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Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.02.22 10:44:00 -
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Like many of you, I have heard many different stories about the nova knife. Some say that with the right skills, it can 1 shot a heavy. Others say it's not nearly so powerful.
So, just what skills actually do effect the nova knife and what potential damage can it do?
Things I'm trying to figure out
Does melee damage stack with the knife weapon damage? Does the Hand to Hand skill effect it? Do myofibril stimulants increase damage? Does it do damage for each knife strike? Just one real hit but a two hit animation? Does standard melee with the knife equipped do more damage? Does the nova knife do the same damage to both armor and shields?
I had a little bit of SP saved up on an alt so I specced into advanced nova knives. At first, there were some assault suits I couldn't even get pass their shields. I upgraded hand to hand to lvl 2 and added a stimulant and I can 1 shot most assaults. Problem is, idk what the ehp of my targets is before I kill them.
Does anyone have answers for these questions? I don't want BS answers that are just repeated rumors. If you don't KNOW, don't act like you do. Also, anyone willing to run some tests with me? You'll get 2 mil out of it (I'll pay for the corp battle).
Let's figure this out guys. For SCIENCE! |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2013.02.22 11:06:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Like many of you, I have heard many different stories about the nova knife. Some say that with the right skills, it can 1 shot a heavy. Others say it's not nearly so powerful.
So, just what skills actually do effect the nova knife and what potential damage can it do?
Things I'm trying to figure out
Does melee damage stack with the knife weapon damage? Does the Hand to Hand skill effect it? Do myofibril stimulants increase damage? Does it do damage for each knife strike? Just one real hit but a two hit animation? Does standard melee with the knife equipped do more damage? Does the nova knife do the same damage to both armor and shields?
I had a little bit of SP saved up on an alt so I specced into advanced nova knives. At first, there were some assault suits I couldn't even get pass their shields. I upgraded hand to hand to lvl 2 and added a stimulant and I can 1 shot most assaults. Problem is, idk what the ehp of my targets is before I kill them.
Does anyone have answers for these questions? I don't want BS answers that are just repeated rumors. If you don't KNOW, don't act like you do. Also, anyone willing to run some tests with me? You'll get 2 mil out of it (I'll pay for the corp battle).
Let's figure this out guys. For SCIENCE!
To answer your questions:
No No No Yes, it does damage per knife strike. Not sure, probably but honestly considering how wonky it is just swinging one knife over and over again it's probably not much. No clue.
Two problems I've always noticed:
A.) You need to be able to charge it while sprinting. Charging it while "walking" won't let you catch up to anyone that's sprinting. B.) You should be able to 'melee' using the R1 button without charging it to attack for lesser damage, rather than hitting R3.. Then again, the Charge Sniper Rifle claims that it can do this but... doesn't.
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Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.02.22 11:39:00 -
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I don't believe you have tested this and actually know. I think your parroting. Also, you can charge while sprinting... melee and then charge while in the middle of animation. Is a glitch, but this is how it will be in the next build so it's ok. |
Delta Iddon
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.22 13:46:00 -
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I'm dabbling in a triple sprint speed mod nova knife scout for shiggles and i'll try and test this stuff out, but its nigh on impossible to tell how much damage you are doing unless you manage to get a friend on the enemy team |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:56:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I don't believe you have tested this and actually know. I think your parroting. Also, you can charge while sprinting... melee and then charge while in the middle of animation. Is a glitch, but this is how it will be in the next build so it's ok.
Cool well **** you too. Glad we're ready to utterly dismiss information right off the bat despite wanting to test it ourselves.
If you didn't want an answer why'd you ask the question? I used to use Nova Knives religiously until I found out how ****** they are, and no; you CANNOT charge while sprinting, at least not with a Scout Suit.
Edit: In fact, this was the very first thing I tested upon the Chromosome release because the patch notes said, "updated nova knife model" and almost nothing was changed except having higher damage. But it's cool, you're not going to read this post anyway. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.02.22 21:05:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Sontie wrote:Like many of you, I have heard many different stories about the nova knife. Some say that with the right skills, it can 1 shot a heavy. Others say it's not nearly so powerful.
So, just what skills actually do effect the nova knife and what potential damage can it do?
Things I'm trying to figure out
Does melee damage stack with the knife weapon damage? Does the Hand to Hand skill effect it? Do myofibril stimulants increase damage? Does it do damage for each knife strike? Just one real hit but a two hit animation? Does standard melee with the knife equipped do more damage? Does the nova knife do the same damage to both armor and shields?
I had a little bit of SP saved up on an alt so I specced into advanced nova knives. At first, there were some assault suits I couldn't even get pass their shields. I upgraded hand to hand to lvl 2 and added a stimulant and I can 1 shot most assaults. Problem is, idk what the ehp of my targets is before I kill them.
Does anyone have answers for these questions? I don't want BS answers that are just repeated rumors. If you don't KNOW, don't act like you do. Also, anyone willing to run some tests with me? You'll get 2 mil out of it (I'll pay for the corp battle).
Let's figure this out guys. For SCIENCE! To answer your questions: No No No Yes, it does damage per knife strike. Not sure, probably but honestly considering how wonky it is just swinging one knife over and over again it's probably not much. No clue. Two problems I've always noticed: A.) You need to be able to charge it while sprinting. Charging it while "walking" won't let you catch up to anyone that's sprinting. B.) You should be able to 'melee' using the R1 button without charging it to attack for lesser damage, rather than hitting R3.. Then again, the Charge Sniper Rifle claims that it can do this but... doesn't.
