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DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:32:00 -
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Like we all had talked about long ago? |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:36:00 -
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of course not |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:38:00 -
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Trade system to be implemented next expansion
It will be one on one trading though, no marketing.
I am not looking forward to local chat when it lands.... or all the tear crying. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:39:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:of course not
I figured so. I knew it as soon as a loooooong time ago when the forums were closed that devs started telling people it would happen XD People were like "yes! so now I can sell all my skinweave bpos for tons of ISK " ha.. |
LXicon
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:39:00 -
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the migration to tranquility (last month) was needed before dust and eve could even talk to each other. they are going to go slow on letting the dust and eve economies interact to avoid market collapses and stuff. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Trade system to be implemented next expansion
It will be one on one trading though, no marketing.
I am not looking forward to local chat when it lands.... or all the tear crying.
one on one? that sounds like a good way for people to just boost each other... |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:42:00 -
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The Dust economy needs more work before that happens. CCP is trying to be careful because once the Dust economy connects to the Eve economy there will be fluctuations in the market and they are trying to avoid any adverse effects. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:42:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Trade system to be implemented next expansion
It will be one on one trading though, no marketing.
I am not looking forward to local chat when it lands.... or all the tear crying. one on one? that sounds like a good way for people to just boost each other...
Of course, no limits on how high your low you sell stuff. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Trade system to be implemented next expansion
It will be one on one trading though, no marketing.
I am not looking forward to local chat when it lands.... or all the tear crying. one on one? that sounds like a good way for people to just boost each other... Of course, no limits on how high your low you sell stuff.
so why not impliment limits for certain items where it makes sense that way people arent boosting. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:47:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:so why not impliment limits for certain items where it makes sense that way people arent boosting.
Never going to happen. CCP will link both Eve and Dust economies together and the New Eden market has no limit on the volume of commodities bought and sold between players. It's been like this for 10 years already and so far New Eden has prospered. |
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DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:50:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:so why not impliment limits for certain items where it makes sense that way people arent boosting. Never going to happen. CCP will link both Eve and Dust economies together and the New Eden market has no limit on the volume of commodities bought and sold between players. It's been like this for 10 years already and so far New Eden has prospered.
1) Dust is a different game
2) people already amass tons of ISK already, 3, if we get one on one, people can just give people Aur guns for minimial profit, making the game highly unbalanced and unfair. Not that its not super hard for someone stepping in to play, but I am not one of those people ^-^ |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:54:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Trade system to be implemented next expansion
It will be one on one trading though, no marketing.
I am not looking forward to local chat when it lands.... or all the tear crying. one on one? that sounds like a good way for people to just boost each other... Of course, no limits on how high your low you sell stuff. so why not impliment limits for certain items where it makes sense that way people arent boosting. eve online doesny have limits, its a player driven econmy, no npc prices at all, nada |
Sebastian Seraphim
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
25
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:54:00 -
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Like what Maken said, it's going to take a while before a fully connected market is implemented. Also considering the fact that it's the players that made the market manifest into what it is now.
Each item in DUST will also need to have it's own mineral recipe I.E. what minerals it needs to be created. So with all these determining factors that are involved to connect DUST to one of the most, if not most complex market in any game to EVE... It's going to take quite a while.. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:55:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:so why not impliment limits for certain items where it makes sense that way people arent boosting. Never going to happen. CCP will link both Eve and Dust economies together and the New Eden market has no limit on the volume of commodities bought and sold between players. It's been like this for 10 years already and so far New Eden has prospered. 1) Dust is a different game 2) people already amass tons of ISK already, 3, if we get one on one, people can just give people Aur guns for minimial profit, making the game highly unbalanced and unfair. Not that its not super hard for someone stepping in to play, but I am not one of those people ^-^
It will also be possible to give people free weapons. IS this somethign you don't want? What kind of mmo wouldn't let you freely trade gear with each other? |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:57:00 -
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Sebastian Seraphim wrote:Like what Maken said, it's going to take a while before a fully connected market is implemented. Also considering the fact that it's the players that made the market manifest into what it is now.
Each item in DUST will also need to have it's own mineral recipe I.E. what minerals it needs to be created. So with all these determining factors that are involved to connect DUST to one of the most, if not most complex market in any game to EVE... It's going to take quite a while..
I wanna see this topic of each item having mineral limits D: |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:59:00 -
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Another thing you have to remember that when you sell items to another player (once the market is fully operational) you are selling them at a price they are willing to pay based on the real-world law of supply and demand.
If the supply is low and demand is high, the price of a commodity will increase accordingly.
If the supply is high and demand is low, the price of a commodity will decrease accordingly.
If you try to sell an item on the market for 10,000,000 ISK when it's worth only 10,000 ISK, you will never find a customer who will buy it unless they are idiots. Also, there will be others who will undercut you by selling a similar item for 9,999 ISK in an effort to take away your customers.
The same goes with placing a buy order. Most of the time, players will fire sell their stock of unwanted items which is what savvy buyers are looking for because the sellers are giving away the items at a price that is less then what their worth. Once the items have been bought, the buyer then becomes the seller by selling the same time on the same market but at a marked up price and thus profit from the difference in cost and revenue. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.02.15 18:05:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Another thing you have to remember that when you sell items to another player (once the market is fully operational) you are selling them at a price they are willing to pay based on the real-world law of supply and demand.
