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BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.01.30 23:59:00 -
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I will try the tactis that you guys gave. Thanks for all replies except the Jason Pearson who is obviously a kid or a disrespectful redneck. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2049
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:05:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:I will try the tactis that you guys gave. Thanks for all replies except the Jason Pearson who is obviously a kid or a disrespectful redneck.
But he is a child redneck with a point. |
BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:09:00 -
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Although he has a point his way of telling his opinion does not make it any good. We can tell ideas/thoughts without insulting people. I hope you are capable of understanding what I am saying. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1062
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:11:00 -
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It's a type 1 scout BPO- what more do you want? |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2049
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:13:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Although he has a point his way of telling his opinion does not make it any good. We can tell ideas/thoughts without insulting people. I hope you are capable of understanding what I am saying.
Awww quit being a pus$y  |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:24:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:You don't get the point.
Scout dropsuit have smaller sig radius, better scan range and scan resolution. That means scouts are harder to find and can find others better.
Last time i checked scout suits also had a reduction of the sniper rifle sway.
The starter sniper fit is an assault suit with no tank, no damage and will be spotted by true snipers very fast.
The point when sniping is to not be seen, not to tank.
If i were to snipe i would use something like this:
"Dragonfly" Scout dropsuit.
-Charge sniper rifle
-"toxin" smg
--Light damage modifier
-a module that reduce your signature (can't remember the name, it's a low power module, you can use milita one)
- an armor repair
-Nanohives
Unless you have more than one low, you'll need to choose between the armor repair and the scan profile dampener. In which case, choose the scan profile dampener or something else. Really, if you are sniping with it as that fit, then you'll not need the dampener as you'll be at range anyway.
Just remember that most snipers die in one shot to other snipers. They can't take a hit even from a militia sniper rifle afaik. I'm fairly certain my assault snip fit only rarely survives it. That basically means you might as well skip tank entirely, aside from some concern about players sneaking up on you.
You can't fit for everything, so you'll have to choose. A Stimulant to increase your speed might be more practical.
edit: if it does have 2 lows then I suppose that's pretty awesome but I wouldn't use them for armor unless I wasn't sniping. I'd also drop the SMG in favor of a sidearm or Nova Knife. Probably a sidearm given its range, damage, and accuracy. I've found SMGs to be rather useless on a number of my fits. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:47:00 -
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Sytonis Auran wrote:The stat on a scout suit that often gets overlooked is the shield recharge rate. Speed, which gets most of the attention gets you away from being shot, but its the insane recharge rate that gives you survivability. Couple a complex shield extender to give some buffer and a shield regulator and short breaks get you back in action almost straightaway.
The Dragonfly suit is fine as it is, in my view.
Scout suits ability to get back to full shield HP is often misinterpreted as a strength.
Well, scout DOES get to full HP quickly, but the speed of the recharge (not talking about delay here) is fast because total HP is very low, hence making it fast to get to full HP.
Recharge delay is good as it really is somewhat smaller, but not fast enough to be a strength to rely on. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2049
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:49:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Sytonis Auran wrote:The stat on a scout suit that often gets overlooked is the shield recharge rate. Speed, which gets most of the attention gets you away from being shot, but its the insane recharge rate that gives you survivability. Couple a complex shield extender to give some buffer and a shield regulator and short breaks get you back in action almost straightaway.
The Dragonfly suit is fine as it is, in my view. Scout suits ability to get back to full shield HP is often misinterpreted as a strength. Well, scout DOES get to full HP quickly, but the speed of the recharge (not talking about delay here) is fast because total HP is very low, hence making it fast to get to full HP. Recharge delay is good as it really is somewhat smaller, but not fast enough to be a strength to rely on.
The recharge rate is actually faster then other suits as well as having to recharge less hp. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:57:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Dragonfly suit ,which you get for buying mercenary pack is too weak, even compared to militia equipment.
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Dragonfly suit is AWESOME.
I've used that for every character of mine at all SP levels, since the introduction of merc pack.
Skinweave BPO is the same as militia. Those are weak.
Dragonfly BPO is the same as basic/standard.
Basic is far better than militia, extra PG+CPU+slot.
