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DeltaTango19
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Posted - 2013.03.01 16:23:00 -
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Quote:Right now we're having the issue of voters and vote handling, unlike eve online we have free accounts here and CPM feels leaving the 'freebies' out is disenfranchising but in the end it may be the ugly necessity that only paying people could vote.
I can't help but take issue with this. In one month since open beta started, i have bought 2 merc packs and 2 starter packs. Which comes out to $60. Thats $11 short of an eve 6 month subscription, so lets say I paid for 5 months of EVE. In what world am i not entiteled to vote, beacuse dust is FTP? I am a paying customer, and therefore entitiled to a vote, i mean even if you buy $2 worth of AUR you are a paying customer. I think people don't understand that micro transaction systems make money. There are entire companies based off of micro transactions, and they are doing well. Secondly Dust is allready the majority. There are more active dust players than there are active eve players. Once CCP delivers a non-beta version those numbers will continue to increase, and eventually CCP will be making more money from Dust. So how can anyone justify not giving Dust players a vote. Especially since if we are part of the process more people will be inclined to spend money on a game, nay a universe where thier vote can effect change.
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DeltaTango19
Killshot Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.01 17:01:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DeltaTango19 wrote:Quote:Right now we're having the issue of voters and vote handling, unlike eve online we have free accounts here and CPM feels leaving the 'freebies' out is disenfranchising but in the end it may be the ugly necessity that only paying people could vote.
I can't help but take issue with this. In one month since open beta started, i have bought 2 merc packs and 2 starter packs. Which comes out to $60. Thats $11 short of an eve 6 month subscription, so lets say I paid for 5 months of EVE. In what world am i not entiteled to vote, beacuse dust is FTP? I am a paying customer, and therefore entitiled to a vote, i mean even if you buy $2 worth of AUR you are a paying customer. I think people don't understand that micro transaction systems make money. There are entire companies based off of micro transactions, and they are doing well. Secondly Dust is allready the majority. There are more active dust players than there are active eve players. Once CCP delivers a non-beta version those numbers will continue to increase, and eventually CCP will be making more money from Dust. So how can anyone justify not giving Dust players a vote. Especially since if we are part of the process more people will be inclined to spend money on a game, nay a universe where thier vote can effect change. -Delta Its a tricky subject I know, every time its brought up it gets more and more convulted every time, its one of the reasons CPM 0 exists is to discuss issues like these and work things out. I will try to compile up a good post about the voting systems talked so far and ask all you guys on the forums to pitch your own ideas as well. feel free (and anyone else) to join as at #dustcpm, we're going though a slight identity crisis right now :D
Here's the problem with that, i don't think eve players have any right to dictate or discuss if we get a vote. Even if they dabble in dust. They are eve players, with EVE as the top priority. My point was dust will soon way overshadow eve, we are currently the majority and soon we will be the majority of CCP's profits. This is bad for EVE players, and anyone with a half a brain would do everything in thier power to keep CCP's attention on EVE. It would be foolish for CSM to make decisions in dusts favor, therefore should have no say in dust's development. While this is extremly pessimistic, we are in New Eden, if there wasn't coruption and self intrest, we would be on seaseme street . |
DeltaTango19
Killshot Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.01 17:54:00 -
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Quote:The reason bad players shouldn't have a say is simple. They never believe its their own skill that determines the results. Instead they blame gear, skill bonuses, lack of sp, suits, gun, and all based on public play. It's never their fault they die.
Go back all those months at the AR is OP threads and look at the names of those people. I did and they are suck ass players. What happened with the AR Nerf? It made the Elite players better and the average ones worse. If you have elite AR skill you can adapt and over come and in reality if was the average players that realied on the "OP" AR to be better.
Also games like dust have to be balanced to the top not at the bottom.
Another thing is the game needs to be balanced to and for corp battles. My reasoning is that going foward these matter, not pve or pub stomping. I don't care if tanks are OP in pub matches (ccp needs to stop making stupid small maps and there needs to be more infantry advantaged sockets) its how are they in corp battles.
I can look at the top corps and players on leader boards (can't believe i said that) and you will see a lot of corp battle exp. More then that they have understanding of gear,tatics, and strats.
If you are an average player I'm sorry but you don't test the game at it limits like the high player does. Should average players have say in pubs/pv3 sure because winning/losing doesn't effect the universe of new eden. Dust isn't a lobby shoot long term and losing will have consequences and the game needs to be tuned that way.
I'm not a member of the cpm0 I am a member of the dust community (love me or hate me) and I dont self-segragate myself because I think I know better.
While I have my ideas this game is way more important than my ego or those of the selfappointed few.
If you have ideas bring them up there. Just look to CCP foxfour and the discussion that is occuring. Or you can go back and work on your meaningless white papers
Wow, you sir are an arrogant prick.
Quote:The reason bad players shouldn't have a say is simple. They never believe its their own skill that determines the results. Instead they blame gear, skill bonuses, lack of sp, suits, gun, and all based on public play. It's never their fault they die.
This from a psychology 100% false. It is however true of people who think they are the best. People who think they are bad at somthing blame themselves first. Somone who thinks they are infaliable, blames others and contributing factors.
Secondly i think your attitude is garbage and if people think like you do this game is doomed to fail. New players will stop playing, and dust will stop growing. I don't know why all of you "good" mercs think this way. I know you think bads are ruining your elitist paradise but you are wrong. New players are bad at first but they get better, they are the future of this game. If people stop playing this game beacuse they cater "top" players instead of average players this game will die. You said it yourself, what makes you such a "good" players is your ability to adapt. So adapt, and stop hindering this games development. |
DeltaTango19
Killshot Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:35:00 -
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Quote:I am many things but this doesn't change the fact that final 6 months in closed beta the biggest crys for nerf were from average players at best. That says a lot to me.
I agree with you about nerf threads. They are made by average players, without much experiance or understanding. But I am an average player, and have never made a nerf thread. I'm sure that the vast majority of average players however are not making nerf threads. Also i think nerf threads are foolish. But you should look at a game like LOL when looking at succesful balancing. while they do keep top lvl competitive play in mind, they balance to the median. Beacuse that is the largest % or thier player base. they also are now one of the most succesful FTP games ever. This promots growth, and makes the game succesful. Good players will always be good, skill can t be nerfed. |
DeltaTango19
Killshot Corp
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:59:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Kain Spero wrote:In my opinion the who purpose of CPM 0 is to pave they way to CPM 1.
CPM 1 should be an elected organization that acts a Dust 514 stakeholder representing the community.
CPM 1 should work with the CSM on Eve/Dust Interaction.
CPM 1 should represent F2P players that put sweat equity into the game, but don't necessarily put in money directly.
I will not being running for CPM 1, but I want to see it established.
So you do realize that there can't be an elected dust cpm from a psn stand point right? I have 11 psn/dust accounts myself and have no problem makeing 100s to just stuff a ballot box. yeah you could put an sp min in but I still have all 11 of them earning passive sp so a year from now they will have mroe then enough. sorry but i would rather stick to eve side csm and not elect players that don't know eve to have an effect on it. That and you are a scrub (is not biased by tags)
You can only have 1 PSN master account, per ps3. I'm not sure if limiting the vote to the master account is possible, but that would allow for a fair voting system. If you wanna buy a hundred PS3's and make 100 master accounts just to stuff the ballot box then i would say you deserve 100 votes. |
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