Are you Draco the lawgiver by any chance? Removing SP, is way too harsh. Forum offenses must be dealt with a forum punishment, unless its an extreme case.

Its far to lenient a approach thus far.
The forums are a important part of the beta as we help CCP to shape the game. Thus they need to proceed in a orderly professional manner. As such they have been lacking I feel we could maintain discipline and invoke a more business like work ethic on the forums with cross dust punishments. I also think a dust weekend game play ban would also deter forum deviants or a day long game play ban.

I mean my opinion is you should feel comfortable speaking on the forum. A business like manner might not be comfortable for some. I know most get at each others throat, it is gonna happen with all these opinions. Consider it a debate.

Yes but debates need structure, CCP has laid out that structure already. They have stated what they approve of and do not approve of on the forums. People need to follow the rules. If they do not they need punishments that can deter and effectively punish that behavior, instead of having to go through and "clean up" threads on a regular basis a good stick will prevent them from having to do that kind of work and when they do they can make sure the offender has been corrected for the long term. Losing SP is not something people will gloat about.

Yes but debates need structure, CCP has laid out that structure already. They have stated what they approve of and do not approve of on the forums. People need to follow the rules. If they do not they need punishments that can deter and effectively punish that behavior, instead of having to go through and "clean up" threads on a regular basis a good stick will prevent them from having to do that kind of work and when they do they can make sure the offender has been corrected for the long term. Losing SP is not something people will gloat about.

So it been going on for about how long? CCP has not done anything thus far so I assume they are not concerned or they feel whats going on is not that bad. I have seen a GM step in a thread and warn people of their behavior and or language. So we have to assume if nothing is said they must not feel a way about it.

You know they do perm ban people and gag them.

When you get a perm ban, well that's it.

I still feel this thread a rant turned into a civil conversation under fear of lock.

Such actions seem so rare compared to the seemingly open hostility on the forums. And some of those people who need to be more civil in their conduct actually have good points on game development on both sides as they are sometimes as well informed about a game mechanic as they are passionate about yelling at each other.

However they still need to tow the line and banning them would just lose what could be a valuable opinion and member of the community. I dont want to throw the baby out with the bathwater :P

I feel my suggestions are far better in shaping how people conduct themselves on the forums instead of just throwing them out.

Perhaps that's a family culture for some when expressing ideas.

My family are bitchy to each other very often but its just normal.

Don't yell at each other lol.

Yes I can understand that but this is a beta for a game in development. So I feel a more professional work environment culture would produce more then a family oriented one.

Its a game, we're not being paid.

Ages vary from say 10-50 idk.

With just those 2 things you already have a perfect setup for trolls ect.

Yes but 10-50 year olds can still be controlled, they just need the right motivation and punishments.

Lots of organizations are volunteer but they still maintain effective discipline.

You just have to know what the different demographics are going to be deterred by as effective punishments.

Hitting people in the SP and the play time is a great way of doing that.

Everyone can be managed with the right motivations and punishments.

I want CCP to take a tougher stance.

sounds like OPer gots trolled an dont know how to handle the shrinking of his Epeen.



And if you thank thr trolling here is bad go check out the DCOU PS3 forum

why is it that because things are bad somewhere else thats a good reason for them to be bad here? How is that a logical way of solving problems?

"well that house over there is on fire so yeah, don't worry about it"

And I dont care about trolling, like I said I care about how CCP reacts to violations of its forum rules and the punishments it uses.

It's kind of to cruel, plus I think GM Vegas and GM Hercules kind of enjoy some of our naughty postings. They get to giggle and sensor it or lock it.

They have a great since of humor, with a game like this and a pretty cool community you have to expect people to get out of hand.

Like a casual after party in Iceland when people have had to many booze.

yes it is kind of cruel. So what? Its not like CCP would picking on people innocent of cruelty Its like a robber complaining about how he wont be able to make money at his job because he has to pay a fine for robbing his job. ( could not think of a better metaphor sorry)

Basically its great to throw someone out of a party when the get drunk and mouth off but if its a party they are coming to day after day a more long term strategy would be better, such as restricting how much time they can spend on the dance floor (ie getting sp) and like i said civility would abound afterwards.

Ya but they're not freakn' space robots.

CCP are advanced space robots with an understanding of the human factor and how dumb we get.

If these forums were uber strict everyone would be 100% cautious on what they say and everyone's post would be more like a business report then a hellstorm.

Hellstorm threads make it more interesting when people go on attack mode on a subject.

Gets the community more into it.

Yeah but there are established limits for that, that are more then acceptable for having good passionate arguments. Yet people still decide to play out of bounds.

And CCP would benefit from more business report style feedback. Look at how their stickys are setup in the feedback and other beta work sections, clearly they wanted more structured forum content to begin with. They gave us the locker room for a reason.

Or the drunk man/woman being punished would become more belligerent along with his/her big group of friends holding a bucket of water to short circuit the advanced CCP space bots.

Just sayn' lol.

If I got paid CCP style for this I would definitely make business reports.


