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In eve you lose a ship you have to buy a new one. just like fittings in DUST.

there's also no penalty for teamkilling in EVE unless you pop someone in highsec. then concord just blows your ship up.

there's no justification, given that, to have a suggestion of a permaban for TK to be seriously considered when entire FLEETS get awoxed all the time, some to malicious teamkilling.

I'll be disappointed if CCP puts in bans for shooting an idiot blueberry at any level.

or just keep friendly fire off in public matches.

I'm pretty sure this was the plan

I think you should get fined for a TK. If you run out of money you get ejected. All monies are paid to the victim of the TK.

Wanna kill a lame sniper on your team? You can pay him to do it.

IF it's an accident, then the victim can choose to DK the fine.

If you shoot or nade people by accident, it's up to them to claim the fine or forgive you. Or you can get hammered. Check your background and don't willy nilly toss nades all over.

100k ISK a TK would do wonders.

I see lots of suicide griefing on this one as a get rich quick tactic. Hell, for 100K I'll happily jump in your killzone if you're on my team. It'll get me more ISK faster than actually playing the match.

I say that there would be 2 courses of fair action

FF, but with penalties... Have a TK count negatively on your MP, like when you kill your team mate, have it say TK -50... and/or have it count as a Death on your K/D ratio

From what I've been hearing yes, FF isn't going to be in pub matches, but it still doesn't stop the carebears from whining. And if FF was implemented like 5x Inf is suggesting, there will be a lot of suicide griefing.

No. try again.

edit: betrayal, backstabbing and screwovers are a longstanding part of the EVE universe, and the EULA reflects it.

And permaban for teamkilling is absolutely dumb. No making the game carebear even when there's no easy mode.

Decent proposal.

However, it would put additional strain on the servers

All monies are paid to the victim of the TK.

CCP has not mentioned FF being in public matches... which is why I made a thread suggesting a way it could be done without ruining Dust.

As for how much suicide griefing there'd be, I'm not sure. But I doubt there'd be "a lot", as even doing it on an alt to avoid the ISK/SP penalty, you'd still make it so that your main character would be walking a fine line during normal gameplay. If you TK a few people for a few games and land right on the borderline, and then go back to play your main character, if you're enough of a ****-up you could end up crossing the line with your main and being temporarily banned.

I don't really think anyone who plays Dust regularly would want to risk it. And I don't think non-Dust players would bother keeping Dust on their HD just to TK a few people a few times once every couple days.



This isn't a thread about betrayal or backstabbing, it's a thread about making FF a regular part of the game without having it be abused. How EVE works doesn't factor into it.

Permaban for repeatedly and maliciously TK'ing people in Instant Battles would be the only way to keep people from doing it incessantly. Without people having their ability to play the game on the line, they'll just switch to an alt character or account and TK as much as they want on a throw-away character.

As I see it, your option is either to have no FF in Instant Battle matches at all, as it is currently, or to be "carebear", as you call it, and have FF in Instant Battles, but make it so that shooting your allies is punishable.

Personally, I prefer FF to no FF. But I guess I'm just a carebear.



Well, every new gameplay feature puts additional strain on the servers. It's not my place to say whether such things are technically feasible, however.



Oops, I left this out. A percentage of the fitting cost should be reimbursed from the TK'er to their victim. Like 50% or so, even though 100% of the cost would be levied as a fine in additional to the regular penalties for simply damaging friendlies.

However, people should not be able to make money off of being TK'd, and in general FF should result in money simply being lost to the ether.

Penalty to mission payout fine. Forfeiture of salvage fine. Flag to neutral target fine. Penalty to wallet no. Banning shouldn't even be a passing thought. And how Eve works may not factor into Dust very much now, but it's still a factor, and will be more and more as time passes.

How EVE works doesn't matter because it's a totally different kind of game, was my point.

Without serious consequences that work across accounts, and threaten those accounts, they should leave FF off in Instant Battle matches. Unless CCP is willing to ban people from the game for persistent, clearly malicious TK'ing, then they should only have FF on in corp battles. It'll be weird and kind of dumb, but unless CCP is willing to be serious about punishing TK'ing, then TK'ing would ruin the game.

So penalties to X and Y may as well not even exist if FF were on in Instant Battles but you wouldn't be banned for repeated TK'ing, because as I said my my OP, with bolding and underlining, without penalties that span accounts people will simply make alt characters or alt PSN accounts to TK with, and then Dust will be done.

I was in a squad the other night and the idea from some FPS (which I don't remember, CoD?) was bullet reflection. The bullet reflects and does the damage on the shooter instead of the target.

Easy to implement, solves the issues and cost the shooter SP, Deaths, WP and ISK all in one quick solution. Limit it to weapons while not including OB or Vehicles could be good as well.

Otherwise, no. It is still a bad idea for DUST. For all the posturing this is not EVE, yet. It is not even running, yet. It is not even released, yet.

You want to destroy it before it is released? Enable FF. Plenty of teens would love to get into a free to play game, run the cheap suits and kill every blue by shooting them in the back until the game they want to play gets released or they get bored.

You want to convince Beta players not to bother with the stupid SP caps, the miserable slow accumulation of SP, the choked functionality just so they can get seven years of play time out of a one year game?

I suspect FF would help make the decision very clear for a number of them. Maybe even the EVE players.