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Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:02:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Annnnnd... someone didn't get the point the first time so everyone stand here while papa breakin stuff mocks the crap out of him for NOT READING MY POST CORRECTLY.
Hurr durr. Shut up for a minute, I'm talking here.
The mass driver, often called the Noob tube has a roughly guestimated range maximum somewhere between 60 and 80 meters (closer to 30-40 unless you know ballistic angles like Jesus knows prayer), unaffected by the sharpshooter skill (unlike every other goddamned weapon in the game) because the velocity and mass of the round is fixed. So screw off.
Now, let us add to this, that your accuracy at these ranges is somewhat akin to trying to hit your baby brother in the head with a quarter by DROPPING IT OFF A GODDAMNED SATELLITE! if you were derp enough to stand there while mass driver shells are falling from the sky then my friend you need to re-evaluate standing still, because OOPS! MY cover's been blown Cagney! Help me!
Third, the blast radius is very limited, and while it can be expanded upon via skill that also extends the splash damage falloff outward. so I'm guessing that Either you in your hail mary unlucky shot having self ate one direct to the top of the head, or you stood still while the gunner fired about five of them in your general direction like a complete tool. Guess what most of us consider to be a bad idea?
Another valid point: Listen up chuckles, because it's not the fun one. You can kill yourself with a mass driver. i have... frequently, because i shot a redberry at point blank and figure better I get credit for killing me than he does. Another thing, the refire rate is SLOOOOOOW. a bit over one second per shot refire delay.
And finally, I recognize you'd rather he ran up and shoot you, because it's more sporting and you can shoot back, but let me newsflash you kiddies. If you're playing the game fair, you're doing it wrong. I'm a master of cheap shots and dirty tricks and I have no shame in it. As my drill instructor told me "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."
But i don't care. I hear the QQ of a man offended that someone had the audacity to pummel the crap out of him with a weapon doing a trick shot that almost requires an act of God. I have no damned sympathy. Even less now that you are being deliberately obtuse and demanding a range reduction of one of the only weapons in the game that can kill the wielder.
Since the lesson was not learned properly, I declare tomorrow, Saturday, Feburary 9th to be a new Dust 514 Holiday. It shall be known as "Steel Rain on Rachoi" Day! For the commencement of the holiday I ask all who can to watch the rosters of battle for our dear friend Rachoi, and spawn nothing but mass drivers to cheer on his great work demanding our beloved noobtoob be nerfed so that it cannot kill him when he wants to feel safe.
If you cannot use a mass driver, then I offer you this humble substitution just for him.
Militia forge guns are cheap as hell and require no skill point investment. They can be the substitute weapon if your mass driver skills are nonexistent.
Go forth my children, find Rachoi, and make it rain.
go **** yourself, it was resolved about... four or five posts earlier, my god you are a queen, i'm gay and i'm calling you a ******* queen.
i get it all, i'm hoping instead of say... an airbursted shell they come up with a way to make the shell just drop.
i shall repeat for those that like to skip posts of imorntance... go **** yourself |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:06:00 -
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I win.
/thread. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:13:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I win.
/thread.
you 'win'? on an online forum? oh now i'm jsut laughing my ass off here.
there is no winning at anything in life, jsut to tell you :3
just a satisfaction from aggrivating someone...
also, i called you a queen when you out queen me... oh man how i feel good about myself now, thanks man
as for the Mass Drivers, i say let them stay the same, just let the rounds flat drop, instead of airbursting.. would be cooler, and give people more ways to long mortar |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:18:00 -
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Im still hunting you with a mass driver tomorrow. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:23:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Im still hunting you with a mass driver tomorrow.
neh, go ahead, and when you come at me, i pray that it's one of those skilled shots mister demo guy. hell, i might retaliate with my own MD, jsut for the fun of it too~
besides, if we do run into each other tomorrow, i'd more like to be on the same team, so i can pick you up and watch the skilled MD use |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:28:00 -
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Theres better than me with a mass driver. I graduated to the assault forge gun. my favorite things to shoot are expensive dropships and marauder HAVs. I used to use MD all the time in closed beta though.
Heres a hint. the gunsights ccp gave for the mass driver are useless. yer better off eyeballing it. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:35:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Theres better than me with a mass driver. I graduated to the assault forge gun. my favorite things to shoot are expensive dropships and marauder HAVs. I used to use MD all the time in closed beta though.
Heres a hint. the gunsights ccp gave for the mass driver are useless. yer better off eyeballing it.
found that out already actually, a quickie alt that is still about.
as for Dropships... those are both easy and hard to fly, and to take out.
for a good long while all i keep is about 10 of the militia ones, cause i never expect them to survive, but are fun to fly.
as for the Forge Gun? AA cannon at it's best honestly
and if there are more skilled, i welcome them to hit me at optimal range, jsut to show me how it works.... weirdest part about this game, i learn as much from killing others as i do from dieing,
and there are very few things that bother me when i play... mostly the people in the freebie car just crashing me, both teams... and maybe someone hopping into a tank/turret instalation to kill JUST me.
so bring it on, if i see you, lets hope that its a fun game, though i doubt a guy with TAR is gonna be much use against you |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:41:00 -
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AV nades discourage bumper cars. throw it and they explode.
Then they get on the forums and rage about how AV is OP. |
Rachoi
HavoK Core
17
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:45:00 -
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i will definitely have to try that, since enough of the time i run into vehicles
i really dont think they are OP... they are purpose built to hurt armored units like tanks 'n stuff, so its going to hurt like no tomorrow after all
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
213
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:14:00 -
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Rachoi wrote:
i was looking for Dev discussion and i get jerks.... man alive.
i am only suggesting, and you guys are so freaking agressive over a small tweak to how they fly over a distance.
there is no reason to be so agressive over a small suggestion, just an arc adjustment... i'm thinking of having a small line that goes about 3 meters to show that far.. past that should be guesswork
thats cause you are trying to further break an already broken gun that takes quite a bit of skill to pull off the shot you are describing, and you obviously have no clue how it works.
