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Donkey Hawaii Bragian Order Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:07:00 - [1] - Quote Why does my death cannon loose to a heavy with an AR? HMGs should be cutting people in half instead of spraying people down with these pathetic little pellets. Increase the HMG's firepower and maybe the CPU and PG usage to balance things out.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:07:00 - [2] - Quote LOL if you arent cutting people down with this gun then your doing it wrong.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 384	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:09:00 - [3] - Quote You're doing it terribly
Donkey Hawaii Bragian Order Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:09:00 - [4] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: LOL if you arent cutting people down with this gun then your doing it wrong. HMG feels a little pointless when I can out dps it with an AR and for less CPU, PG, and isk
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 411	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:16:00 - [5] - Quote ARs should be brought into line once they fix the damage mods. That's what makes the GEK so damn deadly right now.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:31:00 - [6] - Quote Donkey Hawaii wrote: I suck, CCP please make me suck less This is all I read. Bad news for you too budy - HMG is about to get NERFED because people are crying it's OP.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 4	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:33:00 - [7] - Quote HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly.
Donkey Hawaii Bragian Order Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:36:00 - [8] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. That's the thing it takes no skill, but if I'm firing my HMG with an identical heavy with an AR, the AR wins. His bullets have far less drop off so all he has to do is aim for my head.
Donkey Hawaii Bragian Order Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:36:00 - [9] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Donkey Hawaii wrote: I suck, CCP please make me suck less This is all I read. Bad news for you too budy - HMG is about to get NERFED because people are crying it's OP. Don't judge me.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:38:00 - [10] - Quote Donkey Hawaii wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Donkey Hawaii wrote: I suck, CCP please make me suck less This is all I read. Bad news for you too budy - HMG is about to get NERFED because people are crying it's OP. Don't judge me. Too late.
The Lone Deranger Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:38:00 - [11] - Quote lol I'm actually fairly conflicted about this thread.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 411	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:39:00 - [12] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. Are you high or something?
Donkey Hawaii Bragian Order Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:40:00 - [13] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. Do you mind explaining yourself?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:42:00 - [14] - Quote Donkey Hawaii wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. Do you mind explaining yourself? Do you mind explaining how you're losing to AR heavies? You realize they can't run - right? They have to reload in 60 shots (Big opening to charge) and there hitbox is huge for our HMG to just pulverize them at the same distances assaults use AR to destroy us. I can't think of any reason to lose to an AR heavy other then he got too much distance on you and the ground between you two was open field.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:47:00 - [15] - Quote Dude. Guys go 40-5 with HMG's. They're not UP.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:51:00 - [16] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Dude. Guys go 40-5 with HMG's. They're not UP. People charging at HMGs doesn't make them Op, it makes the people charging at them stupid. I don't think they need a buff though.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 641	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:07:00 - [17] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. OP? Shut up...please.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 182	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:10:00 - [18] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. OP? Shut up...please. Someones mad they are getting nerfed. This river of tears isn't going to change that.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 641	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:16:00 - [19] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. OP? Shut up...please. Someones mad they are getting nerfed. This river of tears isn't going to change that. Nope. If you've seen me comment in the past, I've always said I'm fine with a slight range nerf and over heat nerf. Take this "river of tears" sh!t somewhere else.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 182	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:23:00 - [20] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. OP? Shut up...please. Someones mad they are getting nerfed. This river of tears isn't going to change that. Nope. If you've seen me comment in the past, I've always said I'm fine with a slight range nerf and over heat nerf. Take this "river of tears" sh!t somewhere else. So you agree the range is OP. Why are you being so rude to someone whom you agree with. He was just stating the obvious. You are obviously mad he called your weapon OP. Good job. Now you look like silly.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 641	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:31:00 - [21] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. OP? Shut up...please. Someones mad they are getting nerfed. This river of tears isn't going to change that. Nope. If you've seen me comment in the past, I've always said I'm fine with a slight range nerf and over heat nerf. Take this "river of tears" sh!t somewhere else. So you agree the range is OP. Why are you being so rude to someone whom you agree with. He was just stating the obvious. You are obviously mad he called your weapon OP. Good job. Now you look like silly. Nobody said anything about range till I mentioned it. I never said it was OP. It needs a tweak. Not like I'm killing snipers with it. Your trolling attempt is weak btw. All you ever do is talk about "rivers of tears"...time to start thinking about something else to say...maybe.
