DUST Search - Here is why we should welcome Friendly Fire

Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:

Arramakaian Eka wrote:

So Friendly Fire is finally coming to Dust. It's not something we should be concerned about.

Note that the exact way it is introduced has not been outlined yet, AFAIK. I hope it will be always on, but it might be on in Corp battles and nullsec only. Any WP/SP/ISK penalties (if any) has not been released, either, and I'd prefer to keep that discussion on another thread.

Here why we should welcome FF:

Friendly Fire promotes more deliberate gameplay, and discourages spray-and-pray since you can't shoot everything that moves
You will not get TKd all the time. I only play FF modes in FPSs, and I suffer a non-accidental TK perhaps every ten game sessions, and see them rarely
Griefing happens. CCP might include Vote-To-Kick, which is in most FPSs. I'm ambivalent; it does help dealing with dicks, although is wide open to abuse by organized squads and corps VTKing people they don't like or if they want to make room for corpmates. VTK also doesn't fit EVE universe.
Accidents happen to you and your teammates. L2P and HTFU; or better yet, laugh about it. Some of the funniest FPS memories I have are of TKs. Like that one time in TO:AOT I threw a grenade which bounced off a ceiling beam right in the middle of my team following me, killing four of them. I didn't even get votekicked, everyone was laughing so hard - this is on pub. Or that other time a teammate popped their head right in the center of my sights as I squeezed the trigger on my sniper rifle. Pop goes the head. Good times.
TK is a perfectly valid and necessary tactic for corp spies, infiltrators, and assassins. In fact, it will allow for whole new avenues for gameplay we haven't seen in FPSs if CCP has the balls to introduce such contracts.
TK is a perfectly valid way to deal with AFKers in some games. Not sure if there's a use for it in Dust since you have unlimited spawns and don't get dropped if you don't spawn since you're AFK.
FF belongs in the ruthless EVE universe where every action has lasting repercussions. This is not your carebear FPS where death has no impact. [late addition to the list]
And the most important lesson from my EVE days: if you can't afford to lose it, don't use it. It being a dropsuit or gear.

Let me tell you why there shouldn't be FF

If you wipe the floor with someone one game, he's on your team next game, how fun do you think he/she would think it to be to kill your proto suit as many times as he could while on your team?

For MD and LR users, you will be punished for your team running in front of you or getting in blast radius.

For tank drivers, please this is ridiculous.

For DS gunners, the missiles spitting out wherever they feel, ya that's fair.

Random grenades before a team mate dies kills your 200k suit, because he wants revenge and you happen to be taking that revenge for him.

AV grenades, will they seek friendly vehicles?

When your CRU is camped, there will be many casualties.

Teamwork will consist of staying away from each other for no accidents.

I could go on but eeeeh.


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Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.31 20:16:00 - [1] - Quote Road Hawk wrote: friendly fire solve nothing and make only more problems and to all sweet guys which like friendly fire ----wait till someone kill you and steal your 4 mill tank in corp battle ok ,but otherwise no we have enouth problems to solve ingame and not need new problems I don't see any problems. I've stolen blueberry tanks, and had them stolen as well. Don't use it if you can't afford to lose it. FF would slow down all of the lone wolf spray and pray COD kiddos who run around like tards and screw up the matches for everyone actually playing the squad based shooter that Dust is designed to be.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.02.02 12:42:00 - [2] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Arramakaian Eka wrote: So Friendly Fire is finally coming to Dust. It's not something we should be concerned about. Note that the exact way it is introduced has not been outlined yet, AFAIK. I hope it will be always on, but it might be on in Corp battles and nullsec only. Any WP/SP/ISK penalties (if any) has not been released, either, and I'd prefer to keep that discussion on another thread. Here why we should welcome FF: Friendly Fire promotes more deliberate gameplay, and discourages spray-and-pray since you can't shoot everything that moves You will not get TKd all the time. I only play FF modes in FPSs, and I suffer a non-accidental TK perhaps every ten game sessions, and see them rarely Griefing happens. CCP might include Vote-To-Kick, which is in most FPSs. I'm ambivalent; it does help dealing with dicks, although is wide open to abuse by organized squads and corps VTKing people they don't like or if they want to make room for corpmates. VTK also doesn't fit EVE universe. Accidents happen to you and your teammates. L2P and HTFU; or better yet, laugh about it. Some of the funniest FPS memories I have are of TKs. Like that one time in TO:AOT I threw a grenade which bounced off a ceiling beam right in the middle of my team following me, killing four of them. I didn't even get votekicked, everyone was laughing so hard - this is on pub. Or that other time a teammate popped their head right in the center of my sights as I squeezed the trigger on my sniper rifle. Pop goes the head. Good times. TK is a perfectly valid and necessary tactic for corp spies, infiltrators, and assassins. In fact, it will allow for whole new avenues for gameplay we haven't seen in FPSs if CCP has the balls to introduce such contracts. TK is a perfectly valid way to deal with AFKers in some games. Not sure if there's a use for it in Dust since you have unlimited spawns and don't get dropped if you don't spawn since you're AFK. FF belongs in the ruthless EVE universe where every action has lasting repercussions. This is not your carebear FPS where death has no impact. [late addition to the list] And the most important lesson from my EVE days: if you can't afford to lose it, don't use it. It being a dropsuit or gear. Let me tell you why there shouldn't be FF If you wipe the floor with someone one game, he's on your team next game, how fun do you think he/she would think it to be to kill your proto suit as many times as he could while on your team? For MD and LR users, you will be punished for your team running in front of you or getting in blast radius. For tank drivers, please this is ridiculous. For DS gunners, the missiles spitting out wherever they feel, ya that's fair. Random grenades before a team mate dies kills your 200k suit, because he wants revenge and you happen to be taking that revenge for him. AV grenades, will they seek friendly vehicles? When your CRU is camped, there will be many casualties. Teamwork will consist of staying away from each other for no accidents. I could go on but eeeeh. I'm confused, this is your list for why there SHOULDN'T be FF? Why do all of these things sound so fun then?