I'm not trying to be an ******* but that shot is not possible you just cant drop rounds behind cover like that and what you are recommending would only make it worse for you in that regard. most likely it came from an angle you didn't see if it one hit you or some one got you with the splash(MD splash is quite large you need to be several meters from the edge of cover to not get hit).
please try a weapon before you start suggesting changes to it, its 12ksp that will be very helpful in learning how to combat the weapon.
lastly THERE IS NO GOOD REASON EVER TO STAND STILL in a fps least of all this game, arguably snipers are the exception to this but unless you want my SMG shoved up your poop tube you better only be standing still long enough to get your kill, becuase after that Im coming for you. |
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Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
970
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Posted - 2013.02.10 16:19:00 -
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1) The MD can't drop a round any where near straight down behind a wall, so most likely you had another wall behind you where the round struck and splashed you. If that's the case, you chose poor cover.
CCP is considering a mortar function for the MD so we may get that in the future. Right now if you fire at a high angle the round goes dud before it hits the ground.
2) The MD is not a hit-scan easy hit weapon. The user doesn't have a magic sight that turn red to let him know when to pull the trigger for an automatic hit. It requires the greatest amount of player skill to wield effectively.
3) It is not the one hit kill noob-tube of CoD. It requires more hits to down an enemy which gives them plenty of time to shoot back or head for cover.
4) MD kills are the shark bite deaths of DUST while the AR is the car crash. Hundreds of people die to car crashes and nobody blinks an eye. It's so common and everyone is used to it. We know the risks and accept it. But one guy gets eaten by a shark and it's all over the news and everyone is afraid of the water. Why? Because they are unfamiliar with it and it is therefore scary.
I'll bet you die 100:1 to bullet fire over MD rounds. Yet you are calling for a nerf not on ARs, but on MDs. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.10 16:30:00 -
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Skihids wrote:1) The MD can't drop a round any where near straight down behind a wall, so most likely you had another wall behind you where the round struck and splashed you. If that's the case, you chose poor cover.
CCP is considering a mortar function for the MD so we may get that in the future. Right now if you fire at a high angle the round goes dud before it hits the ground.
2) The MD is not a hit-scan easy hit weapon. The user doesn't have a magic sight that turn red to let him know when to pull the trigger for an automatic hit. It requires the greatest amount of player skill to wield effectively.
3) It is not the one hit kill noob-tube of CoD. It requires more hits to down an enemy which gives them plenty of time to shoot back or head for cover.
4) MD kills are the shark bite deaths of DUST while the AR is the car crash. Hundreds of people die to car crashes and nobody blinks an eye. It's so common and everyone is used to it. We know the risks and accept it. But one guy gets eaten by a shark and it's all over the news and everyone is afraid of the water. Why? Because they are unfamiliar with it and it is therefore scary.
I'll bet you die 100:1 to bullet fire over MD rounds. Yet you are calling for a nerf not on ARs, but on MDs. ^This |
fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
213
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Posted - 2013.02.11 01:32:00 -
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{sarcasm} (just for you zitro)well don't you know according to THE DUST MASTER! mr zitro,{/sarcasm} some one hitting you in your optimal and you not being able to hit back immediately means the weapon they are using is broken and OP. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
970
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Posted - 2013.02.11 02:06:00 -
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Pro tip:
A MD wielder is NOT aiming for you. He is targeting the surface you are standing on or next to within the splash radius. If he targets your body and misses, the round will impact outside the splash radius and do no damage to you, giving you plenty of time to drill him with your AR.
That means unlike most other weapons YOU control the size of your hit box!
Stand on the crest of a hill above the MD user and you offer a hit box the size of your body. Everything else is a clean miss.
Stand with your back to a wall and you offer a hit box the size of the broad side of a barn. The MD user can target your head because a miss still hits close to your head and splashes you. He can target your feet for the same reason. You offer great odds even on medium to long shots. That's as effective as charging a HMG head on.
Be aware of your surroundings and control the engagement. Don't complain when you are making his job easy. |
Lightly Salted
Lone Hire
7
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Posted - 2013.02.11 02:33:00 -
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Rachoi wrote:i do understand that this a game of war and tactics, but i feel the Mass Driver could use a slight tweaking. i say this because if there is no one but mass diver users... its impossible to get away. they can shblahblahblahblah wahhhwahhhwahhhh I cry about things that dont need tweaking at all, PLEASE someone say no to me so I can continue using my full-on GEK38 assault rifle class like the thousands of other unimaginative drones that plague Ambush with their annoying rifle bullets and grief when something that isn't an assault rifle kills them.
No.
Yes, I am putting words into your mouth. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.02.11 03:07:00 -
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MD actually takes some skill to drop where you want it, and it doesn't have a lot of AOE effect so it pretty much has to be right on target to do any good. I was in a match the other day with some players lobbing mass driver rounds into an area by a spawn point and got hit something like 7 times without once getting killed by it.
I eventually went around and killed one of them, and someone got the other right after, but they just came back and resumed the barrage. It was interesting, but relatively non-threatening as long as their allies weren't attacking the location. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.02.11 03:08:00 -
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Guys guys,
The guy gets it, if you've read the posts you know we've changed his mind.
Stop trolling him and being cruel.
Breaking stuff and I did that already. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.02.11 03:34:00 -
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don't stand still
It takes insane skill to plant those shots across the map, you think it would be possible to do that to a moving target. |
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