Oh noes. Did I kill you from across the map? While you were trying to snipe me from across the map? So sorry bro.

fail troll is fail.

i dont snipe, i might use Tac AR, but i dont snipe, now kindly go away, i want actual constructive ideas here

fail troll is fail.

i dont snipe, i might use Tac AR, but i dont snipe, now kindly go away, i want actual constructive ideas here

Ok. If I can hit you with a slow moving grenade that flies at an arc from across the map, you deserve to die and I deserve the kill.

So true.

Ok. If I can hit you with a slow moving grenade that flies at an arc from across the map, you deserve to die and I deserve the kill.

so.. you actually believed my exageration? oh man... no wonder things never get done. i have said i dont snipe, and i mean it.

as for standing still, how the heck else am i going to look around for possible ambushes? i dont like to blind charge into a fight unless i know its the only place anything is happening and i have been sitting playing guard dog for half the match. or i'm in cover trying to reload and let my sheilds/armor return a bit before i dive back in.

no, i have been nailed my MDs in places where the only way to actually hit me was straight above me, and there isnt a platform above to stand on. and i'm not saying reduce the power, i'm saying just tweak the arc/able flight distance. they should lose a bit of momentum flying through the air.

so.. you actually believed my exageration? oh man... no wonder things never get done. i have said i dont snipe, and i mean it.

as for standing still, how the heck else am i going to look around for possible ambushes? i dont like to blind charge into a fight unless i know its the only place anything is happening and i have been sitting playing guard dog for half the match. or i'm in cover trying to reload and let my sheilds/armor return a bit before i dive back in.

no, i have been nailed my MDs in places where the only way to actually hit me was straight above me, and there isnt a platform above to stand on. and i'm not saying reduce the power, i'm saying just tweak the arc/able flight distance. they should lose a bit of momentum flying through the air.

i was looking for Dev discussion and i get jerks.... man alive.

i am only suggesting, and you guys are so freaking agressive over a small tweak to how they fly over a distance.

there is no reason to be so agressive over a small suggestion, just an arc adjustment... i'm thinking of having a small line that goes about 3 meters to show that far.. past that should be guesswork

i was looking for Dev discussion and i get jerks.... man alive.

i am only suggesting, and you guys are so freaking agressive over a small tweak to how they fly over a distance.

there is no reason to be so agressive over a small suggestion, just an arc adjustment... i'm thinking of having a small line that goes about 3 meters to show that far.. past that should be guesswork

I can't down vote you but i would -.-

3 meters? compare that to the assault rifles range of 85 meters...

Also well inside the HITTING OURSELVES range.

you are basically suggesting the complete death of a weapon we skilled into so yea we are going to be a little aggressive in its defense. If you think we are being jerks try suggesting that we TWEAK (read call in the CCP NERFHAMMER 9001) the assault rifle.

can you give me a logical reason why your AR does the same thing? no no you can't stop whining because something killed you and HTFU.

Mass driver is an indirect fire weapon, thats why it killed you. It is meant as an arcing lobber. if you got killed behind cover it means the MD gunner was a.genius and he had a spotter telling him where you are. functionally artillery in game.

second if.a.mass driver round explodes nearby wise people dive for cover, as they believe the next one will land on your head.

also a sh**-hot gunner can predict the angle by where you are on his radar. the mass driver, when wielded by a ballistic genius (genius of any kind is rare in a dust battlefield) will be a holy terror.

someone got a lucky shot and you were sitting still. working as intended.

further. I Can sit on one side of a wall, lob rounds almost straight up and nail the bastard on the other side. its kinda what grenade launchers do.

and I am willing to bet money you havent got a clue how they work. skill up and give em a go. Most people hate the MD because its not as easy to use as they think.

this will be my only nice post in this thread. fair warning.

Mass driver is an indirect fire weapon, thats why it killed you. It is meant as an arcing lobber. if you got killed behind cover it means the MD gunner was a.genius and he had a spotter telling him where you are. functionally artillery in game.

second if.a.mass driver round explodes nearby wise people dive for cover, as they believe the next one will land on your head.

also a sh**-hot gunner can predict the angle by where you are on his radar. the mass driver, when wielded by a ballistic genius (genius of any kind is rare in a dust battlefield) will be a holy terror.

someone got a lucky shot and you were sitting still. working as intended.

further. I Can sit on one side of a wall, lob rounds almost straight up and nail the bastard on the other side. its kinda what grenade launchers do.

and I am willing to bet money you havent got a clue how they work. skill up and give em a go. Most people hate the MD because its not as easy to use as they think.

this will be my only nice post in this thread. fair warning.

why does everyone think i hate the MD? seriously, i'm suggesting a tweak, not a nerf.

if someone was playing mortar man when i was in cover, nicely done, is someone was on the other side of the wall... i'd prefered if they shot me with a pistol instead. i've met MD users on both sides, so i am jsut hoping for a tweak.

please stop thinking this is me 'hating' on it, stop thinking i want it nerfed. the power can stay, the range is all i want fiddled with, okay?

