DUST Search - Stealing vehicles debate

JL3Eleven wrote:

GoD-NoVa wrote:

JL3Eleven wrote:

GoD-NoVa wrote:

JL3Eleven wrote:

So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? Twisted

The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them.

Just my .02 isk

No you can BUY anything you want at any time. I can buy right now buy as many proto suits as i want but i wont be able to use them till i put skill points into them. Tanks are same way. If someone invested 3mil sp into tanks and has it stolen by someone who hasnt spent anything into tank, why should they be able to use it as a weapon?

BECAUSE THEY STOLE IT. You are investing SP TO BUY THE DAMN THING!

I'm Stealing the Lambo, not buying it.

p.s. sorry for yelling

but im not talking about any Lambo or real life object. im talking about a tank in a video game which requires skill points to use its weapon. and like i said you dont need sp to buy it all you need is ISK, you need sp to drive and use the weapons

Trust me I understand where you are coming from.

I feel if I hack your stuff its mine. Period. Like you started it up with your top secret clearance but left the badge and keys in it while playing outside your tank. I bust the lock and Heeelllllooooo tank. You just started it with your skills but left it running?

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GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 174	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:48:00 - [1] - Quote Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills?
The Jesus Christ Better Hide R Die 20	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:49:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, it would be Zitro's fault for getting killed so easily anyway, so he should be punished. Maybe you should just get a movement penalty, as in your tank doesn't go as fast.
Sontie VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 95	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:50:00 - [3] - Quote Let's just say all characters have Vehicle Operations I and leave off this debate.
Priceps Gaius Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:53:00 - [4] - Quote It is rather strange that Average Joe who spent nothing on tank skills would have the ability to drive it. Why do we have to invest hundreds of thousands of SP into tanks if you know that the enemy can just go off and use it?
SGT Garrisson On The Brink 60	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:06:00 - [5] - Quote look at it this way the guy that stole the tank shouldnt be able to use all the fittings as he doesnt have the skills right in evey ive u have the skills to fly the ship but dont have the cpu/pg skills or the skills to use lets say the armor repper then modules go offline till ur at the max cpu/pg of ur skills this means that if u dont have large turrets lvl 1 u cant use the main gun of the tank
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:11:00 - [6] - Quote So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:12:00 - [7] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? Simple answer no Take EVE for an example Just say a player is out in his pod and stumbles across an empty Drake (Battlecruiser), he may be able to board the ship if he has the required skills to fly the hull but if he didnt he couldnt board it to begin with Also if he could fly the ship but it already had T2 mods on it they would be offline because he doesnt have the required skills to use them
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:18:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? Simple answer no Take EVE for an example Just say a player is out in his pod and stumbles across an empty Drake (Battlecruiser), he may be able to board the ship if he has the required skills to fly the hull but if he didnt he couldnt board it to begin with Also if he could fly the ship but it already had T2 mods on it they would be offline because he doesnt have the required skills to use them So then if Zitro called in the proto tank but just wanted to snipe in the turrets then whoever jumps into the driver seat would also have to have the same skills and setup otherwise it would sit there because you had no other drivers.
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 174	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:26:00 - [9] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk No you can BUY anything you want at any time. I can buy right now buy as many proto suits as i want but i wont be able to use them till i put skill points into them. Tanks are same way. If someone invested 3mil sp into tanks and has it stolen by someone who hasnt spent anything into tank, why should they be able to use it as a weapon?
Monkxx Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:31:00 - [10] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk No you can BUY anything you want at any time. I can buy right now buy as many proto suits as i want but i wont be able to use them till i put skill points into them. Tanks are same way. If someone invested 3mil sp into tanks and has it stolen by someone who hasnt spent anything into tank, why should they be able to use it as a weapon? When I steal blueberry's tank I use it as taxi to get to the closest object and then leave it there...Eventually another blue dot will grab it and so the cycle repeats...

Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 215	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:31:00 - [11] - Quote I just want squad lock (option) so random blueberries cant hop into my tank or turrets unless i want them to, they are just useless and dont want them in it. The way to program it would be simply put it in the squad command wheel that functions as an on/off option and available to every member of the squad and applies to any vehicle they themselves call in or are in the drivers seat of. Also an Anti-Theft module on your dropsuit would be nice this way enemies can't hack the tank for say a period of like 60s after activation buying someone time if they die before getting to the tank. I think this also has a good risk/reward, either destroy the tank or fend off the owners until you can hack it.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:39:00 - [12] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk No you can BUY anything you want at any time. I can buy right now buy as many proto suits as i want but i wont be able to use them till i put skill points into them. Tanks are same way. If someone invested 3mil sp into tanks and has it stolen by someone who hasnt spent anything into tank, why should they be able to use it as a weapon? BECAUSE THEY STOLE IT. You are investing SP TO BUY THE DAMN THING! I'm Stealing the Lambo, not buying it. p.s. sorry for yelling
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:45:00 - [13] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? if he managed to kill zitro and hack his tank, yes, yes he should be able to take it for a joy ride
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:45:00 - [14] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? Simple answer no Take EVE for an example Just say a player is out in his pod and stumbles across an empty Drake (Battlecruiser), he may be able to board the ship if he has the required skills to fly the hull but if he didnt he couldnt board it to begin with Also if he could fly the ship but it already had T2 mods on it they would be offline because he doesnt have the required skills to use them So then if Zitro called in the proto tank but just wanted to snipe in the turrets then whoever jumps into the driver seat would also have to have the same skills and setup otherwise it would sit there because you had no other drivers. If you had the skills to move it and drive it then it would move but if you didnt have the skills to use any of the modules/turrets then you wouldnt be able to activate them or shoot
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 174	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:51:00 - [15] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk No you can BUY anything you want at any time. I can buy right now buy as many proto suits as i want but i wont be able to use them till i put skill points into them. Tanks are same way. If someone invested 3mil sp into tanks and has it stolen by someone who hasnt spent anything into tank, why should they be able to use it as a weapon? BECAUSE THEY STOLE IT. You are investing SP TO BUY THE DAMN THING! I'm Stealing the Lambo, not buying it. p.s. sorry for yelling but im not talking about any Lambo or real life object. im talking about a tank in a video game which requires skill points to use its weapon. and like i said you dont need sp to buy it all you need is ISK, you need sp to drive and use the weapons
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:02:00 - [16] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk No you can BUY anything you want at any time. I can buy right now buy as many proto suits as i want but i wont be able to use them till i put skill points into them. Tanks are same way. If someone invested 3mil sp into tanks and has it stolen by someone who hasnt spent anything into tank, why should they be able to use it as a weapon? BECAUSE THEY STOLE IT. You are investing SP TO BUY THE DAMN THING! I'm Stealing the Lambo, not buying it. p.s. sorry for yelling but im not talking about any Lambo or real life object. im talking about a tank in a video game which requires skill points to use its weapon. and like i said you dont need sp to buy it all you need is ISK, you need sp to drive and use the weapons Trust me I understand where you are coming from. I feel if I hack your stuff its mine. Period. Like you started it up with your top secret clearance but left the badge and keys in it while playing outside your tank. I bust the lock and Heeelllllooooo tank. You just started it with your skills but left it running?
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 264	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:06:00 - [17] - Quote After reading this post i can only imagine this happened. and I find it amusing. I have on several occasions stolen a tank from a reddot that chose a poor position to call in his tank. I believe that yes if i manage to get near (where you have deemed safe enough to drop in a tank) and then kill you on top of that i then manage to spend the 30 seconds or whatever it takes to hack your tank when anyone could jump in or kill me. I should in fact, now have a shiny new toy with which to drive straight at you and do with as i wish. I also believe if i manage to steal it, survive the rest of the match with it and then end the match, it and everything on it should now be mine. (only red hacked tanks not stolen blues)
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:06:00 - [18] - Quote Think of it like this. Zitro took the drivers license to be able to pilot the tank. I have not. When I steal his tank, I can still drive it.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 130	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:09:00 - [19] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? i say no they should not..but they should get it in salvage or something
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 15	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:16:00 - [20] - Quote I think personally it's fine if people steal other's vehicles etc through hacking but they should only be able to drive the vehicle if they have the required skills for it, the gunner seat in a lav for example is different and i think anyone should be able to use a gunner seat as the turret operation skills they have will effect the damage output anyway.

