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Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1114	Posted - 2013.03.01 18:49:00 - [31] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: In my opinion the who purpose of CPM 0 is to pave they way to CPM 1. CPM 1 should be an elected organization that acts a Dust 514 stakeholder representing the community. CPM 1 should work with the CSM on Eve/Dust Interaction. CPM 1 should represent F2P players that put sweat equity into the game, but don't necessarily put in money directly. I will not being running for CPM 1, but I want to see it established. So you do realize that there can't be an elected dust cpm from a psn stand point right? I have 11 psn/dust accounts myself and have no problem makeing 100s to just stuff a ballot box. yeah you could put an sp min in but I still have all 11 of them earning passive sp so a year from now they will have mroe then enough. sorry but i would rather stick to eve side csm and not elect players that don't know eve to have an effect on it. That and you are a scrub (is not biased by tags)
DeltaTango19 Killshot Corp 24	Posted - 2013.03.01 18:59:00 - [32] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Kain Spero wrote: In my opinion the who purpose of CPM 0 is to pave they way to CPM 1. CPM 1 should be an elected organization that acts a Dust 514 stakeholder representing the community. CPM 1 should work with the CSM on Eve/Dust Interaction. CPM 1 should represent F2P players that put sweat equity into the game, but don't necessarily put in money directly. I will not being running for CPM 1, but I want to see it established. So you do realize that there can't be an elected dust cpm from a psn stand point right? I have 11 psn/dust accounts myself and have no problem makeing 100s to just stuff a ballot box. yeah you could put an sp min in but I still have all 11 of them earning passive sp so a year from now they will have mroe then enough. sorry but i would rather stick to eve side csm and not elect players that don't know eve to have an effect on it. That and you are a scrub (is not biased by tags) You can only have 1 PSN master account, per ps3. I'm not sure if limiting the vote to the master account is possible, but that would allow for a fair voting system. If you wanna buy a hundred PS3's and make 100 master accounts just to stuff the ballot box then i would say you deserve 100 votes.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 971	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:01:00 - [33] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Kain Spero wrote: In my opinion the who purpose of CPM 0 is to pave they way to CPM 1. CPM 1 should be an elected organization that acts a Dust 514 stakeholder representing the community. CPM 1 should work with the CSM on Eve/Dust Interaction. CPM 1 should represent F2P players that put sweat equity into the game, but don't necessarily put in money directly. I will not being running for CPM 1, but I want to see it established. So you do realize that there can't be an elected dust cpm from a psn stand point right? I have 11 psn/dust accounts myself and have no problem makeing 100s to just stuff a ballot box. yeah you could put an sp min in but I still have all 11 of them earning passive sp so a year from now they will have mroe then enough. sorry but i would rather stick to eve side csm and not elect players that don't know eve to have an effect on it. That and you are a scrub (is not biased by tags) Passive SP can be easily eliminated from the equation by subtracting the following: time since character creation date minus passive sp accrual). Time played is another bar you can use.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2303	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:04:00 - [34] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Right now we're trying to form the white papers for the CPM and figure out a voting process for CPM 1. who exactly is part of this again?
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1114	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:11:00 - [35] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Free Beers wrote: Kain Spero wrote: In my opinion the who purpose of CPM 0 is to pave they way to CPM 1. CPM 1 should be an elected organization that acts a Dust 514 stakeholder representing the community. CPM 1 should work with the CSM on Eve/Dust Interaction. CPM 1 should represent F2P players that put sweat equity into the game, but don't necessarily put in money directly. I will not being running for CPM 1, but I want to see it established. So you do realize that there can't be an elected dust cpm from a psn stand point right? I have 11 psn/dust accounts myself and have no problem makeing 100s to just stuff a ballot box. yeah you could put an sp min in but I still have all 11 of them earning passive sp so a year from now they will have mroe then enough. sorry but i would rather stick to eve side csm and not elect players that don't know eve to have an effect on it. That and you are a scrub (is not biased by tags) Passive SP can be easily eliminated from the equation by subtracting the following: time since character creation date minus passive sp accrual). Time played is another bar you can use. I have paid for passive boosters on most accounts. So bullshit that idea that I dont get a vote with those accounts because they are mostly passive accounts. How is that fair against random scrubs that don't buy an aurum yet I do. If I pay I vote. ** all that other noise. Frankly if you dont pay to play this game your opinions and votes should mean **. Maybe there should be a aurum purchased minimum instead of sp. Still just selfimportant circle jerk to me
