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Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:14:00 - [1] - Quote Ok so I have made it to a type 2 heavy suit with either enhanced armor rep or enhanced armor. My dropsuits cost a fortune. I have to make sure I only die 4 times in order to break even. Guess what it looks like it gets worse..... top tier suits alone cost more than I can ever make in a match and they don't even look that awesome..... one more low powered slot that is nuts!!!! I think should stick to trying to level up modules or weapon skills
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:15:00 - [2] - Quote Ultimate Heavy wrote: Ok so I have made it to a type 2 heavy suit with either enhanced armor rep or enhanced armor. My dropsuits cost a fortune. I have to make sure I only die 4 times in order to break even. Guess what it looks like it gets worse..... top tier suits alone cost more than I can ever make in a match and they don't even look that awesome..... one more low powered slot that is nuts!!!! I think should stick to trying to level up modules or weapon skills Hello fellow heavy. I don't run militia ever and have 25 mil in my bank. I only use Type-II, basic HMG, militia nades, and 2x complex mods. So maybe you're doing it wrong? ^^
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:16:00 - [3] - Quote Ultimate Heavy wrote: Ok so I have made it to a type 2 heavy suit with either enhanced armor rep or enhanced armor. My dropsuits cost a fortune. I have to make sure I only die 4 times in order to break even. Guess what it looks like it gets worse..... top tier suits alone cost more than I can ever make in a match and they don't even look that awesome..... one more low powered slot that is nuts!!!! I think should stick to trying to level up modules or weapon skills Rule #5 of Dust: Don't use what you can't lose.
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:18:00 - [4] - Quote Sounds like Ultimate might be an exaggeration.
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:25:00 - [5] - Quote I was just wondering what the rewards were for a top tier suit with top modules and top HMG because on paper the only difference is basically more isk..... and what if I had a top LAV in the battle. One explosion and I would be out 300k isk and I think that is low?????
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:33:00 - [6] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Ultimate Heavy wrote: Ok so I have made it to a type 2 heavy suit with either enhanced armor rep or enhanced armor. My dropsuits cost a fortune. I have to make sure I only die 4 times in order to break even. Guess what it looks like it gets worse..... top tier suits alone cost more than I can ever make in a match and they don't even look that awesome..... one more low powered slot that is nuts!!!! I think should stick to trying to level up modules or weapon skills Hello fellow heavy. I don't run militia ever and have 25 mil in my bank. I only use Type-II, basic HMG, militia nades, and 2x complex mods. So maybe you're doing it wrong? ^^ Type -II suit too 54,000 a piece sitting on 72. Mil maybe your doing it wrong Sota. But seriously even the new guys are figuring out the high end heavy suits need a huge buff! An extra low and high slot for proto and an extra low spot for advanced! I mean we can't hardleynuse any armor cause it slows us down and reps slow.
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:34:00 - [7] - Quote Here's an example. I was in a skirmish earlier today and my squad placed on the top five but we got our butts handed to us....should I #1 when I lose X many suits and break even just switch to the free ones or #2 go in the hole...I have to say that in the beginning isk wasn't a big deal but the suits were terrible. What if my side wins the skirmish then we get back a percentage of isk spent?
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 428	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:36:00 - [8] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Type -II suit too 54,000 a piece sitting on 72. Mil maybe your doing it wrong Sota. But seriously even the new guys are figuring out the high end heavy suits need a huge buff! An extra low and high slot for proto and an extra low spot for advanced! I mean we can't hardleynuse any armor cause it slows us down and reps slow. Holy crap only 54 K? Before the wipe that's how much my Type II Assault fitting cost. That's really cheap for a heavy. Also I don't understand what OP is saying much. Does OP want more money for bringing more expensive things to the table? All I can say in that case is SOON.