Mirana Cheshire Forgotten Militia 20	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:20:00 - [21] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Think of it like this. Zitro took the drivers license to be able to pilot the tank. I have not. When I steal his tank, I can still drive it. or think of it like this, you only have a driver's license but you just got yourself a 747 and dont have any prior flying knowledge, can you fly it? let me answer that for you: NO
Mirana Cheshire Forgotten Militia 20	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:23:00 - [22] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: GoD-NoVa wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk No you can BUY anything you want at any time. I can buy right now buy as many proto suits as i want but i wont be able to use them till i put skill points into them. Tanks are same way. If someone invested 3mil sp into tanks and has it stolen by someone who hasnt spent anything into tank, why should they be able to use it as a weapon? BECAUSE THEY STOLE IT. You are investing SP TO BUY THE DAMN THING! I'm Stealing the Lambo, not buying it. p.s. sorry for yelling but im not talking about any Lambo or real life object. im talking about a tank in a video game which requires skill points to use its weapon. and like i said you dont need sp to buy it all you need is ISK, you need sp to drive and use the weapons Trust me I understand where you are coming from. I feel if I hack your stuff its mine. Period. Like you started it up with your top secret clearance but left the badge and keys in it while playing outside your tank. I bust the lock and Heeelllllooooo tank. You just started it with your skills but left it running? problem is you use the isk to buy the tank and the sp to use it, anyone can buy a ship if they have the money, but do they have the knowledge to sail it?
Thurak Mirunas BetaMax. 9	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:27:00 - [23] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? I think what we need is all vehicles get a bonus from skills like eve ships do, +5% to mobility per level, that kinda stuff, that way someone can steal it but it wont be as good, also i think we need a short delay when you deploy a vehicle before someone on your team can get in it to prevent blues stealing each others HAV's, of course the enemy should be able to just hack and drive if given the chance
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:38:00 - [24] - Quote [/quote] problem is you use the isk to buy the tank and the sp to use it, anyone can buy a ship if they have the money, but do they have the knowledge to sail it?[/quote] You gain knowledge by doing. First time I hack you I die after 10 seconds. then 15. then 30. I hack it, it's mine. You left the keys in it running.
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 174	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:39:00 - [25] - Quote cool nice ideals, keep them coming. i personally believe they should not be able to operate the main weapon or tank if they havnt put the skill points into it. but they can still get in or activate a self destruct feature. p.s. i dont think this has happened to Zitro, i just used him as a prop cuz he is bad at tanks
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 379	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:47:00 - [26] - Quote Have you forgotten that there is s militia version if almost anything? Anyone can get a militia vehicle and use it, but thru can't use it well and get the crappiest stats. So yes you should be able to steal his tank but you shouldn't be able to use his module's or get any bonus stats from the tank, you hijack it and don't have the sp you get base stats
GoD-NoVa Imperfects Negative-Feedback 174	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:51:00 - [27] - Quote gbghg wrote: Have you forgotten that there is s militia version if almost anything? Anyone can get a militia vehicle and use it, but thru can't use it well and get the crappiest stats. So yes you should be able to steal his tank but you shouldn't be able to use his module's or get any bonus stats from the tank, you hijack it and don't have the sp you get base stats i know but im saying if he has a proto tank a red dot should not be able to operate it if the red dot doesnt have the SP into proto tanks
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.02.03 17:14:00 - [28] - Quote No SP, can't drive it. Plain and simple. I can't pick up a prototype AR off the ground, why should you be able to hop in the seat of a prototype tank? Also helps with blueberry thiefs.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2013.02.03 17:17:00 - [29] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk More like if you stole a tank irl and had no idea how to operate it. I did always find it strange that anyone could use any vehicle regardless of their skills.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2013.02.03 17:19:00 - [30] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: So if I steal a Lamborghini in real life I shouldnt be able to go all GTA in this MOFO? The SP investment allows you to BUY them not DRIVE them. Just my .02 isk More like if you stole a tank irl and had no idea how to operate it. I did always find it strange that anyone could use any vehicle regardless of their skills. Which of the 5 pedals is forward again?

Drifter MAGGOT KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.02.03 18:28:00 - [31] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? I was curious if a drop ship is destroyed while delivering a tank. Why do I still lose it?
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming 33	Posted - 2013.02.03 18:30:00 - [32] - Quote Guy got out of his tank to lay down an orbital bombardment by the time he was done laying it, I was driving his tank away a good 100 meters away from him i eventually turned around and gave his tank back to him because i'm not that kind of guy, but it was worth a good laugh.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.02.03 18:32:00 - [33] - Quote i vote no. in EVE if you discover an abandoned ship you have to have skills just to even board it
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 330	Posted - 2013.02.03 18:41:00 - [34] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? You have a point, I agree, it adds a little realism to the game but at the same time makes it less fun. For me, it's Fun > Realism So I can't support this even though it is a good idea. Just to help you out here a little bit, that lambo example is very much void and incorrect. You made the example based on the fact that you already know how to drive, If you never took a driving lesson or gotten your license you couldn't steal it and drive off now could you, at least not effectively anyway. Let's make it something not so basic, if a XB-70 Valkyrie fighter jet was left unoccupied on the field what soldier would run to try and Hi-jack it when he has never seen a day in a jet before, let alone go through the extensive training needed to fly one. This all all applies to the OP's post.
Synner Zerg SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:20:00 - [35] - Quote Comparing a tank to an expensive car is ridiculous. You should compare it to a real modern tank. If you got in, you probably wouldn't even figure out how to turn on the ignition, let alone operate the main barrel. This should really be like EvE (it is one Universe after all). No skills, can't use. Partial skills, partial use. There should still be an option to do "something" if you got close to an enemy empty tank. Maybe hack/sabotage it to blow up when someone enters it
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.02.04 01:29:00 - [36] - Quote GoD-NoVa wrote: Lets say Zitro drove a prototype tank and someone kills him while he calls his tank in. If that person was the enemy and that enemy gained the ability to hack his tank, should he be allowed to drive it if he hasn't invested any SP into tank skills? Why? did zitro lose his tank to a situation like this. Is he raging about it in corp chat? Because that would be funny.


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