Jonny RIC0 ROGUE SPADES 37	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:32:00 - [22] - Quote Donkey Hawaii wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: LOL if you arent cutting people down with this gun then your doing it wrong. HMG feels a little pointless when I can out dps it with an AR and for less CPU, PG, and isk Can you really 'out dps' an HMG with an AR? I always rock an AR and I either have to jump around and get to cover or just run like hell when faced with a half-decent HMG user. If I root to the spot and trade shots I wouldn't expect to come out on top.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 182	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:40:00 - [23] - Quote Range being tweaked is a nerf lance. You fail at logic. Stop getting butthurt and telling people to shut up just for pointing out the obvious.
new hulk ZionTCD Legacy Rising 49	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:41:00 - [24] - Quote You people are idiots, nothing is getting nerfed. Besides the hmg is fine it's the heavy drop suite that is the problem.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 411	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:42:00 - [25] - Quote Jonny RIC0 wrote: Donkey Hawaii wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: LOL if you arent cutting people down with this gun then your doing it wrong. HMG feels a little pointless when I can out dps it with an AR and for less CPU, PG, and isk Can you really 'out dps' an HMG with an AR? I always rock an AR and I either have to jump around and get to cover or just run like hell when faced with a half-decent HMG user. If I root to the spot and trade shots I wouldn't expect to come out on top. The ability to fit additional complex damage mods on the lower-tier assault suits means they put out a very intimidating amount of DPS. It'll be better once the diminishing returns on damage mods work properly, right now they straight up add together, so two complex mods gets you 20%, when it should be getting you something closer to 18%, and stacking three will get you 30%, when it should also be lower. Suits fitted with a GEK or proto AR and large amounts of damage mods can almost go toe-to-toe with the HMG because of the broken returns.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 641	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:44:00 - [26] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Range being tweaked is a nerf lance. You fail at logic. Stop getting butthurt and telling people to shut up just for pointing out the obvious. Oh it is? Please link me where CCP said they are nerfing the range, or tell me what's the lottery numbers because you're obviously from the future. Edit: if they do decide to nerf it, then fine. I'm happy with a slight range nerf, till then people can stfu about it
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:45:00 - [27] - Quote new hulk wrote: You people are idiots, nothing is getting nerfed. Besides e hmg is fine it's the heavy drop suite that is the problem. Explain? I've read every thread and post regarding this issue. Most say it's the HMG and not the suit. If there's a problem with the suit - it's ADV and PROTO suck.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 641	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:49:00 - [28] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: new hulk wrote: You people are idiots, nothing is getting nerfed. Besides e hmg is fine it's the heavy drop suite that is the problem. Explain? I've read every thread and post regarding this issue. Most say it's the HMG and not the suit. If there's a problem with the suit - it's ADV and PROTO suck. Well the suit is a joke, so yeah. We have a crappy suit, and people crying for a HMG nerf... So If they nerf the HMG, and leave the suits as is, they may as well take the heavy + HMG class out of the game imo. Edit: by crappy suit, I mean, the price you're paying for a proto suit and what you're getting for it, makes no sense. You pay 200+k ISK extra for an extra high slot (from B series) and a little CPU.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 182	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:49:00 - [29] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Range being tweaked is a nerf lance. You fail at logic. Stop getting butthurt and telling people to shut up just for pointing out the obvious. Oh it is? Please link me where CCP said they are nerfing the range, or tell me what's the lottery numbers because you're obviously from the future. I am from the future and we need to stop the order of the 12 monkeys from destroying the world. HMG is getting a range nerf as well.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 325	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:49:00 - [30] - Quote a lot of crybabies in this thread.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:20:00 - [31] - Quote Donkey Hawaii wrote: Why does my death cannon loose to a heavy with an AR? HMGs should be cutting people in half instead of spraying people down with these pathetic little pellets. Increase the HMG's firepower and maybe the CPU and PG usage to balance things out. Dude wait until you see folks running four complex damage mods on an AR then you are going to see no heavies other than newbs or masochistic heavies that like dying.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:23:00 - [32] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Donkey Hawaii wrote: Why does my death cannon loose to a heavy with an AR? HMGs should be cutting people in half instead of spraying people down with these pathetic little pellets. Increase the HMG's firepower and maybe the CPU and PG usage to balance things out. Dude wait until you see folks running four complex damage mods on an AR then you are going to see no heavies other than newbs or masochistic heavies that like dying. Is that so? I actually think 4 damage complex mods means your walking bait to us. You can kill us fast - sure - but we can still kill you just as fast and you're wearing some good gear to get to that point - where as Type-II is enough for us.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:27:00 - [33] - Quote HMG: nerf range, buff HP on suit. Problem solved. You're welcome.