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:37:00 - [9] - Quote Alright sota I will try your configuration
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:37:00 - [10] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Ultimate Heavy wrote: Ok so I have made it to a type 2 heavy suit with either enhanced armor rep or enhanced armor. My dropsuits cost a fortune. I have to make sure I only die 4 times in order to break even. Guess what it looks like it gets worse..... top tier suits alone cost more than I can ever make in a match and they don't even look that awesome..... one more low powered slot that is nuts!!!! I think should stick to trying to level up modules or weapon skills Hello fellow heavy. I don't run militia ever and have 25 mil in my bank. I only use Type-II, basic HMG, militia nades, and 2x complex mods. So maybe you're doing it wrong? ^^ Type -II suit too 54,000 a piece sitting on 72. Mil maybe your doing it wrong Sota. But seriously even the new guys are figuring out the high end heavy suits need a huge buff! An extra low and high slot for proto and an extra low spot for advanced! I mean we can't hardleynuse any armor cause it slows us down and reps slow. You've double my kills and triple my ISK. Yup I'm doin' it wrong lol Maybe I'm havin' a bit too much fun with my LAV's lol Lady Red Line has taken much from me.

leafblades Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:39:00 - [11] - Quote I always figured you run a welfare dropsuit for making money and you pull out all your shiny bells and whistles for important things like real mercenary work, events, and corp matches... ?
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 485	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:43:00 - [12] - Quote leafblades wrote: I always figured you run a welfare dropsuit for making money and you pull out all your shiny bells and whistles for important things like real mercenary work, events, and corp matches... ? Standard tier stuff isn't shiny bells and whistles
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:49:00 - [13] - Quote leafblades wrote: I always figured you run a welfare dropsuit for making money and you pull out all your shiny bells and whistles for important things like real mercenary work, events, and corp matches... ? Yeah that's what I was thinking but then you won't get accustomed to your nice suits and I don't believe I am putting forth 120% to help my team win..... isn't that what this game is about or is it just help until you break even?
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:50:00 - [14] - Quote leafblades wrote: I always figured you run a welfare dropsuit for making money and you pull out all your shiny bells and whistles for important things like real mercenary work, events, and corp matches... ? That's true to some effect, but the best advice I can give is win your fights. And to do this better gear helps. I was a victim of this thinking in builds past, and its a self full filling prophecy. " I will just take off this expensive mod here or that gun there" thinking I am saving money but the truth is you are just nickeling and diming your way to more deaths. It was a hard mindset to get over. But the truth is you olay better in better gear. One because you don't want to loose it, two because it helps you last a few bullets longer or hit that much harder. At the end of the day you died less and killed more which means profit. So my advice to all is to use the best gear you can whenever you can! Some of the best players in this game are using very expensive gear and are dust rich.
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:58:00 - [15] - Quote I have one more question. Would it be worth it to invest in my shields because for a heavy it looks like a lot of sp to invest in order to get shield enhancers
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2013.02.12 05:01:00 - [16] - Quote Ultimate Heavy wrote: I have one more question. Would it be worth it to invest in my shields because for a heavy it looks like a lot of sp to invest in order to get shield enhancers Definetly work on getting the +5 % to level four increasing your type 2 heavy is worth it! Also field mechanics to 5.
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 05:03:00 - [17] - Quote Cool thanks
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.12 05:05:00 - [18] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Ultimate Heavy wrote: I have one more question. Would it be worth it to invest in my shields because for a heavy it looks like a lot of sp to invest in order to get shield enhancers Definetly work on getting the +5 % to level four increasing your type 2 heavy is worth it! Also field mechanics to 5. mhmm, but all depends on style. I know some heavies who are my bi-polar opposites who stack shield/armor and destroy anyways. Your best bet is join a corp and get into squads if ISK is hurting.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.02.12 05:07:00 - [19] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Ultimate Heavy wrote: I have one more question. Would it be worth it to invest in my shields because for a heavy it looks like a lot of sp to invest in order to get shield enhancers Definetly work on getting the +5 % to level four increasing your type 2 heavy is worth it! Also field mechanics to 5. Yea, it's worth it. Shields on a heavy are crucial unless the enemy wants to wait a minute and half between engagements. Even just to level III would make a huge difference.
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 05:12:00 - [20] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Ultimate Heavy wrote: I have one more question. Would it be worth it to invest in my shields because for a heavy it looks like a lot of sp to invest in order to get shield enhancers Definetly work on getting the +5 % to level four increasing your type 2 heavy is worth it! Also field mechanics to 5. Yea, it's worth it. Shields on a heavy are crucial unless the enemy wants to wait a minute and half between engagements. Even just to level III would make a huge difference. What skills are you talking about exactly because when I go to market and look at shield modules I have a ton of prerequisites to fill

Grenwal Hiesenberg Shadow Company HQ 226	Posted - 2013.02.12 05:22:00 - [21] - Quote Shield control and sheild management(?)
