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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:02:00 -
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I'm just going to throw it out there, I really have no respect for the GEK Assault Rifle. Honestly, it's incredibly boring seeing the kill-feed mention the GEK so often and while it might just be rumor (I refuse to use the thing because I find it to be a cliche) but the GEK having less recoil than the Duvolle seems... Odd.
Not saying it's over-powered, or needs some kind of change by any means but the fact that my corp-mates and I have recently undergone an initiative to discourage recruitment of those that "specialize" in using Assault Rifles goes to show just how much distaste I find in the weapon itself. Incidentally enough, I have absolutely no issue with any other Rifle - just the GEK.
Perhaps it's just that so little skill is involved in using it (ADS, shoot) and it does it's job so effectively and with such versatility.. Maybe it's just because it's so common. I'll never know, I just simply can't take anyone who uses it seriously. Alternatively, it could be because of the forums having such a vanguard defense of the weapon itself while criticizing other weapons (HMG, Shotgun and Laser Rifles being the popular choice) for their effectiveness.
I'm sure I can't be the only one that feels this way. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:06:00 -
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Yes,
It has less recoil. Duvolle is a joke.
Everyone thinks when you talk about the AR stuff, well, they're afraid of a nerf.
But the AR Tier system, the balancing between the AR guns, needs to be reworked.
Having nothing to do with the other weapons or the general weapon balance. |
SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:07:00 -
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I'm actually always happy to see GEK's. Do you understand what it implies to see so many? They're real money purchased weapons. All those people you are unhappy with over a 'cliche' are supporting CCP in a real way.
So that's my reason for not hating on the GEK. That and I fear nothing.  |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:11:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I'm actually always happy to see GEK's. Do you understand what it implies to see so many? They're real money purchased weapons. All those people you are unhappy with over a 'cliche' are supporting CCP in a real way. So that's my reason for not hating on the GEK. That and I fear nothing.
...... No, they're not... You're thinking the Killswitch... |
Rasatsu
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:12:00 -
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I tested out the GEK, and found it had much more recoil than the Exile, so using the Exile exclusively.
Besides, the mudflation of AR damages it's better use the CPU/PG to just get more tank and damage mods. |
SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:14:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I'm actually always happy to see GEK's. Do you understand what it implies to see so many? They're real money purchased weapons. All those people you are unhappy with over a 'cliche' are supporting CCP in a real way. So that's my reason for not hating on the GEK. That and I fear nothing. ...... No, they're not... You're thinking the Killswitch...
You mean you're not? The original recoil is pretty low - but not lower then the Exile. If it's the ISK variant then the Proto walks all over it. Just requires a bit more handling. 2x dmg mods alone is sorta OP, but when the assaults can put up to 4 on the devoulle is the sort of crap that makes me tear up lol So I'd say the Exile is probably more unbalanced then the GEK in the right hands.
Sorry for the miss-understanding.
EDIT: And with that mistake as a warning of how late it is - I'll be calling it night. Peace lol |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:35:00 -
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I use the blindfire if that makes you happy :D |
HOMMANDO
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:53:00 -
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The GEK isn't the unstoppable murder machine people make it out to be. You see a lot of people using it because it doesn't take a whole lot of SP to pick it up, and it's relatively cheap. If there is a real problem with it, it would be the CPU/PG usage. You can fit a whole lot of nice mods on your type-II dropsuit because of how little CPU/PG the GEK uses. |
Sontie
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:56:00 -
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When I first started playing, I was complete trash with the AR. But this was about 2 weeks before the last reset, so people outclassed me. I have since gotten used to the play mechanics of the game, gotten better at aiming because of my pistol, and upgraded my tv to a lcd. Played around with just the frontline starter fit yesterday and I was raping face! The AR is OP. I used to not understand why anyone would go damage mods over shields, but now I dig it.
NERF THE AR! |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:59:00 -
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I respect somebody who uses a Gek or Duvoll over militia, standard or Exile anyday. Shows they are playing for risk rather than playing it safe by noobing it with a AR that kills just as good, if not better, than top-end stuff.
Don't give a flying shyte who you are, if you can use a Gek or Duvoll, use it. Don't be a militia AR using noob unless you suck. |
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Grit Breather
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:03:00 -
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HOMMANDO wrote:The GEK isn't the unstoppable murder machine people make it out to be. You see a lot of people using it because it doesn't take a whole lot of SP to pick it up, and it's relatively cheap. If there is a real problem with it, it would be the CPU/PG usage. You can fit a whole lot of nice mods on your type-II dropsuit because of how little CPU/PG the GEK uses.
With any FPS, the most used weapon is the AR. This is how CCP designed Dust (the sound effects team even called the AR Dust's bread and butter a few weeks ago). This is how any FPS is designed.
