Is this why fighting on uneven ground randomly has my MD dealing no damage to someone I just planted a shot inches from their feet? It is damn annoying to be sure.

I've brought this up a few times. It's not the mass driver, it's all explosions.

Explosions act like cylinders, not spheres, projecting out of the plane the radius creates, rather than projecting outward in all directions from the focal point. If the horizontal plane is impaired, the explosion doesn't extend beyond that point, even if there's a clear direct line from the center of the explosion to that (usually elevated) position.

I noticed this, awfully annoying, means I have to try hit someone above me directly to do damage.

+1

Dear CCP please code AOE damage as a sphere instead of a 2D surface map




One thing i cant help but wonder is weather the flux granades suffer the same problem or weather they are coded spherical like everything should be


Does anyone have any insight into the coding of flux granades?

According to Seraphim's representative, it is all explosives.

Mass drivers are cool weapons but they have a ridiculous AOE range. They have twice the blast range of a frag missile and can waste squads easily in cqb without hurting your own team. I think these issues need to be looked at as well.

It's not fine. The AR users and snipers get to complain about hit detection, so why not us?

You are kidding yourself if you think they won't continue to call for MD nerfs until it is a direct hit weapon.

I don't really care about the damage. It's a grenade, ain't it? My issue with the MD is the fact that users can point-blank you without taking a single tiny hit to their shield. Yet if I throw a grenade and I'm too close when it goes off, I not only lose my shield, I usually just die. I've never seen a grenade launcher in a game that didn't inflict damage on the wielder if they used it stupidly.

as mainly MD user i'm going to have to disagree. this "bug" is the MDs only weakness, and needs to remain, hell they already want to nerf us, i dont think we need a buff. just accept it as the MDs weakness when someone elevates to you. also saying that when they jump over our blasts they recieve no damage, that is not true, i've helped them jump further and higher (ragdoll) on many occasions. the MDs fine, leave it alone.

Keeping something broken for balance purposes is counter intuitive - you fix things that are broken and then re-balance it based on the fixed version.

Also, something does seem to have changed with self-damage since I used MDs back in the codex build. I am told by current users that you do get self-damage but I can't count the number of times I've been MDd at point blank range and the firer has taken no damage at all. Especially in the indoor areas using a MD should be basically insta-suicide.

i figured that would be common knowledge, a self thrown grenade damages you doesn't it?

I'm just relaying my personal experiences of people MDing me from a meter away and taking no damage themselves.

Haven't used the MD in a long time but I can say with 100% certainty that CCP has stated that it's spherical, not horizontal. Maybe they're just outside of the sphere because, by being at the top of said hill, the round is hitting toward the base of the hill? Essentially what I'm trying to suggest is that the curvature of the hill isn't relative to the round's sphere, which is coded to be a certain radius no matter what - so the distance from the round to the target isn't a straight line it's an arc.

http://www.intuitor.com/student/ArtilleryProblem.jpg

Looking at the explosion, the distance is the same in all directions. 5m is 5m no matter what angle it is; so if they are 5m away from the explosion, but 3m higher; they're not within the radius.

Essentially what it boils down to is that it's not a flat-plain, so the 'x' and 'y' axis (while still being in effect) don't actually account for the 'z' axis.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/thumb/f/fb/Z_axis.jpg/300px-Z_axis.jpg

On a grid of 6x6x6, if the round hit at -3 on the 'z' axis it's only going to reach up to +2 with 5 radius, so anymore than that and they're out of the blast radius. It might -seem- as though the round is hitting nearby but the distance is technically longer than sight is accounting for.

I see the logic and it is really annoying watching people jump over the explosions so +1

Boo hoo

I use a MD primarily and there is something that has bothered me heavily for the past few weeks.....and that is the failure of CCP to code properly a slash matrix where the damage is proportional to height as well as distance. Here's what I mean:

Basically the MD works on a horizontal damage frame, if you hit the player it's a clear hit, if you hit near the player on the ground it's splash damage. BUT....if the player happens to be at an elevation higher or lower than the hit point, there is literally zero damage done. Half Life 1 had this issue, where if you threw a grenade at an NPC...but the NPC happened to be on a stairway, or on some sort of canister that raised their "feet" to a different level....the grenade (explosive) did literally no damage. It's pretty much the exact same way in Dust 514.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the MD....and those who played against me in MAG remember how much I loved the noob tube. But even MAG, for all its coding failures, still was able to properly code a noob tube into gameplay. If I fire a shot at someone, and it lands near them...it should do an upward damage of AT LEAST 1 character height, and downward of AT LEAST 1 half a character's height.

Basically a shell should do damage downward, sideways, and upward...not just sideways horizontal to the specific horizontal coordinate that the shell landed on. In other words, the damage should be a reflective arc.

Am I wrong? Or does anyone else see the logic in this?