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:10:00 - [22] - Quote Ok so I got it figured all out. Play ambush missions with a heavy ar suit lol. Each suit costs 1400 isk. I played three matches today and made about 500k isk. I also had fun because I wasn't stressing about dying as much. I went to work happy and was glad I had an enjoyable time playing a game. Isn't that what this is all about...... enjoying ourselves. I will save my special suits for the important matches where I might lose money. I wish CCP would incorporate a patch where we would get a percentage back of what we spend or maybe just buff the higher suits. Its terrible two militia ar can take me out. I think it should take at least three with the basic stuff to take down a heavy
Rasputin La'Gar Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:22:00 - [23] - Quote Being fairly new, I'm learning not too hungry with expensive dropsuits. In the future I wasn't ISK to blow on vehicles and to generally have fun with so I've switched to a militia loudout (with the exception of a basic just for the extra 20 clip size). I think it's known right now that both weapons and suits were too far nerfed
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:34:00 - [24] - Quote It helps to focus on staying alive instead of trying to kill anything that moves, especially when it is looking right at you. On the other hand, heavies aren't well suited to stay alive in whenever a group of lemmings want's it dead, without support at some point after the lemmings charge, it will run out of health at some point and being an immobile sluggish feet tracked mini Vehicle/Tank aint gonna help because its gonna be hard to run in. There are still other options available if you want to dictate encounters at range or close. Personally i can go 51/0 in an Assault suit solo, but i cannot pull that score off using a heavy suit with or without HMG, a Heavy is actually a support platform and needs a group to shine.
Ultimate Heavy Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:52:00 - [25] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Personally i can go 51/0 in an Assault suit solo, but i cannot pull that score off using a heavy suit with or without HMG, a Heavy is actually a support platform and needs a group to shine. I totally agree the problem is the new ness of the game and no one uses mics so in random matches I will just stack isk I just think its terrible that two guys with militia ars can tear into a 37k suit its terrible
James Thraxton The Exemplars 73	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:59:00 - [26] - Quote some secret playing info from the Neon Genesis Guardian Core you got to know when to use your suits, . . . i use an 19k Type 1 Logi Frontline fit as my standard suit, buy em 100 at a time for 2m, i also have a 9k militia Lazer Heavy 10k militia AV Heavy 18k Type 1 Logi Smg AV 38k Type 2 Logi Shotgun Triage 56k Type A Logi Grenadier Triage 65k Type A Logi SMG Frontline (best gear i can get) i generally make 250-350k a round, i spend about 150-250k solo in a pub match (50-200k squaded with buddies), i use two of my 19k suits for every one of my higher cost suits. use better suits when grouped close with corpmates/battlebuddies, because just like a gf, you spend more because they're worth it Assaults are flankers, heavies go in front, logi's stay behind both(rep and extra dps), recon stays behind all(but supports by sniping heavies/multitargets) if things look too tough and i can run away, i do. usually this results in one of two outcomes, 1. i make it out of harms way/to my buddies, in the time it takes to respawn I'm back in the fight fully reloaded. 2. i die, half the time closer to rez logi, who helps out again half the time. thinking that killing a guy before going down is good is a consolation prize, the isn't COD, you need to either kill em all, get away, or make it so your teammates can kill em all. your death matters more than you think. recognize the effect certain weapons have on people psychologically, i use my mass driver fit to prevent enemy hordes from advancing, to help my squad to advance, or to create dust cover (and yes this actually works), not to kill enemies. i tend to use higher cost suits the closer a match is i like to use supply depot's to change my suit if it looks like I'll need a special fit, or if my chances look slim. remember, since the difference between miitia and standard is cpu/pg, always switch em out if you got extra.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:30:00 - [27] - Quote Ultimate Heavy wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Personally i can go 51/0 in an Assault suit solo, but i cannot pull that score off using a heavy suit with or without HMG, a Heavy is actually a support platform and needs a group to shine. I totally agree the problem is the new ness of the game and no one uses mics so in random matches I will just stack isk I just think its terrible that two guys with militia ars can tear into a 37k suit its terrible Errmm if 2 Mimitia Fit guys can tear into you, its not the suit its the player also the suit should not be such an advantage that it plays itself. My fit costs me 65k and can die if a good player in militia gear has the drop on you, example: you stand still for 1 second and i always use my most expensive fit possible and still make profit since on good games i die 0 to 1 time and on really really awfull games i die 3-5 times and i am always found at the front of battle.