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2934	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:14:00 - [36] - Quote slystylz vassar wrote: I want it all right now to just blow my mind! Exploration, symbiotic connection to another platform and with depth so deep you can't help but sweat from antisipaton. I want a new player of every kind to enjoy something in this game so they want to come back curious and wanting more. I want squad benefits, corp benefits, training benefits, and custom everything and I want it all right now! Find a way to feed my desire and we are done with Dust514 beta. CPM, is the start of making this happen sooner. The game developers are human they can only go so fast and so far in such a short time.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2934	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:17:00 - [37] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Right now we're trying to form the white papers for the CPM and figure out a voting process for CPM 1. who exactly is part of this again? Anyone who wants. The white papers are an awful mess becuase there seems to real solution in sight that covers all the issues which is why we're a little desperate for new ideas. After all if a new guy comes up not thinking its impossible he may have a suggestion that makes it possible. While I see offical Dust CSM nominations being an easy hurdle to jump over. The voting process needs to be fair, hard to exploit, and represents everyone who wants to vote. The arugment for a seperate or combined council. Then managment of the council by the council and the concil's responsbility to all of us. Chances are that all the current drafters will probably never run for CPM in the future once its offical.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2934	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:21:00 - [38] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Free Beers wrote: Kain Spero wrote: In my opinion the who purpose of CPM 0 is to pave they way to CPM 1. CPM 1 should be an elected organization that acts a Dust 514 stakeholder representing the community. CPM 1 should work with the CSM on Eve/Dust Interaction. CPM 1 should represent F2P players that put sweat equity into the game, but don't necessarily put in money directly. I will not being running for CPM 1, but I want to see it established. So you do realize that there can't be an elected dust cpm from a psn stand point right? I have 11 psn/dust accounts myself and have no problem makeing 100s to just stuff a ballot box. yeah you could put an sp min in but I still have all 11 of them earning passive sp so a year from now they will have mroe then enough. sorry but i would rather stick to eve side csm and not elect players that don't know eve to have an effect on it. That and you are a scrub (is not biased by tags) Passive SP can be easily eliminated from the equation by subtracting the following: time since character creation date minus passive sp accrual). Time played is another bar you can use. I have paid for passive boosters on most accounts. So bullshit that idea that I dont get a vote with those accounts because they are mostly passive accounts. How is that fair against random scrubs that don't buy an aurum yet I do. If I pay I vote. ** all that other noise. Frankly if you dont pay to play this game your opinions and votes should mean *. Maybe there should be a aurum purchased minimum instead of sp. Still just selfimportant circle jerk to me Stop self jerking a bit then. I am also against Kain's on the SP idea, its too easy to game out and it may illegtimize what could have been a valid voter one year may not be a valid voter the next year, after all FPS gamers will migrate to and from dust 514 during breaks between expansions or when the newest 'halogen call of warfare battlezone'* game comes out. But at least we agree that it will remain a disagreement.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 972	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:45:00 - [39] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Right now we're trying to form the white papers for the CPM and figure out a voting process for CPM 1. who exactly is part of this again? You stopped by before so you are included in the CPM 0.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 973	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:49:00 - [40] - Quote Free Beers wrote: I have paid for passive boosters on most accounts. So bullshit that idea that I dont get a vote with those accounts because they are mostly passive accounts. How is that fair against random scrubs that don't buy an aurum yet I do. If I pay I vote. ** all that other noise. Frankly if you dont pay to play this game your opinions and votes should mean **. Maybe there should be a aurum purchased minimum instead of sp. Still just selfimportant circle jerk to me If someone happens to end up with more votes because of a passive SP booster then I see that as the system working as intended. I don't mind if scenarios present themselves that give more weight to people who put in money, but I never want to see a voting system that silences the person who puts time into the game but doesn't put money in. One of the keys to a successful F2P game is the fact that it is free helps to ensure that the player count is kept high so that the people who do pay into the system always have someone to fight. Think of it this way: Players who put a lot of time into the game but not money are providing game content. That's their payment into the system.