I rest my case. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.01.31 01:59:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Sytonis Auran wrote:The stat on a scout suit that often gets overlooked is the shield recharge rate. Speed, which gets most of the attention gets you away from being shot, but its the insane recharge rate that gives you survivability. Couple a complex shield extender to give some buffer and a shield regulator and short breaks get you back in action almost straightaway.
The Dragonfly suit is fine as it is, in my view. Scout suits ability to get back to full shield HP is often misinterpreted as a strength. Well, scout DOES get to full HP quickly, but the speed of the recharge (not talking about delay here) is fast because total HP is very low, hence making it fast to get to full HP. Recharge delay is good as it really is somewhat smaller, but not fast enough to be a strength to rely on. The recharge rate is actually faster then other suits as well as having to recharge less hp.
Yes it is, but most of the effect people see is because of low HP.
The fact that a suit has low HP makes fast recharge and recharge delay LESS valuable. |
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Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:09:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Although he has a point his way of telling his opinion does not make it any good. We can tell ideas/thoughts without insulting people. I hope you are capable of understanding what I am saying.
if you don't grow a thicker skin, this forum community is going to eat you alive.
Quit looking at me like that while I marinate you in the Forum Cannibal Secret Sauce. Hold still. |
Sytonis Auran
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.01.31 23:55:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Sytonis Auran wrote:The stat on a scout suit that often gets overlooked is the shield recharge rate. Speed, which gets most of the attention gets you away from being shot, but its the insane recharge rate that gives you survivability. Couple a complex shield extender to give some buffer and a shield regulator and short breaks get you back in action almost straightaway.
The Dragonfly suit is fine as it is, in my view. Scout suits ability to get back to full shield HP is often misinterpreted as a strength. Well, scout DOES get to full HP quickly, but the speed of the recharge (not talking about delay here) is fast because total HP is very low, hence making it fast to get to full HP. Recharge delay is good as it really is somewhat smaller, but not fast enough to be a strength to rely on.
Do you play the same on full health, or low health, or somewhere in between? Conversely, do you attack someone more aggressively when you see they are on low health? Constantly being back to full health is a psychological strength for me and players underestimating low shield/armour bars is a bonus.
So yes, for me its a strength. |
Snaps Tremor
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
41
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Posted - 2013.02.01 01:28:00 -
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If you don't know what is scout, you're not ready to say whether any part of the game needs a buff or a nerf. Play more, get better, and understand why you're the only one asking for this. |
Loki Shadow
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:32:00 -
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Question when it said Unlimited beside it. Dose it mean when you die you still have that suit? |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:03:00 -
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scouts are backstabbing cowards :) you flank and get a weapon that will 1 hit kill thats why you see shotgun scouts quite a bit your never supposed to be seen your supposed to take out the lone blueberry not the group of heavies >_> |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
475
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:33:00 -
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why on god's green earth are you comparing a scout suit to a assault suit? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
10
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:44:00 -
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Scouts in general need a buff, yes. 'Speed' is not a significant enough advantage when a Type-II Assault is very close to the same speed. When active scanners come in the signature radius will be more important but to take full advantage of the Scout's speed you need to sprint, which kind of invalidates the advantage of signature radius. |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
183
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Posted - 2013.04.05 08:31:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Dragonfly suit ,which you get for buying mercenary pack is too weak, even compared to militia equipment.
Dragonfly attributes:
Pg:30 >
Cpu: 115 <
[Shield]: 100 <
[Armor]: 90 <
Shield recharge rate: 40 >
Basic Assault equipment that you get for free:
Pg: 26 <
Cpu:150 >
Shield: 125 >
Armor: 175 >
Shield recharge rate: 15 <
As some people will suggest I do not want to gain advantage over non-paying players but receiving a suit that is not as good as free ones is not nice.
You can't compare those suits! The Dragonfly Scout suit is the equivalent to the Scout Type-I, as it should be. If you have a problem with that, kindly get the **** out of Dust, because I don't want CCP constantly hearing the whining about how you can't pay to win despite all the advantages you receive from using actual money. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2386
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Posted - 2013.04.05 09:52:00 -
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Dragonfly, like the Standard Scout suit, has 2 low slots.