The AR isn't OP, it's just the least specialized weapon out there. It's easy to use for most situations but in return only gives a moderate DPS compared to the specialized areas of other weapons. The laser and sniper rifle are superior at long range, the HMG and SMG are superior at short range.
The AR is just a comfortable middle.
Now for the claims the GEK is easily fitted on a Type II. You don't say??
That would be like saying a standard AR is easily fitted on a standard suit and a proto AR is easily fitted on a proto suit. Of course an advanced AR is easily fitted on an advanced suit. Again, that's how it was designed. That's how it should work. |
The Black Art
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:03:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
Perhaps it's just that so little skill is involved in using it (ADS, shoot)
What does this even mean? You can ADS and shoot with every gun. Would HMGs and SMGs require less skill because you don't need to ADS with them? |
Bendtner92
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:04:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Now for the claims the GEK is easily fitted on a Type II. You don't say??
That would be like saying a standard AR is easily fitted on a standard suit and a proto AR is easily fitted on a proto suit. Of course an advanced AR is easily fitted on an advanced suit. Again, that's how it was designed. That's how it should work.
Except the Type-II is a Standard suit  |
Sontie
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:04:00 -
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I don't give respect to people who don't give respect where respect is due. Every weapon is freaking easy mode. MD = easy, SG = easy, HMG = easy, Scrambler Pistols = easy. All it takes is determination and probably some natural talent towards a certain weapons play style and you'll soon become OP in this game. So, if you see someone doing well with a weapon, give them the respect they are due, since they earned that skill with hard work and also jesus. If you can't respect another player, you just a hater. |
Grit Breather
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:06:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Grit Breather wrote:Now for the claims the GEK is easily fitted on a Type II. You don't say??
That would be like saying a standard AR is easily fitted on a standard suit and a proto AR is easily fitted on a proto suit. Of course an advanced AR is easily fitted on an advanced suit. Again, that's how it was designed. That's how it should work. Except the Type-II is a Standard suit
No, Type II is advanced. Or more to the point, in between. It's half way between Type I and A series in requirements and PG/CPU. |
Bendtner92
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:10:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Grit Breather wrote:Now for the claims the GEK is easily fitted on a Type II. You don't say??
That would be like saying a standard AR is easily fitted on a standard suit and a proto AR is easily fitted on a proto suit. Of course an advanced AR is easily fitted on an advanced suit. Again, that's how it was designed. That's how it should work. Except the Type-II is a Standard suit No, Type II is advanced. Or more to the point, in between. It's half way between Type I and A series in requirements and PG/CPU.
That still makes it a Standard suit
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Grit Breather
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:13:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Grit Breather wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Grit Breather wrote:Now for the claims the GEK is easily fitted on a Type II. You don't say??
That would be like saying a standard AR is easily fitted on a standard suit and a proto AR is easily fitted on a proto suit. Of course an advanced AR is easily fitted on an advanced suit. Again, that's how it was designed. That's how it should work. Except the Type-II is a Standard suit No, Type II is advanced. Or more to the point, in between. It's half way between Type I and A series in requirements and PG/CPU. That still makes it a Standard suit
I'll agree to that. It is, however, more advanced than the Type I.
I personally was never able to fit a GEK on it properly due to using it with a proper shield tank. Sadly a lot of people don't know how to properly shield tank it and use it with a GEK and armour tank. Really sad... |
Rei Shepard
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:22:00 -
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Its rather funny, no matter what weapon i seem to equip people die just the same and at the same quantity.
Standard AR, GEK, Laser Rifle, SMG, HMG, Shotgun its hard to aim for less then 15-20 kills with each of them
Sure i get my bad streaks once in a while, but most of the time its a solid 20+ with whatever suit / config i get going.
Maybe its not the gun and equipment, its the person handling it ? |
Grit Breather
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:43:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Its rather funny, no matter what weapon i seem to equip people die just the same and at the same quantity.
Standard AR, GEK, Laser Rifle, SMG, HMG, Shotgun its hard to aim for less then 15-20 kills with each of them
Sure i get my bad streaks once in a while, but most of the time its a solid 20+ with whatever suit / config i get going.
Maybe its not the gun and equipment, its the person handling it ?
Oh no!
The forums will explode if someone admits to good players being good. There can't be any good players. Anywhere. If someone kills you his gun MUST BE OP or he MUST BE using a hacked controller. |
Knight Enforcer
Onikanabo Brigade
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:54:00 -
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No respect for whingers and over sized egos. |
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GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:54:00 -
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Console FPS game logic
Good player with great hand-eye coordination uses a gun drops 30+ kills and less then 5 deaths. Bad player dies to that payer and cries to the Dev's to hold his or her hand saying nerf nerf nerf. This "insert weapon of choice here" is OP because this player is better then me.