GeneralButtNaked Burnwall Industries 54	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:29:00 - [34] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: HMG: nerf range, buff HP on suit. Problem solved. You're welcome. that would depend on how much each way. Also, we talking base range nerf, or sharpshooter nerf?
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:55:00 - [35] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Donkey Hawaii wrote: Why does my death cannon loose to a heavy with an AR? HMGs should be cutting people in half instead of spraying people down with these pathetic little pellets. Increase the HMG's firepower and maybe the CPU and PG usage to balance things out. Dude wait until you see folks running four complex damage mods on an AR then you are going to see no heavies other than newbs or masochistic heavies that like dying. Is that so? I actually think 4 damage complex mods means your walking bait to us. You can kill us fast - sure - but we can still kill you just as fast and you're wearing some good gear to get to that point - where as Type-II is enough for us. Perhaps you FORGOT that I play a HEAVY??? Its getting common to see a GEK AR user with two damage mods win versus my HMG. So all my skillpoints are going into SCOUT since trying heavy is ok at beginner levels but at more advanced levels its just no!! If I really wanted to make a point of how bad it is then its lol fun to use four complex damage mods on an SMG versus a HMG. The SMG gets a headshot bonus and the HMG does not. When I finish training scout then I will try out Logi if the new suits are a disgrace.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:57:00 - [36] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Donkey Hawaii wrote: Why does my death cannon loose to a heavy with an AR? HMGs should be cutting people in half instead of spraying people down with these pathetic little pellets. Increase the HMG's firepower and maybe the CPU and PG usage to balance things out. Dude wait until you see folks running four complex damage mods on an AR then you are going to see no heavies other than newbs or masochistic heavies that like dying. Is that so? I actually think 4 damage complex mods means your walking bait to us. You can kill us fast - sure - but we can still kill you just as fast and you're wearing some good gear to get to that point - where as Type-II is enough for us. Perhaps you FORGOT that I play a HEAVY??? Its getting common to see a GEK AR user with two damage mods win versus my HMG. So all my skillpoints are going into SCOUT since trying heavy is ok at beginner levels but at more advanced levels its just no!! If I really wanted to make a point of how bad it is then its lol fun to use four complex damage mods on an SMG versus a HMG. The SMG gets a headshot bonus and the HMG does not. When I finish training scout then I will try out Logi if the new suits are a disgrace. As prophacized two weeks ago in ever Heavy/HMG QQ thread.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.19 01:00:00 - [37] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Donkey Hawaii wrote: Why does my death cannon loose to a heavy with an AR? HMGs should be cutting people in half instead of spraying people down with these pathetic little pellets. Increase the HMG's firepower and maybe the CPU and PG usage to balance things out. Dude wait until you see folks running four complex damage mods on an AR then you are going to see no heavies other than newbs or masochistic heavies that like dying. Is that so? I actually think 4 damage complex mods means your walking bait to us. You can kill us fast - sure - but we can still kill you just as fast and you're wearing some good gear to get to that point - where as Type-II is enough for us. Perhaps you FORGOT that I play a HEAVY??? Its getting common to see a GEK AR user with two damage mods win versus my HMG. So all my skillpoints are going into SCOUT since trying heavy is ok at beginner levels but at more advanced levels its just no!! If I really wanted to make a point of how bad it is then its lol fun to use four complex damage mods on an SMG versus a HMG. The SMG gets a headshot bonus and the HMG does not. When I finish training scout then I will try out Logi if the new suits are a disgrace. Forgot? I don't even know you lol If you're asking me to remember you from other posts - then I'd have to remember everyone. One man can't handle all that :O In theory AR Heavies are very versatile - but the end of the last build showed me my mistake. Without the fire power to back being unable to retreat we'll find a lot of very bad situations. The only viable way to be AR heavy is to put massive SP into it - which was possible up until last build. And let me know how that scout things go - I've been wanting to try that myself.