Militia Scout doesn't. Skinweave doesn't. Militia ASSAULT doesn't.
Scouts get 25m scan radius - much better than the Assault's 15.
Scouts get a shorter regen delay than Assaults (although the depleted delay is the same).
Scouts get slightly better scan profile than Assaults (45 vs. 50) and notably better precision (45 vs. 55).
Scouts get better base movement and sprint speed than Assaults.
If you're not taking advantage of the advantages of the suit, that isn't the game's fault.
ISK value vs. ISK value, Dragonfly fittings are some of the best in the game. |
Mithridates VI
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
640
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Posted - 2013.04.05 09:59:00 -
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I liked the part where OP was like "don't call me names you disrespectful redneck". |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2386
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Posted - 2013.04.05 10:04:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Scouts in general need a buff, yes. 'Speed' is not a significant enough advantage when a Type-II Assault is very close to the same speed. When active scanners come in the signature radius will be more important but to take full advantage of the Scout's speed you need to sprint, which kind of invalidates the advantage of signature radius.
...until you realise that sprinting doesn't affect your scan profile.
Seriously. Tested, verified, proven, AND stated publicly by the devs in the thread about equipment (although there was some misinformation from them as well). |
lok rark
sephiroth clones
General Tso's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:52:00 -
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Being a n00b I don't like to butt in especially when im trying to log into dust but.... your talking rubbish.
The Dragonfly in the merc set is actually an assault suit. Not a scout.
Dragonfly assault [NSV] SLOTS 2lp, 2hp, 2 wep, 1 inf
Dragonfly scout [NSV] SLOTS 2lp, 1hp, 2wep, 1 inf, 1scg
are totally different. I know because i have both. The scout is similar to the CQC scout. Dfly scout is my fav suit. But only because i did the core/sheild upgrades etc to pack the extra cpu and pg. I know its only a learner scout but it frees me up to sp on my heavy. :D
Anyway the merc pack has the assault not the scout.
See i could have logged in by now :p
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endezeichen grimm
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.11 22:58:00 -
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[b]What does nsv mean?/b] |
lok rark
StealthSquad
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:34:00 -
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I dont know and I wouldn't like to guess... cause apparently im talking rubbish....
I heard the scout WAS in the merc pack and they changed it. I am un-sure if the scout merc pack came with the toxin assault or the toxin sub. (I prefer syndicate over toxin sub)
They should change the suits around more, you could get a different one every month.
Also its Bulls%$t that the price is so different between countries. |
lok rark
StealthSquad
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:39:00 -
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Actually the "Dragonfly"'s need some serious explination for how they can gain bonus. I heard caldari would upgrade your dragonfly but not from official CCCP sources ;) and weather Caldari up's both "fly" suits. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:47:00 -
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Sytonis Auran wrote:The stat on a scout suit that often gets overlooked is the shield recharge rate. Speed, which gets most of the attention gets you away from being shot, but its the insane recharge rate that gives you survivability. Couple a complex shield extender to give some buffer and a shield regulator and short breaks get you back in action almost straightaway.
The Dragonfly suit is fine as it is, in my view.
Recharge rate of 40 is great man, paired up with an enhanced recharger, man that thing skyrockets. It's not the best because it takes a lot of cpu/pg. I think you'll shine with the regulator though.
If you have the Dragonfly Scout suit, be the dragonfly. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
277
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:23:00 -
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BOZ MR wrote:Dragonfly suit ,which you get for buying mercenary pack is too weak, even compared to militia equipment.
Dragonfly attributes:
Pg:30 >
Cpu: 115 <
[Shield]: 100 <
[Armor]: 90 <
Shield recharge rate: 40 >
Basic Assault equipment that you get for free:
Pg: 26 <
Cpu:150 >
Shield: 125 >
Armor: 175 >
Shield recharge rate: 15 <
As some people will suggest I do not want to gain advantage over non-paying players but receiving a suit that is not as good as free ones is not nice.
The stats on the Dragonfly suit are different than that.
PG:30
CPU:125
Shield:70
Armor:130 |
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