militia swarm launchers

If tank pilots are willing to spend the ISK to make their tanks awesome, and have the skills needed to evade the swarms, then they deserve to dominate. You should use AV grenades, better swarm launchers, or a forge gun (there are militia ones).

still a lot longer than i have been playing if he already has heavy suits and weapons.

I suppose i will change my feedback/request. Can the matchmaking system put rookies with other rookies that have relatively similar skill progress? If that makes any sense.

Like how high security systems keep rookies from getting spawn camped by veterans.

So you're saying i can instantly train to use better grenades, swarm launchers, and heavy weapons? (Sarcasm)

I have no problem with a tank getting 15-20 kills, its what tanks are for and all. I have a problem with tanks being untouchable for unlucky rookies. At one point in the match i started browsing the market to see if i could throw isk at the problem like you suggest. But without ALREADY having the skills trained, it is impossible to kill a tricked out tank.

I understand that the repair mechanic is a major part of the EVE universe but in this situation it is a little much.

If you are going to argue EVE parallels in this situation then can i argue that i want to stay in a high sec zone until i have more skills trained?

So you're saying i can instantly train to use better grenades, swarm launchers, and heavy weapons? (Sarcasm)

I have no problem with a tank getting 15-20 kills, its what tanks are for and all. I have a problem with tanks being untouchable for unlucky rookies. At one point in the match i started browsing the market to see if i could throw isk at the problem like you suggest. But without ALREADY having the skills trained, it is impossible to kill a tricked out tank.

I understand that the repair mechanic is a major part of the EVE universe but in this situation it is a little much.

If you are going to argue EVE parallels in this situation then can i argue that i want to stay in a high sec zone until i have more skills trained?

So you're saying i can instantly train to use better grenades, swarm launchers, and heavy weapons? (Sarcasm)

I have no problem with a tank getting 15-20 kills, its what tanks are for and all. I have a problem with tanks being untouchable for unlucky rookies. At one point in the match i started browsing the market to see if i could throw isk at the problem like you suggest. But without ALREADY having the skills trained, it is impossible to kill a tricked out tank.

I understand that the repair mechanic is a major part of the EVE universe but in this situation it is a little much.

If you are going to argue EVE parallels in this situation then can i argue that i want to stay in a high sec zone until i have more skills trained?

Scuttlebutt is that they already have a matching system in the background, but they are trying to gather more info before switching it on.

May I refer you to what it seems Dust is turning into?

http://worldoftanks.com

Tanks are going to be a reality in this game, they are going to be a very big part of the picture. People really need to stop trying to change the game, and start trying to change their playstyles to match the metagame.

Its not hard to skill up to level 2 granades and wipe out a tank with packed AV and EVERY SINGLE DUST PLAYER should have already done so and have a fit ready with them equiped

Started off, enemy immediately brought in 2 tanks. I thought "kill it, tanks aren't free". Both tanks could repair faster than 2 militia swarm launchers unloading at them. When we got a third swarm launcher on one of them, he just drove behind cover for a second and let his armor regen. Both tanks lasted all game and dominated every inch of the null cannon areas. I didnt think much when the most expensive assault rifle could kill me in 2-3 bullets because I could still kill them first if i managed to get headshots. But when 2 or 3 veterans can ensure victory from the start of the game no matter what, it makes me think something is wrong. Its not like i can instantly learn all the skills needed to pilot a tank. The only way i could think of to kill one would be orbital strike. However, with 2 tanks dominating our only spawn points from afar, we had no chance of building up enough points for a strike. I ask again, is this intended? Clone count was 50 to 120 and their MCC shields werent even down to half yet.

The more general problem is putting rookies in with vets, doesn't matter if it's a tank or a squad of proto suits. By the time people get 10mil SP, a new player won't have a chance.

Tanks are going to be a reality in this game, they are going to be a very big part of the picture. People really need to stop trying to change the game, and start trying to change their playstyles to match the metagame.

Its not hard to skill up to level 2 granades and wipe out a tank with packed AV and EVERY SINGLE DUST PLAYER should have already done so and have a fit ready with them equiped

The good old packed AV yes it is quite good against militia tanks and to some degree against advanced armor tanks, but they are not so usefull against shield tanks.

The biggest balancing problem I see here is the following you can't be good at AV and anti infantry at the same time whereas a tank can. So to be efficient against tanks you put yourself at a high risk against infantry and most likely get slaughtered. I think thats the reason why only few people really go AV when they see a tank, most people just try to avoid the tank as good as possible...

It's a long, painful road to travel, but if you train the hell out of SMG & sidearm skills, you will still be formidable against infantry while carrying around a Forge or Swarm.

Also, Militia Swarms are practically useless with the reduced clip size; just pay the 12k SP for Standard if you want to use them. Then head for the hills and set up a nest for yourself with nanohives and a drop uplink. To be blunt, most tank drivers are risk averse to the point of cowardice and will often retreat from otherwise futile long range attacks. Just don't expect to get a big payday for scaring them off.

I found the same solution to the problem and it works well. However, neither the AV role you described nor the HAV role you described are fun for any of the participants. So in summary this sounds like very bad game design on CCP's part.

The more general problem is putting rookies in with vets, doesn't matter if it's a tank or a squad of proto suits. By the time people get 10mil SP, a new player won't have a chance.

Exactly,this is DUST 514.You dont like it?Then play Battlefield or COD.No offence
Rookie servers could be an option.Or make friends in game and join squads with them.Its a skill based game,love it or hate it.