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GetShotUp
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:06:00 -
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We just went against Warriors_1nc for the first corp battle ever and I wasn't so impressed even though we lost. My corp and I are respectful and we definitely know how to show respect to good tactical players but these guys (and girl) pulled out 4 heavy gunners. I'm curious, are all corp battles like this? Does anyone else see this sorta as a cheap win?
Also, to those who are skilled against fighting heavies, what is the best strategy to go with against them? lol how about 4 of them
EDIT: OLD THREAD IS OLD. I was in unLawful Authority, NOT UnReaL. I doubt the outcome would be very different. A more fair match, I can say. |
Orlando Rez
UnReaL.
21
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:12:00 -
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True...I really did expect more than that. |
James-5955
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:47:00 -
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I've noticed it lately, only once in CB recently where the enemy had 3-4 heavies. I found that fused grenades worked really well, they can't move around fast enough to dodge them and if they stay close to each other you can really mess them up.. It's nice if you can get some range and cover, be on their flank while they move towards an objective but get stopped and cornered.. throw down a nanohive and throw some grenades at the group of pinned heavies.
Usually, if I manage to encounter a heavy while I have cover and at least *some* distance I'll move backwards and keep myself hidden while preparing a grenade.. throw it at their feet, aim at the head and shoot. Usually works but the good heavies won't let me know about their presence until I'm within insta-kill range. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:48:00 -
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Consider yourselves lucky they only used heavies and not HAV's with sniper support. *Memories of november still haunting* |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:51:00 -
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It really depends on who you're playing.
Some corps use nothing but dirty tactics to win and who would blame them? All is far in love and war is it not?
Some fight with honor but in New Eden, what is more important? Honor and losing with honor or winning and coming out on top?
Some actually use tactics to win. Ether they be dirty or not.
The game isn't about who wants an honorable fight, just like EVE, the ones that are willing to use whatever trick, weather it be dirty and cheap or not, as long as it'll get them a win, that is the main goal. Later on EVE players are going to look at those corps that are winning regardless of what tactics are used and hire them for tons of ISK to fight for them till they find someone with better overall stats on winning. Law of the jungle kinda thing. |
Free Healing
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2013.02.01 07:52:00 -
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Well for one thing it depends on the Map. 4 Heavies would be eaten up by my Corp. because we have great heavies and have Anti-Heavy experience because of that. It also depends on the Map. Currently I know of two Corp. Contract maps. New manus peak and Ashland. Ashland would be trouble against heavies given the closed nature of the fight, but you have to go in expecting that. New Manus Peak (The larger of the two maps) isn't great for a large Heavy group because of the open space. Which is bad for Heavies. A good heavy squadron will rely on LAV's and you should have countermeasures (Such as AV Nades) available for that as well.
Just keep doing more fights and learn the maps and how to approach them. If you think going up against 4 Heavies is cheap, wait until you go up against 4 HAV's.
Keep the faith. |
GetShotUp
UnReaL.
83
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Posted - 2013.02.01 08:05:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Consider yourselves lucky they only used heavies and not HAV's with sniper support. *Memories of november still haunting*
The thought of a match like that sounds stressful. |
GetShotUp
UnReaL.
83
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Posted - 2013.02.01 08:12:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:It really depends on who you're playing.
Some corps use nothing but dirty tactics to win and who would blame them? All is far in love and war is it not?
Some fight with honor but in New Eden, what is more important? Honor and losing with honor or winning and coming out on top?
Some actually use tactics to win. Ether they be dirty or not.
The game isn't about who wants an honorable fight, just like EVE, the ones that are willing to use whatever trick, weather it be dirty and cheap or not, as long as it'll get them a win, that is the main goal. Later on EVE players are going to look at those corps that are winning regardless of what tactics are used and hire them for tons of ISK to fight for them till they find someone with better overall stats on winning. Law of the jungle kinda thing.
I guess we're going to have to get a little dirty as well. Mix it up but I'll never allow us to prepare a battle with a cheap tactic. Even if it doesn't make us the best, we will still feel good about ourselves. I want to figure out how to counter every cheap tactic "good" Corps do. |
Mr Gloo Gloo
What The French
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Posted - 2013.02.01 08:28:00 -
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Look, we've played a corp couple weeks ago : full of heavies, HAVs and LAVs, that's all they did, on the open 3 pts map. We should spam tanks 2, we didn't, and we lost.
Against a bunch of heavies, the only thing to do is : keep the distance. Lasers, MD, snipers, nades.
Every class has his own weakness. With a full heavy team, no uplink, no medics, no repair tool --> Make your own conclusion. |
Raxsus Lannister
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
11
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Posted - 2013.02.01 11:11:00 -
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GetShotUp wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:It really depends on who you're playing.
