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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:32:00 -
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I'm not complaining. I'm just curious about the change. |
Val'herik Dorn
CrimeWave Syndicate
263
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:34:00 -
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This was my thought as well? So now the idiot bluedots will be even more useless?
BAD CCP!
Stop catering to lone wolf cod nubs! |
Arbor Viridanus
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:37:00 -
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People without predefined squads will be forced into team chat instead of being quarantined to a probably-useless squad chat. It makes it more likely for guys running solo with headsets to be able to communicate with other random people with headsets. They'll be able to co-ordinate better. |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec
13
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:38:00 -
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Maybe faster loading time when joining a game. Anyway, in pub games, most people which get auto squaded don't use more tactics as if they were alone, so no point to make grouping. We will get 1 min to group with folk if we really want to, which also show our interest to group up.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea, but I really don't know if it will change anything to loading time, I just hope. Less loading, more gameplay. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:41:00 -
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martinofski wrote:Maybe faster loading time when joining a game. Anyway, in pub games, most people which get auto squaded don't use more tactics as if they were alone, so no point to make grouping. We will get 1 min to group with folk if we really want to, which also show our interest to group up.
I actually think this isn't a bad idea, but I really don't know if it will change anything to loading time, I just hope. Less loading, more gameplay.
Also hopefully in the future quicker invites allows players to find squad buddies via recently played lists or player boards. |
Sergeant Wiznowski
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
38
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:00:00 -
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IMO Any move that reduces teamwork is bad and that's bad way . Blueberries will have no idea that squad orders exist.
Possibility of earning OB in public match just went down ... Even if you create squad no blueberry will join. They cannot even turn voice on.
I would welcome - bigger squads, default chat on, easier squading from player list or chat. From the list of things TBD they find one that no one asked for and might (let me stress - might) have a negative impact on new player experience.
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:14:00 -
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Sergeant Wiznowski wrote:IMO Any move that reduces teamwork is bad and that's bad way . Blueberries will have no idea that squad orders exist.
Possibility of earning OB in public match just went down ... Even if you create squad no blueberry will join. They cannot even turn voice on.
I would welcome - bigger squads, default chat on, easier squading from player list or chat. From the list of things TBD they find one that no one asked for and might (let me stress - might) have a negative impact on new player experience.
I have come to find out that squad orders oftenly do not get put out because nobody knows they're the squad leader. When they do they're often ignored anyways.
Voice over team however will increase team work. Allows players to call out threats, directions and actions. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:16:00 -
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Does this mean that Orbital Strikes are no longer available during pubs? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:19:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Does this mean that Orbital Strikes are no longer available during pubs?
No, any organized squad will still have access to them. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:20:00 -
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i support the change and am curious of the results. It it seems thins a re worse than before, they can always switch back. I think default team chat will be benificial as well.
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M3DIC 2U
RED COLONIAL MARINES Covert Intervention
13
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:48:00 -
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+1 default team chat.
I've found it easier to spot squads with 1 open slot and jump there thus finding myself in a fully mic'ed squad. The singleton squads serve no purpose that I can see other than quicker loads, but people need to jump into squads more to take advantage of SL orders/points.
Learning process and by making everyone alone I think they decreased some of the value and turned public ambush matches into run and gun events with coordinated corps squads making a meatgrinder. |
Panoscape
BurgezzE.T.F
107
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:25:00 -
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It's being removed so the server can sort and group players easier and form more competitive matches. I'm looking forward to more balanced battles. |
Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:30:00 -
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Arbor Viridanus wrote:People without predefined squads will be forced into team chat instead of being quarantined to a probably-useless squad chat. It makes it more likely for guys running solo with headsets to be able to communicate with other random people with headsets. They'll be able to co-ordinate better.
where does it say this? CCP doesnt mention this anywhere i've looked. all I see is something that reinforces solo play. which is bad for Dust and especially noobs.
expect high number of ragequits and rageposts incoming. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
162
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:36:00 -
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At least people in squad leader position will know that they are in it now because they picked it, and will hopefully use squad commands. Anyone that doesn't work as a team will be no worse or better off than they were before. At least now, if someone joins your squad, they should be more likely to follow squad orders. And any game I've started after downtime today has started me in team chat. It's an excellent tweak by CCP. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:36:00 -
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In some ways its a clever nerf to orbital strikes. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:39:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:Arbor Viridanus wrote:People without predefined squads will be forced into team chat instead of being quarantined to a probably-useless squad chat. It makes it more likely for guys running solo with headsets to be able to communicate with other random people with headsets. They'll be able to co-ordinate better. where does it say this? CCP doesnt mention this anywhere i've looked. all I see is something that reinforces solo play. which is bad for Dust and especially noobs. expect high number of ragequits and rageposts incoming.
Current squad mechanics encourages solo play much more because nobody in squad has mics. |
Scoot Medic
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
50
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:39:00 -
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We need seperate matchmaking in my opinion, Lone Wolf, Squad and Team. So you can team up and go up against another pre-made team or squad up and join a match full of pre-made squads.
Keeps pub stompers away from newberries and gives a more challenging batlle to more experienced players. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
29
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:44:00 -
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Scoot Medic wrote:We need seperate matchmaking in my opinion, Lone Wolf, Squad and Team. So you can team up and go up against another pre-made team or squad up and join a match full of pre-made squads.