The CCP Devs are also representing their company and need to do things the way they do.

They also don't expect us to always be in the guidelines, people will always cross the line whether they mean to or not.

Their current methods have worked for a long time. As an eve player I know the eve community has grown closer from the big allowance or flexibility to the rules the GM's and DEV's give us.

I liked it for its lameness lol.

Late I must sleep.

See ya'll in the morning

I've deleted some trolling posts from this thread. That feels so inceptiony to me.

Anyway, if you feel like a post violates the forum rules, please report it using the flag button on the top of every post. This will report the post to myself or one of the other forum moderators and we'll come investigate and, if deemed necessary, delete/edit the post and issue a warning/ban.

From moderating the EVE Forums for the past four months with some other Community bros, I've found the best way to keep the forums civil is to make sure posts are moderated swiftly, to issue warnings and bans when justified, and to generally be vigilant. Taking action against someone's game account is an option for extreme or gross repeated violations, particularly if someone is circumventing forum bans or the like. This is generally a last resort, however.

As for the amount of time it takes away from us, well... I'm not a programmer. Moderating the forums doesn't prevent me from fixing bugs or making changes, because unless they really need the game to say "Hello world", I don't think I could provide much help there.

why is it that because things are bad somewhere else thats a good reason for them to be bad here? How is that a logical way of solving problems?

"well that house over there is on fire so yeah, don't worry about it"

And I dont care about trolling, like I said I care about how CCP reacts to violations of its forum rules and the punishments it uses.

I've deleted some trolling posts from this thread. That feels so inceptiony to me.

Anyway, if you feel like a post violates the forum rules, please report it using the flag button on the top of every post. This will report the post to myself or one of the other forum moderators and we'll come investigate and, if deemed necessary, delete/edit the post and issue a warning/ban.

From moderating the EVE Forums for the past four months with some other Community bros, I've found the best way to keep the forums civil is to make sure posts are moderated swiftly, to issue warnings and bans when justified, and to generally be vigilant. Taking action against someone's game account is an option for extreme or gross repeated violations, particularly if someone is circumventing forum bans or the like. This is generally a last resort, however.

As for the amount of time it takes away from us, well... I'm not a programmer. Moderating the forums doesn't prevent me from fixing bugs or making changes, because unless they really need the game to say "Hello world", I don't think I could provide much help there.

well personally Id rather be in the house NOT on fire, but that may just be me.

And its a very logical way of solving problems, its opening your eyes to a worse world so the current one seems less bad therefore insta problem solved.

The opinoin of one can relate the other, therefore creating a world not so bad as was.

really people just need to use the locker room for what its there for.

Its far to lenient a approach thus far.
The forums are a important part of the beta as we help CCP to shape the game. Thus they need to proceed in a orderly professional manner. As such they have been lacking I feel we could maintain discipline and invoke a more business like work ethic on the forums with cross dust punishments. I also think a dust weekend game play ban would also deter forum deviants or a day long game play ban.

This is exactly what i was talking about earlier everyone on eve and dust acts like this isn't a game but the most serious thing ever were not working on an atom bomb were working on a game that is maint to be enjoyed, experienced, and moved on from or continued to be played.

I hope you end up being banned mainly because this isnt feedback/ideas this is a complaint one mans complaint to change something he has no power over.

soon as they start IP banning or having harsh punishments the forums will die due to fear of retribution.

I've deleted some trolling posts from this thread. That feels so inceptiony to me.

Anyway, if you feel like a post violates the forum rules, please report it using the flag button on the top of every post. This will report the post to myself or one of the other forum moderators and we'll come investigate and, if deemed necessary, delete/edit the post and issue a warning/ban.

From moderating the EVE Forums for the past four months with some other Community bros, I've found the best way to keep the forums civil is to make sure posts are moderated swiftly, to issue warnings and bans when justified, and to generally be vigilant. Taking action against someone's game account is an option for extreme or gross repeated violations, particularly if someone is circumventing forum bans or the like. This is generally a last resort, however.

As for the amount of time it takes away from us, well... I'm not a programmer. Moderating the forums doesn't prevent me from fixing bugs or making changes, because unless they really need the game to say "Hello world", I don't think I could provide much help there.

The amount of posts violating forum rules for conduct is getting worse every week.
Its sicking seeing all the extra work devs and moderators have to to cleaning up the forums from people choosing to violate the rules.

Those people hurt everyone as that is time that could have been used to improve the forums themselfs or respond to issues or other work CCP needs to do, It takes man hours away from other tasks.

CCP should give harsher punishments right off the first offense and should slap people with week long bans or take away SP for players acting in a inappropriate manner. If you hit players where it hurt them they would be allot more choosy with their words.

The players doing this know who they are and certainly are undeterred by being banned from the forums for what they see as a badge of honor and a slap on the wrist.

Take away some SP when they shoot their mouths off and you will see a far more sunny, pleasant and hard working forums.

I guarantee it.

I think 40k sp away from your cap for serious offenses and personal attacks would be a good start.

go play daddy somewhere else