Some corps use nothing but dirty tactics to win and who would blame them? All is far in love and war is it not?
Some fight with honor but in New Eden, what is more important? Honor and losing with honor or winning and coming out on top?
Some actually use tactics to win. Ether they be dirty or not.
The game isn't about who wants an honorable fight, just like EVE, the ones that are willing to use whatever trick, weather it be dirty and cheap or not, as long as it'll get them a win, that is the main goal. Later on EVE players are going to look at those corps that are winning regardless of what tactics are used and hire them for tons of ISK to fight for them till they find someone with better overall stats on winning. Law of the jungle kinda thing. I guess we're going to have to get a little dirty as well. Mix it up but I'll never allow us to prepare a battle with a cheap tactic. Even if it doesn't make us the best, we will still feel good about ourselves. I want to figure out how to counter every cheap tactic "good" Corps do.
You continue to use "good" tactics and we'll continue to take your money. Welcome to New Eden |
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Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:13:00 -
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You were beaten by superior tactics. Big deal. It doesn't need it's own thread with you complaining about the fact that they're using ingame mechanics as they were intended (a feat for WARRIORS :P) and you couldn't counter them.
What it does need is for you guys to take a step back and look at what went wrong, and then how you can fix it. So the heavies caused you to lose. Bring your own heavies. Bring snipers. Bring lasers. Bring mass drivers. Bring shotguns. Bring HAV's. Anything is more useful than whining on the forums and calling legitimate tactics "dirty". It solves nothing and you will still lose your next battle against them if you don't change something.
Welcome to New Eden. Complaining solves nothing. Thinking does. |
Pays 2 Win
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:54:00 -
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Mr Gloo Gloo wrote:
Against a bunch of heavies, the only thing to do is : keep the distance. Lasers and snipers
Just this
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GetShotUp
UnReaL.
83
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:48:00 -
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Raxsus Lannister wrote:GetShotUp wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:It really depends on who you're playing.
Some corps use nothing but dirty tactics to win and who would blame them? All is far in love and war is it not?
Some fight with honor but in New Eden, what is more important? Honor and losing with honor or winning and coming out on top?
Some actually use tactics to win. Ether they be dirty or not.
The game isn't about who wants an honorable fight, just like EVE, the ones that are willing to use whatever trick, weather it be dirty and cheap or not, as long as it'll get them a win, that is the main goal. Later on EVE players are going to look at those corps that are winning regardless of what tactics are used and hire them for tons of ISK to fight for them till they find someone with better overall stats on winning. Law of the jungle kinda thing. I guess we're going to have to get a little dirty as well. Mix it up but I'll never allow us to prepare a battle with a cheap tactic. Even if it doesn't make us the best, we will still feel good about ourselves. I want to figure out how to counter every cheap tactic "good" Corps do. You continue to use "good" tactics and we'll continue to take your money. Welcome to New Eden
It's just a game man. Take my money lol |
GetShotUp
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:57:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:You were beaten by superior tactics. Big deal. It doesn't need it's own thread with you complaining about the fact that they're using ingame mechanics as they were intended (a feat for WARRIORS :P) and you couldn't counter them.
What it does need is for you guys to take a step back and look at what went wrong, and then how you can fix it. So the heavies caused you to lose. Bring your own heavies. Bring snipers. Bring lasers. Bring mass drivers. Bring shotguns. Bring HAV's. Anything is more useful than whining on the forums and calling legitimate tactics "dirty". It solves nothing and you will still lose your next battle against them if you don't change something.
Welcome to New Eden. Complaining solves nothing. Thinking does.
I'm not complaining, just thought it was cheap tactics and wondered if anyone felt the same way. I'm not some forum rager man, I'm not looking for hostility, I'm just here to talk about the game. You could have just stuck to saying the part where you're trying to give advice. |
Orlando Rez
UnReaL.
21
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:20:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:You were beaten by superior tactics. Big deal. It doesn't need it's own thread with you complaining about the fact that they're using ingame mechanics as they were intended (a feat for WARRIORS :P) and you couldn't counter them.
What it does need is for you guys to take a step back and look at what went wrong, and then how you can fix it. So the heavies caused you to lose. Bring your own heavies. Bring snipers. Bring lasers. Bring mass drivers. Bring shotguns. Bring HAV's. Anything is more useful than whining on the forums and calling legitimate tactics "dirty". It solves nothing and you will still lose your next battle against them if you don't change something.
Welcome to New Eden. Complaining solves nothing. Thinking does.
We aren't complaining, just simply asking for advice from the more experienced corps out there.. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:16:00 -
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Set up a match again Zion and we'll help show you how the better corps do things.
our own newberries could use the practice. |
Kombaticus Maximus
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
13
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:21:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Set up a match again Zion and we'll help show you how the better corps do things.
our own newberries could use the practice.