The charge rifle does this. You can release the shot before it he fully charged, hence firing faster but lower damage shots. |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.02.22 21:23:00 -
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This is why I didn't believe you, because you are wrong. Go in game and try it. Press R3 and in the middle of the animation press and hold R1. Next, while holding R1, sprint.
Come back with your findings. |
Delta Iddon
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:07:00 -
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Quote:and no; you CANNOT charge while sprinting, at least not with a Scout Suit.
you are incorrect on this completely, yes it does work on the scout suit, you are just doing it wrong |
Vel'sar Altruin
Shadow Company HQ
5
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:48:00 -
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Sontie wrote:Like many of you, I have heard many different stories about the nova knife. Some say that with the right skills, it can 1 shot a heavy. Others say it's not nearly so powerful.
So, just what skills actually do effect the nova knife and what potential damage can it do?
Things I'm trying to figure out
Does melee damage stack with the knife weapon damage? Does the Hand to Hand skill effect it? Do myofibril stimulants increase damage? Does it do damage for each knife strike? Just one real hit but a two hit animation? Does standard melee with the knife equipped do more damage? Does the nova knife do the same damage to both armor and shields?
I had a little bit of SP saved up on an alt so I specced into advanced nova knives. At first, there were some assault suits I couldn't even get pass their shields. I upgraded hand to hand to lvl 2 and added a stimulant and I can 1 shot most assaults. Problem is, idk what the ehp of my targets is before I kill them.
Does anyone have answers for these questions? I don't want BS answers that are just repeated rumors. If you don't KNOW, don't act like you do. Also, anyone willing to run some tests with me? You'll get 2 mil out of it (I'll pay for the corp battle).
Let's figure this out guys. For SCIENCE!
I don't have a Nova Knife character anymore but I can grab some Militia gear and upgrade it on some alts if you want, add Akleenex to PSN and i'll help you out. |
Treemugger
I mug trees.
34
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Posted - 2013.02.23 12:57:00 -
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Delta Iddon wrote:I'm dabbling in a triple sprint speed mod nova knife scout for shiggles and i'll try and test this stuff out, but its nigh on impossible to tell how much damage you are doing unless you manage to get a friend on the enemy team Could do a 1v1 corp battle to try it out.
I'm the CEO of my "corp" so if anyone is up for testing, I can be the punching bag. |
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Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
165
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Posted - 2013.02.23 13:00:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Sontie wrote:I don't believe you have tested this and actually know. I think your parroting. Also, you can charge while sprinting... melee and then charge while in the middle of animation. Is a glitch, but this is how it will be in the next build so it's ok. Cool well **** you too. Glad we're ready to utterly dismiss information right off the bat despite wanting to test it ourselves. If you didn't want an answer why'd you ask the question? I used to use Nova Knives religiously until I found out how ****** they are, and no; you CANNOT charge while sprinting, at least not with a Scout Suit. Edit: In fact, this was the very first thing I tested upon the Chromosome release because the patch notes said, "updated nova knife model" and almost nothing was changed except having higher damage. But it's cool, you're not going to read this post anyway. CCP Devs even admitted the ability to hold charge and sprint during the last podcast, and that they're happy leaving the bug as a place holder until they properly implemented the ability. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1593
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Posted - 2013.02.23 13:41:00 -
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@Aeon Amadi
I suggest you shut up and stop acting like you have a chip on your shoulder. You are not contributing to this conversation other than how you are acting right now.
Even me, an expert Nova Knifer, agree that the questions set by Sontie bring up some of the most important myths about the nova knives that need to be confirmed or busted by CCP themselves or tested extensively from a collaborative effort from two groups of players willing to do a corp battle specifically for the purpose of testing out the knife in every level possible so that we can settle this matter once and for all.
I erred on the side of caution when it came to these things and assumed that anything melee related doesn't effect the Nova Knives since they are technically side arms. This has kept me from doing pretty foolish things during my career. But I do like to know if anything hand-to-hand or melee related has any effect on the knives. A corp collaborative corp battle for testing should answer some of these questions but I feel that the rest may need a direct answer from CCP to finally settle the matter. |
Sontie
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:58:00 -
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Preliminary tests suggest that melee damage DOES stack on top of nova knife damage. Also, you "swing" twice, each dealing full damage with the knife, but the second swing is the one that applies the damage in one "hit" At this point the melee damage is applied too. I can't tell whether melee damage is applied if you only hit with one. I'm thinking it's about 50% but I need more than the guess work I am being forced to use to know for certain.
If I hit with the full swing, I can one shot just about anyone non-heavy with my knives. Vehicles take NO damage. Which is crap.
Treemugger, I will me messaging you today or tomorrow. |
Outlaw OneZero
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:01:00 -
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Sontie wrote: Vehicles take NO damage. Which is crap.
Seriously? Why should a knife be able to damage a vehicle? |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
399
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:07:00 -
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Outlaw OneZero wrote:Sontie wrote: Vehicles take NO damage. Which is crap. Seriously? Why should a knife be able to damage a vehicle? This |
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