DUST Search - Question about tanks

Pokey Dravon wrote:

I personally like armor, more HP overall though at the moment armor kinda gets screwed by most AV, as they are very weak against Remote Explosives, Proxy Mines, AV Grenades, and Swarms, all because they're explosive damage. Forge guns are Kinetic, which is armor's second worse damage type next to explosive damage. Basically Armor is getting the ****** end of stuck due to the act that almost all AV weapons are highly effective against it.

Now the addition of the Plasma Cannon will be interesting, Shield tankers have enjoyed a lack of Thermal and EM AV weapons (save Flux grenades, which are more difficult to use than AV's) so the addition of a light Thermal AV weapon to shoot at those shield tanks might change a lot of people's minds about which tank type to use...but we'll see.

In most cases, my Madrugar has easily beaten most shield tanks with the exception of the Shield Railgun Glass Cannon, which is a tricky one to counter because it's DPS is so insanely high. Generally speaing though, armor tanks are take a pretty hefty beating and have enough EHP to survive Warbarge Orbitals, where shield tanks can stack on a lot more DPS and outrun incoming damage due to high acceleration. I think each serve their own purpose and have a place on the battlefield, it's just a matter of personal preference.

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Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 46	Posted - 2013.03.02 01:26:00 - [1] - Quote Madrugar or Gunnlogi? I've seen more players use the Madrugar and say its better than the Gunnlogi, but is that not an armour tank? Are shield tanks not more powerful?
Mr Zitro Imperfects Negative-Feedback 419	Posted - 2013.03.02 01:28:00 - [2] - Quote Armor tanks= anti infantry Shield tanks= better at anti instillations
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die 46	Posted - 2013.03.02 01:31:00 - [3] - Quote Oh, thanks for telling me this, I was going to skill into Gunnlogis +1
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 486	Posted - 2013.03.02 01:35:00 - [4] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: Oh, thanks for telling me this, I was going to skill into Gunnlogis +1 Please do
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 65	Posted - 2013.03.02 01:39:00 - [5] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Armor tanks= anti infantry Shield tanks= better at anti instillations That's just what CCP wants you to think... /s But in all seriousness, I feel Shield tanks are better at scaring infantry by being this fast-moving bundle of dread that they can't kill with their AV 'nades.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 489	Posted - 2013.03.02 01:46:00 - [6] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Armor tanks= anti infantry Shield tanks= better at anti instillations That's just what CCP wants you to think... /s But in all seriousness, I feel Shield tanks are better at scaring infantry by being this fast-moving bundle of dread that they can't kill with their AV 'nades. Played with Zitro? Guess not lol. He is a moving death machine of fear No ego boost or anything hehe.
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 14	Posted - 2013.03.02 01:49:00 - [7] - Quote I do armor simply because I don't explode to collisions. The shield tanks don't have a AV weapon besides flux that does extra damage to them. Don't under estimate them there speed allows them to re deploy and wrack up kills. Still prefer my madrugar though.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 473	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:11:00 - [8] - Quote Shield=AV Armor=AI Personally I went Shield to wreck other tanks
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 500	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:13:00 - [9] - Quote slap26 wrote: Shield=AV Armor=AI Personally I went Shield to wreck other tanks Then I rep your dps and get in your face.
nakaya indigene ZionTCD Legacy Rising 44	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:23:00 - [10] - Quote gunnlogi with blaster : + anti infantry + resist missiles and explosives - weak vs tanks -weak vs em weapons (forge) gunnlogi with rail : + anti tank +anti installation + ranged anti infantry(not as good as blaster) - slow turret rotation - orbital kills you easy Madruagur with Blaster + anti infantry +anti tank due to resist and armor - weak to explosive -slow Madruagur with rail: Buffer tank with damage mods. suicide ganker missiles --- dont bother

Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1032	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:24:00 - [11] - Quote Madrugar is easier to use.
nakaya indigene ZionTCD Legacy Rising 44	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:28:00 - [12] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Madrugar is easier to use. that depends on your fit. also ease of use is subjective to the user. shields are for ninjas and armor is for defensive or aggressive straight liners.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 502	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:29:00 - [13] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Madrugar is easier to use. Pfffff a lot more task then gunnlogi. You mountain dweller you lol
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 726	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:29:00 - [14] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Armor tanks= anti infantry Shield tanks= better at anti instillations That's just what CCP wants you to think... /s But in all seriousness, I feel Shield tanks are better at scaring infantry by being this fast-moving bundle of dread that they can't kill with their AV 'nades. Played with Zitro? Guess not lol. He is a moving death machine of fear No ego boost or anything hehe. Don't get preggers bra. From all that unprotected tank riding you do.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 502	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:34:00 - [15] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Delanus Turgias wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Armor tanks= anti infantry Shield tanks= better at anti instillations That's just what CCP wants you to think... /s But in all seriousness, I feel Shield tanks are better at scaring infantry by being this fast-moving bundle of dread that they can't kill with their AV 'nades. Played with Zitro? Guess not lol. He is a moving death machine of fear No ego boost or anything hehe. Don't get preggers bra. From all that unprotected tank riding you do. I drive my own, He's the one who pulls up next to me and offers me a ride
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2307	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:37:00 - [16] - Quote Mr Zitro wrote: Armor tanks= anti infantry Shield tanks= better at anti instillations Pretty much this for the short answer Delanus Turgias wrote: Mr Zitro wrote: Armor tanks= anti infantry Shield tanks= better at anti instillations That's just what CCP wants you to think... /s But in all seriousness, I feel Shield tanks are better at scaring infantry by being this fast-moving bundle of dread that they can't kill with their AV 'nades. meh being fast dont mean much vs infantry if ur running away a WELL fitted armor tank with blaster will scare infantry more because of its ability to soak up loads of dmg shield tanks will back off after a forge hit or 2 if they hardeners arent active Shield tanks however make better TDs (Tank destroyers) Armor can get a decent TD fit as well but cant match the dmg output that shields can produce
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2307	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:39:00 - [17] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Madrugar is easier to use. actually no shields are easier to use armor is slower + alot more active mods to manage than shields plus alot more ez mode AV stuff atm gives bonus dmg to armor AV nades lock on Swarms lock on none really take skill
Chances Ghost Prototype Technology Corp. 14	Posted - 2013.03.02 03:41:00 - [18] - Quote madrugger is a brawler, up close and personal gets intpo the thick of things and stays there Gunnlogi is a gorrilla fighter, gets in causes damage and gets out hit and run style
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 596	Posted - 2013.03.02 05:25:00 - [19] - Quote I personally like armor, more HP overall though at the moment armor kinda gets screwed by most AV, as they are very weak against Remote Explosives, Proxy Mines, AV Grenades, and Swarms, all because they're explosive damage. Forge guns are Kinetic, which is armor's second worse damage type next to explosive damage. Basically Armor is getting the ****** end of stuck due to the act that almost all AV weapons are highly effective against it. Now the addition of the Plasma Cannon will be interesting, Shield tankers have enjoyed a lack of Thermal and EM AV weapons (save Flux grenades, which are more difficult to use than AV's) so the addition of a light Thermal AV weapon to shoot at those shield tanks might change a lot of people's minds about which tank type to use...but we'll see. In most cases, my Madrugar has easily beaten most shield tanks with the exception of the Shield Railgun Glass Cannon, which is a tricky one to counter because it's DPS is so insanely high. Generally speaing though, armor tanks are take a pretty hefty beating and have enough EHP to survive Warbarge Orbitals, where shield tanks can stack on a lot more DPS and outrun incoming damage due to high acceleration. I think each serve their own purpose and have a place on the battlefield, it's just a matter of personal preference.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 510	Posted - 2013.03.02 05:32:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I personally like armor, more HP overall though at the moment armor kinda gets screwed by most AV, as they are very weak against Remote Explosives, Proxy Mines, AV Grenades, and Swarms, all because they're explosive damage. Forge guns are Kinetic, which is armor's second worse damage type next to explosive damage. Basically Armor is getting the ****** end of stuck due to the act that almost all AV weapons are highly effective against it. Now the addition of the Plasma Cannon will be interesting, Shield tankers have enjoyed a lack of Thermal and EM AV weapons (save Flux grenades, which are more difficult to use than AV's) so the addition of a light Thermal AV weapon to shoot at those shield tanks might change a lot of people's minds about which tank type to use...but we'll see. In most cases, my Madrugar has easily beaten most shield tanks with the exception of the Shield Railgun Glass Cannon, which is a tricky one to counter because it's DPS is so insanely high. Generally speaing though, armor tanks are take a pretty hefty beating and have enough EHP to survive Warbarge Orbitals, where shield tanks can stack on a lot more DPS and outrun incoming damage due to high acceleration. I think each serve their own purpose and have a place on the battlefield, it's just a matter of personal preference. I always sneak up on the cannons. But, I do think they should remove AV from starter fits when the new AV comes out, This way we see a variety of AV weapons, instead of all the ones that hurt armor.