Bro, I know what your saying, but your not listening,

If you tweak the range you break the gun.

After that post, breakn' stuff is going to be all over this......he did warn you after all.

And they were playing mortar.
lol I don't think its even possible to stand on the other side of the wall that your on and shoot the MD in anyway that's going to wall hop and kill you.

how does giving a momentum fall off like a thrown grenade break it? i want to know the real answer to this one. i mean... anything launched can only fly so far before air friction grabs it

It takes a long time to reach a target in the distance.

Eventually for range it will simply arc all the way down and die.


This is 1000's of years in the future, I'm sure they have great grenade launchers.

If you can't see a grenade coming from a mass driver and be able to evade. You deserved death, they're already slow.

And at range they're simply mortars.

yes, they probably do have great grenade launcher systems, and yes, i can dodges them when at an extreme range. do they have friction dampeners? i dont know, so i have to assume air friction would slow it down a bout 80-100 meters out

i did not know they airbursted at max range, if i did, i'd just say bring in realistic physics about that then... thank you for pointing that out.

if they do tweak the physics, i hope to lord they make sure to keep the range balanced then.

i do like MDs, its hard not to like a grenade launcher, i just hope for the best then

its impossible to get away.

Annnnnd... someone didn't get the point the first time so everyone stand here while papa breakin stuff mocks the crap out of him for NOT READING MY POST CORRECTLY.

Hurr durr. Shut up for a minute, I'm talking here.

The mass driver, often called the Noob tube has a roughly guestimated range maximum somewhere between 60 and 80 meters (closer to 30-40 unless you know ballistic angles like Jesus knows prayer), unaffected by the sharpshooter skill (unlike every other goddamned weapon in the game) because the velocity and mass of the round is fixed. So screw off.

Now, let us add to this, that your accuracy at these ranges is somewhat akin to trying to hit your baby brother in the head with a quarter by DROPPING IT OFF A GODDAMNED SATELLITE! if you were derp enough to stand there while mass driver shells are falling from the sky then my friend you need to re-evaluate standing still, because OOPS! MY cover's been blown Cagney! Help me!

Third, the blast radius is very limited, and while it can be expanded upon via skill that also extends the splash damage falloff outward. so I'm guessing that Either you in your hail mary unlucky shot having self ate one direct to the top of the head, or you stood still while the gunner fired about five of them in your general direction like a complete tool. Guess what most of us consider to be a bad idea?

Another valid point: Listen up chuckles, because it's not the fun one. You can kill yourself with a mass driver. i have... frequently, because i shot a redberry at point blank and figure better I get credit for killing me than he does. Another thing, the refire rate is SLOOOOOOW. a bit over one second per shot refire delay.

And finally, I recognize you'd rather he ran up and shoot you, because it's more sporting and you can shoot back, but let me newsflash you kiddies. If you're playing the game fair, you're doing it wrong. I'm a master of cheap shots and dirty tricks and I have no shame in it. As my drill instructor told me "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

But i don't care. I hear the QQ of a man offended that someone had the audacity to pummel the crap out of him with a weapon doing a trick shot that almost requires an act of God. I have no damned sympathy. Even less now that you are being deliberately obtuse and demanding a range reduction of one of the only weapons in the game that can kill the wielder.

Since the lesson was not learned properly, I declare tomorrow, Saturday, Feburary 9th to be a new Dust 514 Holiday. It shall be known as "Steel Rain on Rachoi" Day! For the commencement of the holiday I ask all who can to watch the rosters of battle for our dear friend Rachoi, and spawn nothing but mass drivers to cheer on his great work demanding our beloved noobtoob be nerfed so that it cannot kill him when he wants to feel safe.

If you cannot use a mass driver, then I offer you this humble substitution just for him.

Militia forge guns are cheap as hell and require no skill point investment. They can be the substitute weapon if your mass driver skills are nonexistent.

Go forth my children, find Rachoi, and make it rain.

Annnnnd... someone didn't get the point the first time so everyone stand here while papa breakin stuff mocks the crap out of him for NOT READING MY POST CORRECTLY.

Hurr durr. Shut up for a minute, I'm talking here.

