I see your point and partially agree. Anyway I really don't get why they completely changed skirmish 1.0 .....

In few words, It was like defenders vs attackers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDW-HrzBo7s

You forgot the fact that it was awesome.

We can say beta all we want. Thing is, do you see many of the old players here still?

I get that it's a beta. I of all people, get that.

Yet one has to wonder, seriously, what the f*** is going on? It's been a year now, and yet I've seen some aspects of the game completely deteriorate as CCP destroys them for bland ass mechanics to appease the "casuals" and "newberrys". Tell me honestly players, wasn't the game a whole lot better in gameplay mechanics and otherwise in and before Replication? Sure, needed some balancing, but CCP has this weird thing of taking something, completely destroying it and building back up rather than adapting and evolving.

Dropships still don't have pilot points. Everything has been flattened. There is not enough variety, and the whole aspect of "make a customized dropsuit" is completely gone as people abuse broken (for 4 months) damage mods and mechanics.

This next build will make it or break it for a whole lot of people CCP. Good luck, and remember:

HTFU. You said it yourself.

I'm still here, and yes while this build, and previous ones have issues, and there is a long way to go before Dust has reached it's potential. I think it will get there, we need to be positive, give good feedback and break everything we can. that's what beta's are for after all

There is not enough variety

which is why i believe CCP should be MORE engaging and working with us more

I quit playing during Codex (unless that's this build, in which case I quit playing between Precursor and whatever this build is) for pretty much these reasons. Every build since Precursor has been 1 step forward and 2 or 3 steps back. Precursor brought really cool flight physics, and destroyed tanks and forge guns, while at the same time making Skirmish less interesting, as both teams are now fighting the same battle, and there it takes a lot away from the game.

Really, I think they should scrap most of the changes they've made aside from the Dropship controls, and just go back to the E3 build, at least that was stable.

[REQUEST] Skirmish 1.0 - bringing back multi-stage skirmish mode.
Update: We are not against multi-stage skirmish game mode, and are thinking of ways to implement this in more effective ways.

I quit playing during Codex (unless that's this build, in which case I quit playing between Precursor and whatever this build is) for pretty much these reasons. Every build since Precursor has been 1 step forward and 2 or 3 steps back. Precursor brought really cool flight physics, and destroyed tanks and forge guns, while at the same time making Skirmish less interesting, as both teams are now fighting the same battle, and there it takes a lot away from the game.

Really, I think they should scrap most of the changes they've made aside from the Dropship controls, and just go back to the E3 build, at least that was stable.

Plenty of people here who have seen the sight of a pile of LAVs being stacked up high.

We can say beta all we want. Thing is, do you see many of the old players here still?

I get that it's a beta. I of all people, get that.

Yet one has to wonder, seriously, what the f*** is going on? It's been a year now, and yet I've seen some aspects of the game completely deteriorate as CCP destroys them for bland ass mechanics to appease the "casuals" and "newberrys". Tell me honestly players, wasn't the game a whole lot better in gameplay mechanics and otherwise in and before Replication? Sure, needed some balancing, but CCP has this weird thing of taking something, completely destroying it and building back up rather than adapting and evolving.

Dropships still don't have pilot points. Everything has been flattened. There is not enough variety, and the whole aspect of "make a customized dropsuit" is completely gone as people abuse broken (for 4 months) damage mods and mechanics.

This next build will make it or break it for a whole lot of people CCP. Good luck, and remember:

HTFU. You said it yourself.

Just a heads up to let some of you know that in the feedback and request section of the forums the Devs do put up a weekly post about what the have been discussing. They haven't posted while on vacation but today there is a new post.

Somethings that were brought up:
- an idle kick to stop AFK farming
- seeing how to implement skirmish 1.0
- DS pilots getting payed
And other things it isn't a lot but it is input.

Just a heads up to let some of you know that in the feedback and request section of the forums the Devs do put up a weekly post about what the have been discussing. They haven't posted while on vacation but today there is a new post.

Somethings that were brought up:
- an idle kick to stop AFK farming
- seeing how to implement skirmish 1.0
- DS pilots getting payed
And other things it isn't a lot but it is input.

Well according to the CSM Minutes they could not do anything major or big until the move onto TQ.

Well, I've seen even less changes since we moved to TQ....But I want to be optimistic. I'll think that the next update is going to be something really huge

Go read the dev blogs on the mainwebsite.

Read them.

Its like they are talking like this really cool game, intense, deep, persistent.

The game we play is not the game described in the dev blogs.

Yes I know the game "isn't done yet" and "a beta".

But why talk about stuff thats not in the game, like its in the game. The community seems like its really starting to get fatigue from playing the same tired old battles over and over again. Even though we were promised "persistant war on thousands of planets". You can say its thousands of planets, but if its the same 4 maps in the same fish bowl mountain terrain, people are gonna get pissed off.

Vegitation will be nice, but if its still the same maps plus trees. CCP are doing it wrong, very wrong.

This is ridiculous.

And is far from satisfactory.

Even eve has more elaborate feedback and in the works.

1 week of dev feedback labeling the minimum they can ie

Working on redline abuse.

Well that's it, will never hear anymore except soon tm.

That's how its been from day 1.

It needs to end.

Look at DS WP's.

That was labeled a bug on one of the first reports when the game launched in closed beta.

Not a single word after that.

But I do agree that the flattening of the gear was not the direction to go in. Players asked that DUST be made flat. THey got their way. Where are they now?

I never wanted a "competitive" world with flat gear progression. But I am still here...

You Know what this thread reminded me of? The REGIS, that was the perfect example of how a developer can burn through a player's patience to the point of saying "know what? **** this, im done."

. Everything has been flattened. There is not enough variety, and the whole aspect of "make a customized dropsuit" is completely gone as people abuse broken (for 4 months) damage mods and mechanics.

Exactly, Regis was someone I disliked for a long time, but slowly, I'm beginning to see his side of the story.