DUST Search - [Suggestion] How to remake snipers

Winsaucerer wrote:

I have been playing EVE for years, and love its brutal and unforgiving nature. I've been on the side of being harsh and unforgiving to victims, as well as being the victim of such acts. I have, overall, come out well on top. But it's not the realism that makes it brutal and unforgiving, nor is it what makes EVE fun. Realism != brutal and unforgiving, nor does Realism = Good Gameplay. For example, in EVE, you can:
* Upload your mind to a new body, near instantly (I happen to think this is impossible in our world)
* Warp faster than the speed of light
* Accelerate in space only up to an arbitrary speed limit (much less than the speed of light)
* Warp through planets! (thankfully the game now gives a wormhole-looking effect to make it more believable)
* Near-instant communication from one end of the galaxy to another
* Blueprints (copies) that are somehow destroyed in the process so that you can't remember how to make the item again

And so on (I'm sure there's many other examples). Do I care about this lack of realism? No. Because it's not realism itself that makes the great game of EVE Online. Realism is just nice to have in conjunction with other things. EVE is its own world with its own laws, so the facts about our world don't always have to be represented in EVEGÇªsame goes for Dust. Don't take realism at the expense of more important things.

Oh, and now I note more carefully that you say I am an "extremely casual player"GÇªso I realise you're just being silly and I shouldn't have bothered to respond. But I've already written the above, so there you go.


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mollerz s1ck3r Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.24 04:15:00 - [1] - Quote Snipers are annoying and deadly? woah. who would have thought. That's just like real life military snipers. Which is the point. And as Hagintora mentioned- it's the lack of cover that gets you running like an idiot... and that will change. Doesn't it make sense that standing in the open makes you a target? I do, however, like a lot of your ideas to add to the sniper role. I'd add that we need the bugs (random forced reload and hit detection being at the top of my personal list) fixed as well as the ability to go prone.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.24 22:25:00 - [2] - Quote Winsaucerer wrote: "mollerz" wrote: Snipers are annoying and deadly? woah. who would have thought. That's just like real life military snipers. Which is the point. It's not the point, really. I don't care if real life military snipers are like this. War sucks in real life, it's not something any sane person should enjoy participating in. That goes for being shot at by a real life sniper (or being a real life sniper). We're talking about a game here, which should be fun. Realism plays a role, but not at the expense of more important things like fun, balance, depth of gameplay. There are plenty of games out there for you. Eve online is one of the most brutal and unforgiving games you can play. I don't see Dust becoming any different. Go play COD or BF3.. They're plenty nerfed so extremely casual players such as yourself can have a "fun" time skipping through an extremely forgiving marshmallow fest. For the rest of us, "fun" is having an actual challenge. And that means emulating exactly what war conditions in an eve world on the ground would be like. Extremely deadly and unforgiving. That, to me, is a real game. Also, I'm snowboarding all this week, but when i get back i will make sure to look for you and snipe you into a conniption fit :D
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 71	Posted - 2013.02.25 00:28:00 - [3] - Quote Winsaucerer wrote: I have been playing EVE for years, and love its brutal and unforgiving nature. I've been on the side of being harsh and unforgiving to victims, as well as being the victim of such acts. I have, overall, come out well on top. But it's not the realism that makes it brutal and unforgiving, nor is it what makes EVE fun. Realism != brutal and unforgiving, nor does Realism = Good Gameplay. For example, in EVE, you can: * Upload your mind to a new body, near instantly (I happen to think this is impossible in our world) * Warp faster than the speed of light * Accelerate in space only up to an arbitrary speed limit (much less than the speed of light) * Warp through planets! (thankfully the game now gives a wormhole-looking effect to make it more believable) * Near-instant communication from one end of the galaxy to another * Blueprints (copies) that are somehow destroyed in the process so that you can't remember how to make the item again And so on (I'm sure there's many other examples). Do I care about this lack of realism? No. Because it's not realism itself that makes the great game of EVE Online. Realism is just nice to have in conjunction with other things. EVE is its own world with its own laws, so the facts about our world don't always have to be represented in EVEGÇªsame goes for Dust. Don't take realism at the expense of more important things. Oh, and now I note more carefully that you say I am an "extremely casual player"GÇªso I realise you're just being silly and I shouldn't have bothered to respond. But I've already written the above, so there you go. Hate to quote myself... mollerz wrote: For the rest of us, "fun" is having an actual challenge. And that means emulating exactly what war conditions in an eve world on the ground would be like. Extremely deadly and unforgiving. That, to me, is a real game. In Eve, snipers wouldn't be hamstrung foam pellet launching social butterflies. They'd be hardened killers that could do more than they can now. Believe me, snipers aren't even full powered. Your tears will really start flowing once they fix bugs. I probably lose about a 1/4 of the kills I could slam dunk because my rifle reloads whenever it wants letting people escape. Although, I frequently get +25 when one of my teammates takes advantage of the cream puff I made out of that heavy that escapes my sights. Also, there's nothing more annoying than having to waste ammo and time moving in a risky manner just to take out an enemy sniper because even though i get every sign that i hit him, he loses no shield/armor. And we are talking after i move five times and hit him to no avail with 10+ rounds. Somehow, it is possible to move to a sweet spot and overcome that bug, but man.. lame. I'll expect your follow up NERF sniper post when you are all of a sudden dying a lot more from sniper fire than you are now. As an aside, I have no idea why you are in a position where you get sniped so much you had to post this, but you might want to post int he training section about how not to get wasted by snipers so much. I don;t get sniped that often, so you must be doing something wrong. Just a possibility :)