WyrmHero1945 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 25	Posted - 2013.03.02 06:35:00 - [21] - Quote I had the pleasure of getting into the tank of mr. zitro and wow, thing's a beast. You have to think that most AV are good vs armor (missiles, grenades, explosives). But if you want to use blaster as main gun the Gallente tank is the best choice because of the 4% bonus for blasters. I'm personally going to wait for the railgun tank since Caldari tanks get bonus for the useless missiles, and I'm loving railguns overall.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 517	Posted - 2013.03.02 06:38:00 - [22] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: I had the pleasure of getting into the tank of mr. zitro and wow, thing's a beast. You have to think that most AV are good vs armor (missiles, grenades, explosives). But if you want to use blaster as main gun the Gallente tank is the best choice because of the 4% bonus for blasters. I'm personally going to wait for the railgun tank since Caldari tanks get bonus for the useless missiles, and I'm loving railguns overall. LASER TANKS!!!!!
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 4	Posted - 2013.03.02 06:40:00 - [23] - Quote I can agree with you there wyrm. I just got into HAV operation and found that the Railgun is my favourite main turret set up. Using it early game lets ti shut down emplacement before decent gunners can get on them.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 65	Posted - 2013.03.02 06:42:00 - [24] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: I had the pleasure of getting into the tank of mr. zitro and wow, thing's a beast. You have to think that most AV are good vs armor (missiles, grenades, explosives). But if you want to use blaster as main gun the Gallente tank is the best choice because of the 4% bonus for blasters. I'm personally going to wait for the railgun tank since Caldari tanks get bonus for the useless missiles, and I'm loving railguns overall. LASER TANKS!!!!! Laser Tanks are going to be hilarious. Imagine the rage when you're hacking an objective and are suddenly reduced to a pile of slag by the laser tank behind the redline. Long Range Anti-Infantry=win
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1071	Posted - 2013.03.02 06:44:00 - [25] - Quote Just a warning in a tank vs tank fight shield tanks have the upper hand cause of the 3 damage mods and a railgun on a sagaris which 2 shots allmost everything in the game. Suryas are no exception. Sure they have nice armor reps but in the end their reps mean nothing when getting hit by a proto railgun. Another thing is resistance against AV, at the moment its like this: Shield tank resistance profile: swarms/av mines/av grenades= 69% damage caused forgeguns= 100% damage caused flux grenades= 129% damage caused (on shields, armor damage is still 0%) Armor tank resistance profile: swarms/av mines/av grenades: 129% damage caused forgeguns= 100% damage caused flux grenades= 0% damage caused ( still hurts its shields but they have only minimal shields) So shield tanks have more resistance against the most common AV in the game. Armor tanks have only 1 advantage against forgeguns and that is because they simply have more HP. Another thing is armor tanking is risky cause 1 guy with packed av grenades can cause insane damage or blow you up. In my opinion armor tanks are not as good as people think. when we ever get a buff to missiles to make them usefull against infantry then you will see them again. And that means they can be pretty fatal against armor tanks due to the 30% extra damage. And armor tankers fear the most brutal weapon against them. Proto swarms with multiple damage mods. If you use that you only need like 3 volleys to take them down.
Wako 75 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 76	Posted - 2013.03.02 06:44:00 - [26] - Quote pros and cons to both but i would go with madruger
WyrmHero1945 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 25	Posted - 2013.03.02 06:49:00 - [27] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: I had the pleasure of getting into the tank of mr. zitro and wow, thing's a beast. You have to think that most AV are good vs armor (missiles, grenades, explosives). But if you want to use blaster as main gun the Gallente tank is the best choice because of the 4% bonus for blasters. I'm personally going to wait for the railgun tank since Caldari tanks get bonus for the useless missiles, and I'm loving railguns overall. LASER TANKS!!!!! Hahaha OP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 606	Posted - 2013.03.03 19:09:00 - [28] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: I always sneak up on the cannons. But, I do think they should remove AV from starter fits when the new AV comes out, This way we see a variety of AV weapons, instead of all the ones that hurt armor. So do I, but I have problems in corp battles when the glass cannon is focused on me, makes it a bit trickier to sneak around when the other tank is watching my every move on the overview.
Sergey Topchiy Academy Inferno 0	Posted - 2013.03.03 19:48:00 - [29] - Quote If u goimg to train shield tanK, 80% that u will use blaster on gunlogi as minmatar tanks, in close cobmbat whith armor tank whith same sp skilled u will lose, couse blaster makes 120% dmg to shields, whith rail in mid and long distance u will win, tryed missiles last night, they still broken, but they got some fix, i began to train em, whith launchers u will kill armor tanks in mid-close combat but atm u will sux whith troops.


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