The mass driver, often called the Noob tube has a roughly guestimated range maximum somewhere between 60 and 80 meters (closer to 30-40 unless you know ballistic angles like Jesus knows prayer), unaffected by the sharpshooter skill (unlike every other goddamned weapon in the game) because the velocity and mass of the round is fixed. So screw off.

Now, let us add to this, that your accuracy at these ranges is somewhat akin to trying to hit your baby brother in the head with a quarter by DROPPING IT OFF A GODDAMNED SATELLITE! if you were derp enough to stand there while mass driver shells are falling from the sky then my friend you need to re-evaluate standing still, because OOPS! MY cover's been blown Cagney! Help me!

Third, the blast radius is very limited, and while it can be expanded upon via skill that also extends the splash damage falloff outward. so I'm guessing that Either you in your hail mary unlucky shot having self ate one direct to the top of the head, or you stood still while the gunner fired about five of them in your general direction like a complete tool. Guess what most of us consider to be a bad idea?

Another valid point: Listen up chuckles, because it's not the fun one. You can kill yourself with a mass driver. i have... frequently, because i shot a redberry at point blank and figure better I get credit for killing me than he does. Another thing, the refire rate is SLOOOOOOW. a bit over one second per shot refire delay.

And finally, I recognize you'd rather he ran up and shoot you, because it's more sporting and you can shoot back, but let me newsflash you kiddies. If you're playing the game fair, you're doing it wrong. I'm a master of cheap shots and dirty tricks and I have no shame in it. As my drill instructor told me "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

But i don't care. I hear the QQ of a man offended that someone had the audacity to pummel the crap out of him with a weapon doing a trick shot that almost requires an act of God. I have no damned sympathy. Even less now that you are being deliberately obtuse and demanding a range reduction of one of the only weapons in the game that can kill the wielder.

Since the lesson was not learned properly, I declare tomorrow, Saturday, Feburary 9th to be a new Dust 514 Holiday. It shall be known as "Steel Rain on Rachoi" Day! For the commencement of the holiday I ask all who can to watch the rosters of battle for our dear friend Rachoi, and spawn nothing but mass drivers to cheer on his great work demanding our beloved noobtoob be nerfed so that it cannot kill him when he wants to feel safe.

If you cannot use a mass driver, then I offer you this humble substitution just for him.

Militia forge guns are cheap as hell and require no skill point investment. They can be the substitute weapon if your mass driver skills are nonexistent.

Go forth my children, find Rachoi, and make it rain.

I win.

/thread.

Im still hunting you with a mass driver tomorrow.

Theres better than me with a mass driver. I graduated to the assault forge gun. my favorite things to shoot are expensive dropships and marauder HAVs. I used to use MD all the time in closed beta though.

Heres a hint. the gunsights ccp gave for the mass driver are useless. yer better off eyeballing it.

i was looking for Dev discussion and i get jerks.... man alive.

i am only suggesting, and you guys are so freaking agressive over a small tweak to how they fly over a distance.

there is no reason to be so agressive over a small suggestion, just an arc adjustment... i'm thinking of having a small line that goes about 3 meters to show that far.. past that should be guesswork

1) The MD can't drop a round any where near straight down behind a wall, so most likely you had another wall behind you where the round struck and splashed you. If that's the case, you chose poor cover.

CCP is considering a mortar function for the MD so we may get that in the future. Right now if you fire at a high angle the round goes dud before it hits the ground.


2) The MD is not a hit-scan easy hit weapon. The user doesn't have a magic sight that turn red to let him know when to pull the trigger for an automatic hit. It requires the greatest amount of player skill to wield effectively.

3) It is not the one hit kill noob-tube of CoD. It requires more hits to down an enemy which gives them plenty of time to shoot back or head for cover.

4) MD kills are the shark bite deaths of DUST while the AR is the car crash. Hundreds of people die to car crashes and nobody blinks an eye. It's so common and everyone is used to it. We know the risks and accept it. But one guy gets eaten by a shark and it's all over the news and everyone is afraid of the water. Why? Because they are unfamiliar with it and it is therefore scary.

I'll bet you die 100:1 to bullet fire over MD rounds. Yet you are calling for a nerf not on ARs, but on MDs.

i do understand that this a game of war and tactics, but i feel the Mass Driver could use a slight tweaking. i say this because if there is no one but mass diver users... its impossible to get away. they can shblahblahblahblah wahhhwahhhwahhhh I cry about things that dont need tweaking at all, PLEASE someone say no to me so I can continue using my full-on GEK38 assault rifle class like the thousands of other unimaginative drones that plague Ambush with their annoying rifle bullets and grief when something that isn't an assault rifle kills them.