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Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:26:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:Well for one, the tank is a Heavy Attack Vehicle while the dropship is a Medium Aircraft, so of course the tank is going to be a little harder to take down. Of course going from the OP if you one hit killed a dropship they must of been using a militia one, in that case militia tanks are pretty easy to kill too.
I really think we're just not seeing the bigger picture at the moment. Right now we're trying to take down tanks with infantry weapons when it appears we should be trying to take them out with turret installations, however the only ones we get at the moment are horribly placed and very weakly defensed. Wait until we can buy our own and call those in anywhere. As far as the dropship, they are addressing the war points issue in the next update and maps should be getting bigger as well. My dropship right now can take a few hits from swarms or forge guns so pretty much I never die because I don't pretend I'm a Heavy Aircraft. I just stay back, wait until a sizable crew spawns in my dropship, and then turn on my hardeners and do a quick fly by over the enemy bases and then back to safety to repair from any damage I took.
Well a speced FG can one shot a full tank fitted DS. Not talking militia. Militia FG can 2 shot a militia ds. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1914
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:34:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Well a speced FG can one shot a full tank fitted DS. Not talking militia. Militia FG can 2 shot a militia ds.
Maybe a shield tanked one, since FGs do bonus (full?) damage to shields. I fly the Grimsnes, armor tank for life. I die mostly to angry buildings and drunk RDVs, unless I miss a Railgun instillation on the map...those kill me pretty damn fast.
I just wish Dropship pilots got something for their trouble. We've been saying this for almost a year now. I just want Gunships, until MTACs come out anyways 
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Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
451
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:51:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:It strikes me as odd that as an AV infantry I have no incentive to aim at a tank, but every reason to shoot down a dropship.
For one, tanks have how much HP? Its impossible for one person to take down a tank and even with an entire team trying it might still live. I could spend the entire match trying to down a tank, and get zero credit.
However if I see a dropship I can blast it to a burning crash in about 1-3 shots depending on the weapon. Solo.
I'll get anywhere from 1-7 kills kills plus vehicle destruction. I'll have cost the pilot upwards of 500k ISK and all it took was a free suit or militia gear.
Lets say I manage to kill a tank with tons of people helping and a bad driver who can't duck behind cover often enough. It cost the driver hundreds of thousands less ISK, I'll get a few less kills or maybe no credit at all for my entire match of contribution, if I happen to be ripped to shreds by its gun right before it blows up.
I guess I Don't understand why tanks are so relatively cheap, match winningly useful, and difficult to kill, while lacking much motivation for teams to kill it. Compared to a dropship which is expensive, near useless, gets no credit in matches, is exceptionally easy to kill, in some cases being 1hit KO'd. It comes with a big red target of easy points, a boat load of player kill points the sweet tears of pilot's crying wallets and can be taken down on a solo whim of "hey I'll just swap to free Swarm launcher".
Seems to me that AV is balanced to keep tanks in line either doing a sufficient or poor job at that, while simultaneously making flying a joke. Soloing a tank is easy, nice troll. If you can't, your doing it wrong ESPECIALLY for someone skilled into AV missing point of the thread. I can solo drop ships on an account without a single point spent in AV. Mhm, DS's can fit up to 5-6k hp. Same as tank. My alts Myron fits 5k shield. Same as gunnlogi. Where's the difference? Its to much all the way around for AV. DS or tank, skilled AV will **** it, militia can kill both. tanks fit like 4x the HP as a max DS
lol, again your doing something wrong.
It might be possible to fit more hp on a tank but again, your losing rep power meaning you will die. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
451
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:54:00 -
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Also tanks should cost minimum 600k minimum. |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:55:00 -
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"lol, again your doing something wrong."
It might be possible to fit more hp on a tank but again, your losing rep power meaning you will die.[/quote]
How am I doing anything wrong? I don't deploy tanks.
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Skihids
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
973
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:00:00 -
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Yes, you can get up to 5K HP on a Myron, but that's using every slot for defense.
Fit an Afterburner and you lose a high slot.
Fit any other bit of equipment and you either sacrifice a high slot or a power grid extender that's necessary to power all your defenses.
So a ship that's built for more than sitting there and tanking damage is going to have much less HP than a gunlogi.
As I've stated in other threads, the problem is balancing AV against both tanks and dropships.
You could do it by making dropships heavy aircraft with enough base HP, or you could do it by giving pilots more active ways to avoid taking the damage in the first place. I suggest the latter as it means pilots need skill and creates a real pilot role. Simply tank it and you make flying a dumb profession that anyone can do. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
451
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:02:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:
"lol, again your doing something wrong."
It might be possible to fit more hp on a tank but again, your losing rep power meaning you will die.
How am I doing anything wrong? I don't deploy tanks.
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Then don't compare them with a DS if you don't understand their fits,
They don't magically get HP or are super cheap.
I do agree DS need a buff.
But tanks are not in a better boat, your making it look like we are.
My 6600 armor dual rep 50% hardner tank just got 3 shotted by cbr7 swarms. With all mods on.
Missiles took turns around the corners after me, all from their spawn.
Please we're both underpowered.
1 man solo'd 4 mill sp and great fit. With advanced swarms.
Say DS needs a buff, don't compare the two. |
fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
214
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:16:00 -
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gbghg wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Let's also not forget that unlike tanks, we can't get kills on our own (save the occasional smush), AND our gunners can be killed. When facing skilled opponents, they will focus fire your gunners when you hold the ship steady for them. This is why I prefer shield tanked heavies with an Armor rep as my gunners, so I can actually move the ship before they die.
CCP has some strange logic, that's for sure. If they can shoot in, my passengers should be able to shoot out.
sir I like the way you think. |
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