Keeps pub stompers away from newberries and gives a more challenging batlle to more experienced players.
Anything that makes this game more catering to rambos is a bad thing. We have enough blind bluedots in matches as is. Doing as much as possible to encourage team play is a good thing. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:45:00 -
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Scoot Medic wrote:We need seperate matchmaking in my opinion, Lone Wolf, Squad and Team. So you can team up and go up against another pre-made team or squad up and join a match full of pre-made squads.
Keeps pub stompers away from newberries and gives a more challenging batlle to more experienced players.
Would be nice. |
Vance Alken
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
94
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:46:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:Arbor Viridanus wrote:People without predefined squads will be forced into team chat instead of being quarantined to a probably-useless squad chat. It makes it more likely for guys running solo with headsets to be able to communicate with other random people with headsets. They'll be able to co-ordinate better. where does it say this? CCP doesnt mention this anywhere i've looked. all I see is something that reinforces solo play. which is bad for Dust and especially noobs. expect high number of ragequits and rageposts incoming.
People who don't understand what is being done and then raging about it? Gee you don't say... |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:47:00 -
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I would just saying I can call out I need 3 AVs where to park and need escorts to take out x player's HAV.
Or call out for snipers to sweep the pipes on that ashlands map, who doenst like free targets? Or warn unattentive players somone is sneaking on them.
The whole team hears my call outs, not my squad, and generally 20-40% team participation helps out very much. Also loved being able to talk to my gunners in a drop ship. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:50:00 -
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Panoscape wrote:It's being removed so the server can sort and group players easier and form more competitive matches. I'm looking forward to more balanced battles.
I don't think it's related to this at all.
We spoke with Nullarbor about this a bit in the past in IRC. It was done for a couple of reasons:
As others have already said, to corral everyone into team chat who didn't join as a squad, instead of having everyone default into their randomized squad chat of 1-4 people and have voice comms massively split up.
Also, it will get rid of the randomness as to who is squad leader, or having that useless squad leader that doesn't know he's it. People who are competent and willing to be squad leader will be able to form their own squad during the lobby, and you could do something as simple as posting in team text chat telling people to join if you're open to randoms hopping in. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:10:00 -
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As long as it's easier to set a squad up in the lobby and i dont see 2 corps on the same team, i can say it's a improvement to me. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:12:00 -
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This change just made the existing squads so much better, blueberries don't stand a chance now that they can't earn OBs without squading on their own |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:14:00 -
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Like they could earn them before? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:20:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Like they could earn them before?
I've seen it. At the tail end of a game, but I've seen it.
I think this change is kind of silly. They should have just put team chat on by default and been done with it. This doesn't effect anyone that knows how to play the game, it just furthers hinders those who are still learning. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:This change just made the existing squads so much better, blueberries don't stand a chance now that they can't earn OBs without squading on their own
The only people I've ever seen call them in are people who are obviously running with pre-made squads. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:35:00 -
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Sergeant Wiznowski wrote:IMO Any move that reduces teamwork is bad and that's bad way . Blueberries will have no idea that squad orders exist.
Possibility of earning OB in public match just went down ... Even if you create squad no blueberry will join. They cannot even turn voice on.
I would welcome - bigger squads, default chat on, easier squading from player list or chat. From the list of things TBD they find one that no one asked for and might (let me stress - might) have a negative impact on new player experience.
1. Most random squads don't earn OB's, and those that do the majority of the time have an SL who doesn't know he got one or doens't know how to call it in anyway. This is a wash - no OB's before, none after.
2. Chat is on by default when you join a match if you have a mic, if memory serves. I could be wrong about this.
3. How does defaulting your comms to team where there are more people reduce teamwork? |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:35:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:Does this mean that Orbital Strikes are no longer available during pubs?
They'll be a lot rarer now. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Like they could earn them before? I've seen it. At the tail end of a game, but I've seen it. I think this change is kind of silly. They should have just put team chat on by default and been done with it. This doesn't effect anyone that knows how to play the game, it just furthers hinders those who are still learning.
Have you considered the extra stress put on the servers for all those random voice channels? Most of which don't even end up using them. |
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Rasputin La'Gar
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
28
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:53:00 -
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So much hate against lone wolves Some of us have more team etiquette than most squad players |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2013.02.19 19:18:00 -
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To the people saying it's a bad idea, you're ********.
First game I had about 8 randoms on comms all in Team Chat not in squad. went 47/3 with Tank (Called it in after the second death then got OBed at the end of the match) mostly because bluedots would do exactly what was asked. I'd call out an AV and all of a sudden a herd of players would come along. Someone would say let's farm this and nobody would hack the objective. It was beautiful.
Seriously, don't come on here yelling about nothing when you have no clue what it actually does. Instead of putting us in random squads by ourselves with no mics on, it puts us in a Team chat all together so we can talk and form squads if theres players around with mics. Most players haven't worked out how to switch to squad chat either so when they do make a squad they remain in Team Chat to talk to everyone.
My only gripe about not being in a Squad (Yeah I know I could always make one anyways but) is not being able to call in a OB if I'm not in a Squad. got over 3000 wp for that match and forgot to make a squad in the first place, so no OB. |
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