 35 to 40 yrd radius (don't judge me on distance if incorrect :/) you're able to eat off the sheild and armor off a heavy effortlessly? now that's just absurd. Doesn't any heavy agree with me on this matter? o.O any hmg worth a crap will destroy someone using a gek
 you ever try to kill a heavy with an AR?
 it is not easy
 it involves flanking
 hopefully taking them by suprise
 and other small things to bring the fight to your advantage
 but if that heavy has even a little skill at aiming
 he will kill you
 i have been on both sides of this
 heavy is easy mode
 just because heavies get killed doesnt mean anything that kills them is op
 
 on the other hand heavies are not OP either
 taking and dealing a lot of damage is what they are for
 people need to quit QQing about it
 on both sides
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        |  Scalesdini
 Universal Allies Inc.
 
 102
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 16:06:00 -
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 Travi Zyg wrote: don't think as many ppl stack dam mods as u think. I use none as a shield tank and I can still shred heavies with my duvolle or allotek. Iron sights to the face and light em up. I still tend to hide from the adv and proto heavies unless I get the jump , but on a regular day ill go toe to toe with a MLT fitted heavy and dominate. That's what you get for thinking your invincible cuz your suit Is bigger . 
 I think the " heavy needs buff" thing come from ppl that arent doing it right. Not all cuz some of you heavies are BEAST, but am I going to engage a heavy that I can tell Is specced right or running with his logibro...no but if your dumb enough to run out into the open by yourself and start engaging multiple targets from range in your stupid mlt direcrap suit then yes your getting ripped up.
 
 I have over 500 shield/500 armor. Trust me when I say I can tell the difference between a gun with and without damage mods. More often than not, I can probably tell you exactly how many complex damage mods someone is using based on how much damage they do to me. A Duvolle with no damage mods is about the least frightening AR in the game to me, I don't care how many head shots you think you can land with your wildly inaccurate and overpriced piece of junk.
 
 Pretty sure that precisely no one said anything about militia or even standard heavy suits, we said advanced and prototype heavy suits need buffed. And it comes from the fact that advanced and proto heavy suits need a buff. It has nothing to do with talent, a lack thereof, or anything like that for anyone saying it. The suits just need buffed.
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        |  CYRAX SERVIUS
 Planetary Response Organisation
 Test Friends Please Ignore
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 16:26:00 -
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 I love my gek, never leave home without it. weaponry lvl5, enhanced damage mod, I give most heavies I encounter a run for thier money. However as previously posted going against one with logi support, suicide.
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        |  Sontie
 VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
 
 121
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 17:00:00 -
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 Think about what a heavy is. A heavily armored, slow unit that can put out a lot of damage at close to medium close range. So, knowing this, you would take into account your weaknesses, use LAV's and cover to move from place to place, and when enemies are in your "sweetspot" step out of cover and move them down. The AR (probably damage moded) will fall like wheat to the scythe. Get caught in situations that emphasize your weaknesses, and you SHOULD die. Like medium/long ranges with no cover. Like close range v shotgun.
 
 Learn to play
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        |  Mortal Maximus
 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
 
 10
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.03 17:07:00 -
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 Sontie wrote:Think about what a heavy is. A heavily armored, slow unit that can put out a lot of damage at close to medium close range. So, knowing this, you would take into account your weaknesses, use LAV's and cover to move from place to place, and when enemies are in your "sweetspot" step out of cover and move them down. The AR (probably damage moded) will fall like wheat to the scythe. Get caught in situations that emphasize your weaknesses, and you SHOULD die. Like medium/long ranges with no cover. Like close range v shotgun. 
 Learn to play
 
 Ha learn to play he says....
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        |  IRuby Heart
 DIOS EX.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 18:04:00 -
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 lol OP can't be serious, can he?
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        |  Chunky Munkey
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.03 18:18:00 -
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 Now that I think of it: I hardly ever get killed by heavies, at least not in comparison with other suits. I wouldn't have thought they suffered a disadvantage until I just thought about how much they attract my attention as bullet fodder.
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        |  XxWarlordxX97
 Internal Error.
 Negative-Feedback
 
 266
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.04 03:47:00 -
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 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:adv and proto heavys do need a buff. heavys are way to weak late game. 1+ for truth
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        |  Don Von Hulio
 UnReaL.
 
 108
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.04 05:44:00 -
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 You must've never came across someone using a Balac with 3 10% damage mods. I sneezed and tapped the trigger which insta killed the only heavy on the other team. I actually scared myself when i was using it.
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        |  The dark cloud
 Seraphim Initiative.
 CRONOS.
 
 1080
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.04 06:35:00 -
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 Screw assault rifles, a raider dropsuit with gauged nano hives and a mass driver is for the win.
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        |  Gauder Berwyck
 Deadly Blue Dots
 RISE of LEGION
 
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      | Posted - 2013.03.04 09:02:00 -
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 Who needs a GEK when you have M1 grenades?
 
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        |  fred orpaul
 Tritan-Industries
 Legacy Rising
 
 220
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.03.04 09:06:00 -
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 the geks are fine........ until you get them into proficiency and put two damage mods and a complex shield extender on them, then you can stand in front of a heavy at almost any range and melt them before they can do any thing to you.
 
 the problem is heavies really don't scale assaults scale well and scouts scale very well(off set by how much they suck in the beginning) add to this that the noob tube of this game, the AR, scales the same or better then every other weapon in the game, and heavies are just dominated by every thing running an AR (or a SG the natural counter to the heavy) in the end game, with the exception of AR heavies because the hit box of a heavy makes it a tasty treat for the HMG( HMGs out damage ARs but miss most of their shots, for example I can stay in a HMG stream longer with a scout>assault>logi*<>heavy (*depending on level and tank)).
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