Erehwon Rorsch4ch Air Red Alliance 14	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:32:00 - [28] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Ultimate Heavy wrote: Ok so I have made it to a type 2 heavy suit with either enhanced armor rep or enhanced armor. My dropsuits cost a fortune. I have to make sure I only die 4 times in order to break even. Guess what it looks like it gets worse..... top tier suits alone cost more than I can ever make in a match and they don't even look that awesome..... one more low powered slot that is nuts!!!! I think should stick to trying to level up modules or weapon skills Rule #5 of Dust: Don't use what you can't lose. Rule #5 of Dust: Don't use what you can't afford to lose
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:50:00 - [29] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Errmm if 2 Mimitia Fit guys can tear into you, its not the suit its the player also the suit should not be such an advantage that it plays itself. I wouldn't say it's an advantage so much as a "shoot me, I can't strafe fore for sh*t" sign. They're like tanks... except less tanky. Skilled Assault users can dodge most things. A Heavy doesn't have much choice but to soak up damage, unless they have a lot of cover available of course. I don't even bother bringing them out into wide open maps, between the AR's, Lasers, and snipers, there's just no profit. Now maps where I can force CQC on the other-hand... OP, you're supposed to earn money based on the value of the other teams gear that's been destroyed... but since everyone just runs militia and level 1 stuff.... Eventually the pay grade should improve as people start using better gear, but who knows how long that will take.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 441	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:56:00 - [30] - Quote Ultimate Heavy wrote: Ok so I have made it to a type 2 heavy suit with either enhanced armor rep or enhanced armor. My dropsuits cost a fortune. I have to make sure I only die 4 times in order to break even. Guess what it looks like it gets worse..... top tier suits alone cost more than I can ever make in a match and they don't even look that awesome..... one more low powered slot that is nuts!!!! I think should stick to trying to level up modules or weapon skills Actually I agree with you. Although I'm never broke, you should be rewarded more for what you risked on the field as well as what you killed. You think your suit is expensive? Try my tank, or my viziam suit. The viziam suit at current costs me about 150k isk per one. die twice with it, in the hole. Tank about 760k, until I put some advanced or proto guns on it, then good god.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.15 10:17:00 - [31] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Errmm if 2 Mimitia Fit guys can tear into you, its not the suit its the player also the suit should not be such an advantage that it plays itself. I wouldn't say it's an advantage so much as a "shoot me, I can't strafe fore for sh*t" sign. They're like tanks... except less tanky. Skilled Assault users can dodge most things. A Heavy doesn't have much choice but to soak up damage, unless they have a lot of cover available of course. I don't even bother bringing them out into wide open maps, between the AR's, Lasers, and snipers, there's just no profit. Now maps where I can force CQC on the other-hand... OP, you're supposed to earn money based on the value of the other teams gear that's been destroyed... but since everyone just runs militia and level 1 stuff.... Eventually the pay grade should improve as people start using better gear, but who knows how long that will take. No but the Op was saying how bad it was that 2 people in militia fits can tear it up, if the player is bad, the suit should not make up for it, the most skill that usually accompanies a heavy suit wearer is move forward and press button oh and throw panic nades when he is about to die in hopes you run away by random nade thats gonna explode in 3-4 seconds. 95% of all Heavy's are awareness deprived players looking for more Health to boost their survival so they have time to react to an incoming attack and if the attacker has the same level of skill still take him out, if the attacker has more skill -> then step 2: Whine about it on the forums. If you cannot make money with your current fit setup, then your skill level is not up to the equipment level, it's like learning how to drive with a souped up 500 HP car, its not going to end pretty.