slystylz vassar Military Gamers 9	Posted - 2013.03.01 19:54:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: slystylz vassar wrote: I want it all right now to just blow my mind! Exploration, symbiotic connection to another platform and with depth so deep you can't help but sweat from antisipaton. I want a new player of every kind to enjoy something in this game so they want to come back curious and wanting more. I want squad benefits, corp benefits, training benefits, and custom everything and I want it all right now! Find a way to feed my desire and we are done with Dust514 beta. CPM, is the start of making this happen sooner. The game developers are human they can only go so fast and so far in such a short time. I'm a programmer too, and I completely understand. I'm just excited to see this develop and progress, and as a player and end user I want to help. I believe as things develop and evolve, having a CPM in place will move things along with a bit more consideration and validation applied for a superior product as the final result. I would like to see the CPM0 as a separate entity to Eve Online CSM8, this year. But, how to vote? Right? Yeah.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1116	Posted - 2013.03.01 20:55:00 - [42] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Free Beers wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Free Beers wrote: Kain Spero wrote: In my opinion the who purpose of CPM 0 is to pave they way to CPM 1. CPM 1 should be an elected organization that acts a Dust 514 stakeholder representing the community. CPM 1 should work with the CSM on Eve/Dust Interaction. CPM 1 should represent F2P players that put sweat equity into the game, but don't necessarily put in money directly. I will not being running for CPM 1, but I want to see it established. So you do realize that there can't be an elected dust cpm from a psn stand point right? I have 11 psn/dust accounts myself and have no problem makeing 100s to just stuff a ballot box. yeah you could put an sp min in but I still have all 11 of them earning passive sp so a year from now they will have mroe then enough. sorry but i would rather stick to eve side csm and not elect players that don't know eve to have an effect on it. That and you are a scrub (is not biased by tags) Passive SP can be easily eliminated from the equation by subtracting the following: time since character creation date minus passive sp accrual). Time played is another bar you can use. I have paid for passive boosters on most accounts. So bullshit that idea that I dont get a vote with those accounts because they are mostly passive accounts. How is that fair against random scrubs that don't buy an aurum yet I do. If I pay I vote. ** all that other noise. Frankly if you dont pay to play this game your opinions and votes should mean *. Maybe there should be a aurum purchased minimum instead of sp. Still just selfimportant circle jerk to me Stop self jerking a bit then. I am also against Kain's on the SP idea, its too easy to game out and it may illegtimize what could have been a valid voter one year may not be a valid voter the next year, after all FPS gamers will migrate to and from dust 514 during breaks between expansions or when the newest 'halogen call of warfare battlezone'* game comes out. But at least we agree that it will remain a disagreement. Wow now. Self jerking is a part of all mens lives and something that should not be spoken ill of. Sorry as a jew nerd I have learned that sometimes its better to stay home, jerk it, and use the money saved to further my nerdtopia life style. That said, I noticed you have offered an opinion in the forums regarding a proposed idea by kain regarding voting for cpm1. It wasn't so hard now was it? Matter of fact maybe you could go further and start a thread asking for the communities opinions on the matter. I actually have no opinion on the cpm0 or anything discussed in this thread. I was just making stuff up to create a discussion. It's that easy and I think a lot of players would appreciate being involved.
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 345	Posted - 2013.03.01 21:24:00 - [43] - Quote Free Beers wrote: We have the irc and forums at moment and it seems ccp is talking to us give it up. Get in IRC scrub.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2942	Posted - 2013.03.01 21:28:00 - [44] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Wow now. Self jerking is a part of all mens lives and something that should not be spoken ill of. Sorry as a jew nerd I have learned that sometimes its better to stay home, jerk it, and use the money saved to further my nerdtopia life style. That said, I noticed you have offered an opinion in the forums regarding a proposed idea by kain regarding voting for cpm1. It wasn't so hard now was it? Matter of fact maybe you could go further and start a thread asking for the communities opinions on the matter. I actually have no opinion on the cpm0 or anything discussed in this thread. I was just making stuff up to create a discussion. It's that easy and I think a lot of players would appreciate being involved. Very well then Ill take that. As for the reason why I wait to post is to sort of create a discussion where sides have been collected laid out and fleshed out a bit and reasoned and then allow peers to review similar to a scholarly article but not that formal. The heaviest pretext however on the issue itself and lesser emphasis on solutions to make easier crowd sourcing. When I bring up the issue Ill probably state my opinion in a separate post after some replies. As for the CPM the reinvention is still going on so bleh lots of work and no progress...
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 979	Posted - 2013.03.01 21:41:00 - [45] - Quote I think the clearest point we can make now is that the #DustCPM channel isn't the CPM. That only comes into existence after it's elected. Right now it's just members of the community working towards some common goals and everyone willing to put in some constructive help is welcome to be part of that. It's also serving as a place to set aside the in-game BS and focus on the community and making Dust 514 successful.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1116	Posted - 2013.03.01 21:56:00 - [46] - Quote Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Free Beers wrote: We have the irc and forums at moment and it seems ccp is talking to us give it up. Get in IRC scrub. No. CCP already hates me for calling them out on their bullshit. Plus CCP FoxFour is my new bff in the forums.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2942	Posted - 2013.03.01 22:04:00 - [47] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Telcontar Dunedain wrote: Free Beers wrote: We have the irc and forums at moment and it seems ccp is talking to us give it up. Get in IRC scrub. No. CCP already hates me for calling them out on their bullshit. Plus CCP FoxFour is my new bff in the forums. He trolls us in the IRC channel too.


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