If the supply is low and demand is high, the price of a commodity will increase accordingly.
If the supply is high and demand is low, the price of a commodity will decrease accordingly.
If you try to sell an item on the market for 10,000,000 ISK when it's worth only 10,000 ISK, you will never find a customer who will buy it unless they are idiots. Also, there will be others who will undercut you by selling a similar item for 9,999 ISK in an effort to take away your customers.
The same goes with placing a buy order. Most of the time, players will fire sell their stock of unwanted items which is what savvy buyers are looking for because the sellers are giving away the items at a price that is less then what their worth. Once the items have been bought, the buyer then becomes the seller by selling the same time on the same market but at a marked up price and thus profit from the difference in cost and revenue.
*nods* |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.02.15 18:07:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:so why not impliment limits for certain items where it makes sense that way people arent boosting. Never going to happen. CCP will link both Eve and Dust economies together and the New Eden market has no limit on the volume of commodities bought and sold between players. It's been like this for 10 years already and so far New Eden has prospered. 1) Dust is a different game 2) people already amass tons of ISK already, 3, if we get one on one, people can just give people Aur guns for minimial profit, making the game highly unbalanced and unfair. Not that its not super hard for someone stepping in to play, but I am not one of those people ^-^
1. You are right. Dust is a different game. But the market will not be different as CCP clearly stated in various interviews with gaming companies like Eurogamer, Ten Ton Hammer, and the Playstation Blogs, that the market in Dust will be virtually player-controlled with little to almost no interference from CCP. Get ready to be scammed... a lot.
2. Doesn't matter. In Eve Online, there are players who amassed billions of ISK but tend to struggle with certain payments like corporate/alliance upkeep cost, production cost, market cost, ship replacements and reimbursements, logistical cost, etc. You'd be surprised how much ISK players spend to earn ISK.
Also, what kind of moron will give an AUR item to a complete stranger for minimal profit? Unless those two individuals have a deal going on behind closed doors, that will never happen. It's like spending $15 to buy PLEX from CCP only to sell it in the market for 100,000,000 ISK. Dumb idea. A stranger will always want to rip off another stranger for maximum profit. It's in our nature as humans. |
DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.15 18:12:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:DarkShadowFox wrote:so why not impliment limits for certain items where it makes sense that way people arent boosting. Never going to happen. CCP will link both Eve and Dust economies together and the New Eden market has no limit on the volume of commodities bought and sold between players. It's been like this for 10 years already and so far New Eden has prospered. 1) Dust is a different game 2) people already amass tons of ISK already, 3, if we get one on one, people can just give people Aur guns for minimial profit, making the game highly unbalanced and unfair. Not that its not super hard for someone stepping in to play, but I am not one of those people ^-^ 1. You are right. Dust is a different game. But the market will not be different as CCP clearly stated in various interviews with gaming companies like Eurogamer, Ten Ton Hammer, and the Playstation Blogs, that the market in Dust will be virtually player-controlled with little to almost no interference from CCP. Get ready to be scammed... a lot. 2. Doesn't matter. In Eve Online, there are players who amassed billions of ISK but tend to struggle with certain payments like corporate/alliance upkeep cost, production cost, market cost, ship replacements and reimbursements, logistical cost, etc. You'd be surprised how much ISK players spend to earn ISK. Also, what kind of moron will give an AUR item to a complete stranger for minimal profit? Unless those two individuals have a deal going on behind closed doors, that will never happen. A stranger will always want to rip off another stranger for maximum profit. It's in our nature as humans.
what if I dont want to do that last one D: I must not be a human D:> |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.02.15 18:15:00 -
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@DarkShadowFox
You will do it. You spent real-world cash to get that AUR item. You will want to get the most out of it. And when someone does buy that item from you at such a stupidly generous price, do you think they will use that item in battle? No! They will turn around and sell it at a huge mark up if they can to rip off someone.
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You are also allowing yourself to be ripped off because you are not getting your ISK worth when you short sell. |
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.02.15 18:17:00 -
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nvm double post |
Bucktooth Badger
Buck's Intergalactic Pawn Shop
65
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Posted - 2013.02.15 19:43:00 -
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Thinking out loud ...
Will CCP allow the trade of AUR on the market / between players?
Trading an AUR item for ISK would probably be fine, as ISK is a virtual currency. But if a player was to trade an item for AUR would that be acceptable, being that AUR can only be obtained with RL money?
Do such transactions take place in Eve? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.02.15 20:01:00 -
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Edited
Disregard what I said. |
Bucktooth Badger
Buck's Intergalactic Pawn Shop
65
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Posted - 2013.02.18 08:11:00 -
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Ah I see in Iron Wolf Saber's theorised patch notes - Iron's notes That he suspects no AUR trading between players, if that is really the case then that's a poor show by CCP.
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SquaggaTCT
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.02.18 08:25:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The Dust economy needs more work before that happens. CCP is trying to be careful because once the Dust economy connects to the Eve economy there will be fluctuations in the market and they are trying to avoid any adverse effects. Thats probobly the most realistic answer. Also one that I ahd noticed the devs of CCP note in interviews almost immediately. I am howwever hoping that we can do this within the DUSt community. At the very least I would like to give some of my officer gear to some of my corp mates . Things that I know i will never use |
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