Annabandak Mercery Anunnaku Industrial Corp. 3	Posted - 2013.02.15 11:34:00 - [32] - Quote Welcome to New Eden where it hurts to die , dont whine about , be glad about. thats whats make dust & eve special.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.02.15 13:04:00 - [33] - Quote Also I learned that apparently a lot of people are cool with you just logging in to a match and sitting in the MCC or down on the ground in the redline. You get about 100k isk if you win and don't have to risk anything. Free money and SP!
FastEddie McClintock Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 4	Posted - 2013.02.15 14:27:00 - [34] - Quote Annabandak Mercery wrote: Welcome to New Eden where it hurts to die , dont whine about , be glad about. thats whats make dust & eve special. +1
Midas Man ll Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance 38	Posted - 2013.02.15 15:15:00 - [35] - Quote We currently dont have many match options, but i dont think ccp are expecting people to throw full Proto fits at Pub games, the pub games will be the lowest teir/lowest payout type of battle, a training ground for new player so to speak. FW battles will most likely pay out more, and i believe the thinking is once linked fully with eve and if and when Dust battles on planets affect an Eve corps ISK supply you will find battles offering rewards of probably 100mil or more so losing 10 proto fits would maybe still net you a profit. Ofcourse your supposed to lose money running high end gear in a low end match if you die. PS ignore those that claim to use high end fits and have Eleventy Billion ISK, those guys are cheats and exploiters, they never lose a high end fit because its hard to die in the MCC Its them thats doing it wrong not you. They just believe people should be super cool and exploit like them and if they dont agree its there own fault for being terrabad because playing a game is all about ISK and SP and nobody wants fun anymore. As you can tell they are very warped people mentaly so best to avoid them.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.02.15 16:22:00 - [36] - Quote The point of having an expensive suit is to be able to stand up to more powerful players in a skirmish match. They are not meant to be needlessly wasted match after match after match unless your corp reimburses you for your loss. Eve Online has a similar concept in which players don't always bring out their Battleships or Dreadnaughts unless either A) they know they are going to be reimbursed by the corp or alliance or B) they have more than enough ISK squirreled away to cover their loss. This is why you often see even the most experienced players bring out their cheap fittings while saving their most expensive fits for very special occasions.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.15 16:31:00 - [37] - Quote Eventually Officer level gear in all slots will be available and will be the cream of the crop modules, suits and weapons. They're like things you only pull out for special occasions... namely Alliance Tournaments. And your alliance will be saving the entire year to make sure you have enough copies to last the entire tournament.
Erehk Insomniacs Anonymous 7	Posted - 2013.02.15 16:36:00 - [38] - Quote I have three heavy fittings. One with a prototype forge gun that runs 100K. Another with moderate gear that runs 50K. And one more that's entirely militia gear except for the forge gun. A lot of thought has gone into these fittings, and a I'll be spending far more time tinkering with them still. My basic principles are as follows: 1. Use the right tool for the right job. 2. Don't go broke. That prototype forge gun is powerful, but unless I have a really good situation with strong group support for using it, that extra 50K makes absolutely no beneficial difference on the battlefield. Meanwhile, my militia suit is fleshed out exactly like my moderate gear... the point is, when I'm using it, I'm learning how to be more effective. If I find myself dying for the wrong reasons, it's time to buckle down and learn the hard way-- drop with the militia gear and grit my teeth. A powerful fitting can pull a lot of weight, but you better be ready to really learn how to use it.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. 0	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:05:00 - [39] - Quote Ultimate Heavy wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Ultimate Heavy wrote: I have one more question. Would it be worth it to invest in my shields because for a heavy it looks like a lot of sp to invest in order to get shield enhancers Definetly work on getting the +5 % to level four increasing your type 2 heavy is worth it! Also field mechanics to 5. Yea, it's worth it. Shields on a heavy are crucial unless the enemy wants to wait a minute and half between engagements. Even just to level III would make a huge difference. What skills are you talking about exactly because when I go to market and look at shield modules I have a ton of prerequisites to fill Yeah, there's 3 prerequisites you have to skill up in, in order to gain access to shield enhancements. It's up to you if you want to use the skill points in shields. Personally, I think it's worth it.


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