Yeah, some weapons need tweaking but ******** players, which is about 90% of the player base on this game fail to understand QQing about a weapon will result in a massive nerf thus making it full useless. Learn to get better and stop facing the same player(s) head on. There is tons of ways to engage players that are better then you besides facing them head on
Now then, lets take the Breach Assault Rifle, instead of asking for tweaks during the closed beta, it got nerfed to hell and back and is nearly useless now. That happened because everyone QQ'd and said nerf nerf nerf it!. At the rate everyone is going, all weapons will be nerfed to the point of them being all useless. |
Rei Shepard
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:00:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Its rather funny, no matter what weapon i seem to equip people die just the same and at the same quantity.
Standard AR, GEK, Laser Rifle, SMG, HMG, Shotgun its hard to aim for less then 15-20 kills with each of them
Sure i get my bad streaks once in a while, but most of the time its a solid 20+ with whatever suit / config i get going.
Maybe its not the gun and equipment, its the person handling it ? Oh no! The forums will explode if someone admits to good players being good. There can't be any good players. Anywhere. If someone kills you his gun MUST BE OP or he MUST BE using a hacked controller.
LOL,
The good thing about this being on a console vs pc is that if i get killed, i know its the person, not his gun, not his aimbot or wallhack, but the guy actually outplaying me. Witch is awesome when coming from PC shooters that are infested with closet cheaters. |
Pranekt Tyrvoth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:03:00 -
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It's an assault rifle, EZ-mode. Less ez-mode than it was in closed beta where it practically had laser-beam accuracy and dispersion, but still easy mode.
Doesn't matter which one you use (at least in the models based off "Assault Rifle", maybe not so much variants). Next topic please? |
General John Ripper
Baltar Research
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:27:00 -
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You got your wish. now everyone is going to be running around with exiles. And exile is alot more fun to say than "GEK". |
Takahiro Kashuken
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.20 12:22:00 -
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You would have seen the breach a bit more often if ppl didnt cry about it when hit detection was ****** thus CCP nerfed it for no reason |
Don Von Hulio
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:17:00 -
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You see it alot because... SURPRISE, alot of people decided to go with an Assault Suit.
The Duvolle isnt worth using right now, it costs too much and it doesnt seem like it is "that much better", which is another reason why the GEK seems better than it really is/should be. And once they fix the damage mods, you wont see people stacking them as much anymore. Id rather have one 10% Damage Mod and the rest Shields once they finally get this game figured out. |
Travi Zyg
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:22:00 -
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Ya, seriously OP . Getting tired of the QQ AR threads...I'm speccd into assualt/ar...deal with it... what would you rather me use, my exile, militia or duvolle or allotek burst..regardless of your choice, your still swiss cheese in the end .
I find it hard to believe that if you saw any of the other ARs in the kill feed more than GEK you would be okay. So what u really just want is to whine and get it nerfed. |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:28:00 -
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Grit Breather wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Its rather funny, no matter what weapon i seem to equip people die just the same and at the same quantity.
Standard AR, GEK, Laser Rifle, SMG, HMG, Shotgun its hard to aim for less then 15-20 kills with each of them
Sure i get my bad streaks once in a while, but most of the time its a solid 20+ with whatever suit / config i get going.
Maybe its not the gun and equipment, its the person handling it ? Oh no! The forums will explode if someone admits to good players being good. There can't be any good players. Anywhere. If someone kills you his gun MUST BE OP or he MUST BE using a hacked controller.
Oh you forgot to mention the Lag switching, Chicken KBM user and so on... I received quite a few mails like that.  |
Travi Zyg
G I A N T
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:29:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:You see it alot because... SURPRISE, alot of people decided to go with an Assault Suit.
The Duvolle isnt worth using right now, it costs too much and it doesnt seem like it is "that much better", which is another reason why the GEK seems better than it really is/should be. And once they fix the damage mods, you wont see people stacking them as much anymore. Id rather have one 10% Damage Mod and the rest Shields once they finally get this game figured out.
Ya know I used the dam. Mods for a bit but once I had my type 2 I went all shields/extenders. I prefer my 405 shield over the damage only because you can be just as effective without dam mods with proper gun control and headshots.
But I agree you will see less when mods are fixed. |
Thumb Green
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:15:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Perhaps it's just that so little skill is involved in using it (ADS, shoot)
The way I see it, the only gun that takes any skill is the sniper rifle. Sometime even that doesn't take skill when the morons stand still knowing they're being shot at. Hell I was on Ashland in Ambush yesterday and half the enemy team was up on the girder thing overlooking the first supply depot; I climbed up on the other one with a sniper rifle and started picking them off with head shots and I'm a terrible shot with the rifle. They kept spawning up there and just standing still shooting at the people below them and I just kept popping them in the head. |
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