C20H25N30 Neko Inc. 3	Posted - 2013.02.19 01:06:00 - [38] - Quote The only thing I think heavyset need is a longer wind up time for the HMG. If they even have one
Scalesdini Universal Allies Inc. 57	Posted - 2013.02.19 01:10:00 - [39] - Quote Anyone losing heavy suits one on one to anything besides lasers at range, snipers, or other heavies is doing it wrong. GEK/Duvolle users with damage mods are just target practice with high rewards vs Type II heavy with complex extender, complex regulator and complex armor repairer. This assumes there's no horribad lag going on, which puts a heavy at an instant disadvantage to literally everything else. As far as AR heavies taking you out OP, get better. I run AR heavy, and unless the situation is in my favor or the heavy is flat out bad, I'm going to lose 65-70% of the time.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.19 01:24:00 - [40] - Quote I use an AR with my heavy and in close quarters the Heavy with the HMG will kill me, but if you are one of those Idiots who use militia Heavy with a standard HMG and expect to Kill everything, I have to tell you that will not happen.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 411	Posted - 2013.02.19 01:27:00 - [41] - Quote C20H25N30 wrote: The only thing I think heavyset need is a longer wind up time for the HMG. If they even have one Giving the designated room-clearing weapon a wind up time would kill it. With fire. This is a bad idea.
Gelan Corbaine BetaMax. 103	Posted - 2013.02.19 01:28:00 - [42] - Quote C20H25N30 wrote: The only thing I think heavyset need is a longer wind up time for the HMG. If they even have one You seriously want to kill the HMG. Wind up = All Heavies switching to AR's .
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2013.02.19 09:20:00 - [43] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Dude. Guys go 40-5 with HMG's. They're not UP. they go 40 and 5 becuase people are stupid and run at them head on and Ive seen my room mate, who goes one on one with exmaple on a regular basis, do significantly better on a regular basis with a free AR assualt build. also on a type 2 with AR I can go 40-5 with ease so your reasoning is stupid.
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 254	Posted - 2013.02.19 10:30:00 - [44] - Quote I hope you guys realize that if they nerf the HMG.. It won't be a slight* one*... It'll be like beating it with a sledgehammer, setting it on fire and throwing over a cliff. Previous nerfings prove this
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.02.19 10:54:00 - [45] - Quote I think HMG needs huge range nerf. Their big HMG should not be as accurate if not more accurate as my 15lb AR. If you are only gonna SLIGHTLY nerf their range than it should have crazy spray from mid-long range. Try using Scout than tell me you're at a disadvantage in Heavy suit.
trollface dot jpg Destined 4 Biomass 24	Posted - 2013.02.19 11:05:00 - [46] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. OP? Shut up...please. fred orpaul wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: Dude. Guys go 40-5 with HMG's. They're not UP. they go 40 and 5 becuase people are stupid and run at them head on and Ive seen my room mate, who goes one on one with exmaple on a regular basis, do significantly better on a regular basis with a free AR assualt build. also on a type 2 with AR I can go 40-5 with ease so your reasoning is stupid. Hold on... Just a sec... ....almost there.... Alright! My funnel is in place! Time for my plan.... Step 1: Bottle HMG nerf tears Step 2: Market HMG nerf tears Step 3: ???? Step 4: Profit wait....... I THINK I KNOW STEP 3 THIS TIME!!!!!
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.19 11:07:00 - [47] - Quote trollface dot jpg wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. OP? Shut up...please. Hold on... Just a sec... ....almost there.... Alright! My funnel is in place! Time for my plan.... Step 1: Bottle HMG nerf tears Step 2: Market HMG nerf tears Step 3: ???? Step 4: Profit wait....... I THINK I KNOW STEP 3 THIS TIME!!!!! Share with us this revelation of yours. What is step 3?
trollface dot jpg Destined 4 Biomass 24	Posted - 2013.02.19 11:10:00 - [48] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: trollface dot jpg wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: HMG are actually pretty OP tbh, you sir probably lack the skill to use them properly. OP? Shut up...please. Hold on... Just a sec... ....almost there.... Alright! My funnel is in place! Time for my plan.... Step 1: Bottle HMG nerf tears Step 2: Market HMG nerf tears Step 3: ???? Step 4: Profit wait....... I THINK I KNOW STEP 3 THIS TIME!!!!! Share with us this revelation of yours. What is step 3? I... think...it's.... gah, I lost it.... my brain meats could not keep hold of it's awesomeness for long...
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2013.02.19 11:10:00 - [49] - Quote HMGs being UP ? They're fine. Except for their insta-max accuracy and insta firing when they should take 1-2 sec to start spinning and firing
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.02.19 11:13:00 - [50] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: HMGs being UP ? They're fine. Except for their insta-max accuracy and insta firing when they should take 1-2 sec to start spinning and firing I agree with this, also PLEASE nerf their accuracy! I don't care how much you lift you are not gonna hold a heavy gun that size to shoot as accurate as a guy holds a 15 lb AR!

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