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Do not separate by controller type; you will destroy the game community.

No, just no. We are all in this sandbox together. The last thing we need is putting up artificial walls between each other. The community is one of the most vital aspects of this game. The game is what brings you in, but its the community that makes you stay.

Anything that tries to divide up the community it something that will hurt the success of this game.

Getting rid of "hot join/pub" games from a console FPS is a faster way to kill this game than to segregate Kb/M support.

Unless CCP is purposely attempting to sabotage their own game, this isn't true.
Despite the fact this comes form EvE and has a large "hardcore" fanbase, that doesn't eliminate the fact that it has an even larger "casual" fanbase, and you can't remove pubbies without removing the casual audience.

On the topic of the thread, I agree, don't segregate based on controller choice.

Feel free to explain how matchmaking factoring in controller type is going to do anything other than assign people to games based on that.

As a player that has spent equal time on both inputs in this game I'd have to say the gap is much smaller than I expected from an infantry point of view. Being a life long PC gamer KB/m feels much more natural and did help my game a bit, although situational awareness is really where it is at. You get it in the back or side it doesn't much matter what your input is.

For that reason I think it is stupid to even consider any match making tweaks based on input.

KB/m is just not practical for vehicles as the current turn speed with the mouse is just too slow. You have to hybrid ds3/ kbm to get the most from a vehicle. Maybe fix that first before coming up with crazy match making algorithms.

PS the mouse speed is still way too slow even for infantry.

Also fix ds3 input.... Not nearly as polished and smooth as any other fps I've tried on ps3.

@Tiel:

What I reckon the idea is would be something like this:

If there are sixteen players with keyboard and mouse, and they're all going into a pub game, the matchmaking system would try to divide them as evenly as possible. Eight to each side, give or take a couple. And even then, this isn't necessarily a primary factor in the matchmaking, but most likely just something that will be taken into account, because, um, that's exactly what Wang said.


If they changed the matchmaking system to do a better job of taking, e.g. four full squads and sixteen randoms, and making two teams of two squads and eight randoms each, instead of three-squads-plus-four vs. one-squad-plus-twelve, would you call that "segregation," too?
Would you really have a problem with that approach to placing squads and randoms in teams? Personally, I'm tired of the redline-fests, no matter which side I land on. (although one end of that equation is significantly more frustrating)

Would folks really have issues with a minor change in how the randoms fill out your team? If you have three KB/M users in your squad, and there're two in mine, and there're five KB/M users in the pile of randoms when all of us join a game, is it really that big of a deal if you guys get two of the KB/M randoms, and we get the other three? Or if both our squads are on the same side, and there're two squads that have no KB/M users, sticking all five of those randoms over there, and only giving us randoms with DS3 controllers? I just don't see the problem.

Or is it that you guys think that this controller-as-factor-somewhere-in-the-matchmaking-process thing will involve breaking up preformed squads or something? 'Cause he didn't say anything about that, either. That I would definitely not like to see, but I really doubt they would do it, so, yeah. I'm not worried.


Anyway, my only point is that I really do think y'all are freaking out over somthing imaginary, or at least not yet known. He wrote two sentences that barely contain any information, and people are acting like the sky is falling.

How did you interpret "taking controller input into account" as "segregating based on controller input"?

I really do not see the gap. Is this part of an on going conversation where I'm missing serious context?

Or are you just being a sensationalist attempting to stir up a lot of confusion and trolling based on some wild assumptions?


I'm guessing the latter...


- To be sure, kb/m is the superior controller for fps. I will definitely buy one if DUST becomes something worth dedicating the money to. I really appreciate the ability to hook up kb/m to DUST, as it's one of the features I feel most console shooters drop the ball on... Why cripple yourself with inferior tech?

- The sensitivity speeds should definitely be tweaked to prevent very high turn speeds, but this is a balancing issues, not an input issue or even a matchmaking issue.

- There is an argument to consider for matchmaking and input device, namely that kb/m should be considered slightly better than controller for grading purposes. However it does not (and I do not feel it is implied by their note) that they should segregate the playerbase.