DUST Search - So you think you are Pro-skilled?

EnIgMa99 wrote:

semperfi1999 wrote:

Beren Hurin wrote:

Read this: "The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.

Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".

tl;dr- Actual good players are probably under-rating themselves. So you know that you are really good if you aren't the guy getting on the forums bragging about how good you are.

Well i think if you have a 10 KDR or greater (without tanking just running infantry mostly) then its probably pretty safe to assume that you are a pretty elite player.

I know that I am an above average FPS player but still doesnt really explain how well I do in dust sometimes............I think some of it has to do with how many below average FPS players we have.

I attest to this mans ownerage

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Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.02.15 17:52:00 - [1] - Quote Read this: "The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others". tl;dr- Actual good players are probably under-rating themselves. So you know that you are really good if you aren't the guy getting on the forums bragging about how good you are.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 117	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:11:00 - [2] - Quote so which one is Zitro's uncle? I wanna say its Kruger but I honestly cant remember
METR0 THE DESTR0YER Imperfects Negative-Feedback 76	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:13:00 - [3] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: so which one is Zitro's uncle? I wanna say its Kruger but I honestly cant remember Both
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:32:00 - [4] - Quote Interesting. The best players are always super critical of their own playstyle. Contantly doughting themselves. Imperfect perfectionists. Although when I fool myself into thinking I am the best, I often play much better in that mentality.
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 254	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:34:00 - [5] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Interesting. The best players are always super critical of their own playstyle. Contantly doughting themselves. Imperfect perfectionists. Although when I fool myself into thinking I am the best, I often play much better in that mentality. Doubting* Lol
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:35:00 - [6] - Quote Often times I doubt my ability to stab others.
Phoenix Archer 128 Better Hide R Die 89	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:41:00 - [7] - Quote Average player here...can we just play for fun for once and not worry about stats? Please? insert puppy dog eyes here
C Saunders Serenity Prime Kraken. 158	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:46:00 - [8] - Quote Phoenix Archer 128 wrote: Average player here...can we just play for fun for once and not worry about stats? Please? insert puppy dog eyes here Shouldn't you be on the Starhawk forums telling everyone about your hawk skills? Also I believe that corp of yours is missing an O before your R.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:03:00 - [9] - Quote Lol leave Phoenix alone, he's a level headed cat(of which we could use a few more of around here.) and from what I remember 6+ months ago few pilots were better, with exception of Southern Comfort, PLYMCO_PILGRIM(who's also BHD if I remember right) and few others. I'm probably not remembered over at the Starhawk forums but I figured I'd give props were I know there due.
Phoenix Archer 128 Better Hide R Die 89	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:06:00 - [10] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Also I believe that corp of yours is missing an O before your R. We were the victims of hate...someone decided to take our name in EVE (made an alt of our leader's name and took our corp name) a good year or so ago...so we had to get creative... EDIT: You can easily look it up lol. Oh, and the current spelling is the same as it was in MAG (though it was like that due to a character limit rather than spelling error...)

gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 373	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:12:00 - [11] - Quote you could have mixed upper case and lower case you know
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:18:00 - [12] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Read this: "The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others". tl;dr- Actual good players are probably under-rating themselves. So you know that you are really good if you aren't the guy getting on the forums bragging about how good you are. Well i think if you have a 10 KDR or greater (without tanking just running infantry mostly) then its probably pretty safe to assume that you are a pretty elite player. I know that I am an above average FPS player but still doesnt really explain how well I do in dust sometimes............I think some of it has to do with how many below average FPS players we have.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:58:00 - [13] - Quote I was just going to drop in on this thread and answer the title with a simple, "No." But then I read the OP and now I am confused.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:10:00 - [14] - Quote Aighun wrote: I was just going to drop in on this thread and answer the title with a simple, "No." But then I read the OP and now I am confused. I think according to the Dunning-Kruger effect, confused people are just confused. They might make the best team players, as they will be asking good questions to unconfuse themselves, therein helping others learn with them. It is good that you have come out of the closet with your confusion. Suppressing confusion can lead to some seriously suppressed trauma and behavior, such as afk SP farming.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 583	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:26:00 - [15] - Quote I think all aspects of life should be approached with a healthy dose of humility. Gaming included.
smokinghettodope Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 7	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:38:00 - [16] - Quote I think I am "pro-skilled" raging people in pub games... until my corp wants to queue "sync", then this person named FizzyCandy pwnds me. I mean seriously i put a whole clip into this guy and what happens? he hops around like a bunny and yells sorry KELLER hahaha. I need to get on their level
NeWBAD FuRrY Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:40:00 - [17] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Read this: "The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others". tl;dr- Actual good players are probably under-rating themselves. So you know that you are really good if you aren't the guy getting on the forums bragging about how good you are. I dont know man ... but then agen LOL !! ROFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 326	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:44:00 - [18] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Well i think if you have a 10 KDR or greater (without tanking just running infantry mostly) then its probably pretty safe to assume that you are a pretty elite player. I know that I am an above average FPS player but still doesnt really explain how well I do in dust sometimes............I think some of it has to do with how many below average FPS players we have. Who has a 10.0 KDR with more than at least 50 games and only running infantry?
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:45:00 - [19] - Quote I'm so lukewarm. Wait, but the inverse of lukewarm is still lukewarm....
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:00:00 - [20] - Quote Quote: Who has a 10.0 KDR with more than at least 50 games and only running infantry? I doubt 10.0 KDR is possible solo, without a team, without tanks, without l33t logoff tricks to save a death on the frontline. You can never account for something spawning into your rear end or by getting rolled when your team consists of below average individuals or running into a pack of wild carnivorous lemmings coming out from totally nowhere all of a sudden. Happens to me all the time, "good god where t F*** is everyone ...."cricket chirps" then all of a sudden you get rushed by 8 guys" My favorite moment is still spawning in front of a enemy LAV moving at me at top-speed, then re-spawning while you think oh FFS ...its behind me now ..aaand die again without being to influence the outcome in any way.

semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:02:00 - [21] - Quote Um proto man and reg to name two I know who run primarily infantry and have greater than 10 KDRs. Oh and if you disconnect or logoff of dust....you still get the death counted against you. The only way you dont is if the server itself crashes...then noone loses or gains anything.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:03:00 - [22] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Read this: "The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others". tl;dr- Actual good players are probably under-rating themselves. So you know that you are really good if you aren't the guy getting on the forums bragging about how good you are. Well i think if you have a 10 KDR or greater (without tanking just running infantry mostly) then its probably pretty safe to assume that you are a pretty elite player. I know that I am an above average FPS player but still doesnt really explain how well I do in dust sometimes............I think some of it has to do with how many below average FPS players we have. I attest to this mans ownerage
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:07:00 - [23] - Quote EnIgMa99 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Read this: "The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others". tl;dr- Actual good players are probably under-rating themselves. So you know that you are really good if you aren't the guy getting on the forums bragging about how good you are. Well i think if you have a 10 KDR or greater (without tanking just running infantry mostly) then its probably pretty safe to assume that you are a pretty elite player. I know that I am an above average FPS player but still doesnt really explain how well I do in dust sometimes............I think some of it has to do with how many below average FPS players we have. I attest to this mans ownerage I have to admit I was pretty on top of my game the last time we squadded up. Going 130 some odd kills with 0 deaths over a period of 4 skirmishes (and me not being leader so no OBS) was pretty boss. (oh and I run infantry only for those who dont know)
Talruum Tezztarozza Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:12:00 - [24] - Quote There is also old saying said that (Buddhist proverb I believe) "The more you think you are smart, the dumber you become. The more you think you are dumb, the smarter you become"
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F 107	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:21:00 - [25] - Quote Why yes, yes I am...
Rasputin La'Gar Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:32:00 - [26] - Quote So you can't be honest enough with yourself to know where you stand? The after-battle rankings speak for themselves, but I realize I'm playing against scrubs 90% of the time
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:33:00 - [27] - Quote Talruum Tezztarozza wrote: There is also old saying said that (Buddhist proverb I believe) "The more you think you are smart, the dumber you become. The more you think you are dumb, the smarter you become" Dunno about that one, never heard it. Lao Tzu talked a lot about that subject: GÇ£To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.GÇ¥ GÇ£Knowing others is wisdom, knowing yourself is enlightenment.GÇ¥ Or Confucius: GÇ£Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.GÇ¥ I'm sure there are thousands of quotes on this subject though, many I've heard but can't recall right now. Philosophers have been speaking out against the dangers of thinking you know more than you do for as long as there have been philosophers.
Deadeyes Anterie Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION 269	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:35:00 - [28] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Talruum Tezztarozza wrote: There is also old saying said that (Buddhist proverb I believe) "The more you think you are smart, the dumber you become. The more you think you are dumb, the smarter you become" Dunno about that one, never heard it. Lao Tzu talked a lot about that subject: GÇ£To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.GÇ¥ GÇ£Knowing others is wisdom, knowing yourself is enlightenment.GÇ¥ Or Confucius: GÇ£Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.GÇ¥ I'm sure there are thousands of quotes on this subject though, many I've heard but can't recall right now. Philosophers have been speaking out against the dangers of thinking you know more than you do for as long as there have been philosophers. I love the philosophy post belongs to a member or 'TRUE TEA BAGGERS'
Talruum Tezztarozza Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:41:00 - [29] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: I'm sure there are thousands of quotes on this subject though, many I've heard but can't recall right now. Philosophers have been speaking out against the dangers of thinking you know more than you do for as long as there have been philosophers. Indeed. Sad thing is, thousands of years later, most people still not understand it.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2013.02.15 21:49:00 - [30] - Quote I don't think the concept applies that much. (Maybe for making fittings and investing SP) Nobody is going to think they're above average while getting steamrolled; that's some pretty prominent feedback. If anything, the problem is with mercs struggling to unwind their personal FPS skills from the game's RPG elements and the support of their teammates. That random, 600k SP, NPC corp employed redberry you just annihilated could easily be a FPS god compared to you. (Not that guy shooting at the MCC, though. He clearly stinks.)



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