Dont put me against them I roll HEAVY
Dont need anymore hate mail. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:39:00 -
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A win's a win OP |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:47:00 -
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Every corp battle against warriors will be like that.
There are lots of corps that only run 1 heavy a squad in corp battles. You should have just gotten LAVs out and ran them over. Heavies are so slow. Or just drop a nanohive and spam nades at the group of heavies. Learn the counters for everything and adapt to every situation. |
Orlando Rez
UnReaL.
21
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:52:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Set up a match again Zion and we'll help show you how the better corps do things.
our own newberries could use the practice.
Aye, I shall speak with my corp to see if we can set this up...
@kombaticus maximus heavies aren't a problem we just didn't expect 4 heavies in a 4v4 lol |
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Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:17:00 -
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It has already been stated here a few times but yes, never go into a battle expecting a 'fair' fight. That is something we in SyN learned from the start, expect gay **** like 4 heavies(which isnt even that bad), or 4 tanks. We played STB the day the Eve to Dust ISK transfer was exploited... we faced over 11 tanks in a match, thats just how this game will be, a win is a win. Everyone always says "adapt or die" sort of as a joke, but its the truth.
If your looking for more corp battles we at SyNergy are always looking for goodfights. Hit us up in SyN'ers Public(our ingame channel) or go to our thread in these War Room forums and we can set something up.
Goodluck out there. |
Red Dot 24601-HA
S.e.V.e.N.
36
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:58:00 -
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Give us a try Rez. We don like using cheap tactics either. We are a well rounded group and play fair. At the end of the match I we want both sides to have enjoyed themselves whether they won or not. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.02.02 01:33:00 -
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I can't promise we won't use 'cheap' tactics as we can't properly define it. But we will show you how to die a lot :)
contact us at ziontcd.enjin.com and send a message to ZionShad. |
GetShotUp
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.02 03:13:00 -
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Thanks to all who are keeping the thread conversation on a positive side and sorry if I've offended anyone. We're definitely going up against as many corps as we can but this time, we will pick our fights wiser. For now, we're going to take it easy and prepare ourselves before scheduling another corp battle. We're still very new so preparation time needs to be taken. i know a lot of you guys are really good. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:34:00 -
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GetShotUp wrote:We just went against Warriors_1nc for the first corp battle ever and I wasn't so impressed even though we lost. My corp and I are respectful and we definitely know how to show respect to good tactical players but these guys (and girl) pulled out 4 heavy gunners. I'm curious, are all corp battles like this? Does anyone else see this sorta as a cheap win?
Also, to those who are skilled against fighting heavies, what is the best strategy to go with against them? lol how about 4 of them
How is it cheap to use your resources to win a battle. Can you not also use heavy troops.
Snipers can take out most heavies in a single clip, given enough skill (not sp, personal skill). Hopefully you can use your own tactics to win.
Next time leave more information if you want more. |
Orlando Rez
UnReaL.
21
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Posted - 2013.02.03 02:54:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:GetShotUp wrote:We just went against Warriors_1nc for the first corp battle ever and I wasn't so impressed even though we lost. My corp and I are respectful and we definitely know how to show respect to good tactical players but these guys (and girl) pulled out 4 heavy gunners. I'm curious, are all corp battles like this? Does anyone else see this sorta as a cheap win?
Also, to those who are skilled against fighting heavies, what is the best strategy to go with against them? lol how about 4 of them How is it cheap to use your resources to win a battle. Can you not also use heavy troops. Snipers can take out most heavies in a single clip, given enough skill (not sp, personal skill). Hopefully you can use your own tactics to win. Next time leave more information if you want more.
Plz teach me, how can we snipe through walls, 4 heavies in that match never poked their heads out not even tanks could get them..they stood in doors at all times |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.02.03 03:52:00 -
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Like I said, more information always helps. Also the number of guys you had would have helped as well. Also you should state what type of match. |
Orlando Rez
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.03 04:10:00 -
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It was a 4v4,their team consist of 4 heavies & ours was 1 heavy 1 logibro 1 AR assault, & a dropship pilot, was a skirmish 3 point map |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.02.03 05:14:00 -
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Ouch, that's a hard map to do with 4v4. I'd recommend just making some heavy dropsuits in case you need them. You'd have to just stay together, dropship isn't too helpful if he doesn't have gunners. Also recommend getting more people before doing corp battles. Be where they aren't and if you snipe close range you could get them, just hard.
Like I said they aren't playing cheap, there just willing to spend more to win.
Good Luck,
Ronan |
Orlando Rez
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.02.03 05:22:00 -
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Thanks, we'll get them next time...working on a rematch |
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