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Alosatche
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:30:00 -
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Since this is considered 'BETA' version, does this mean any characters we make currently will be reset for skills/ISK/ etc when it's not a BETA version or will it remain as is with everything I just listed.
I couldn't find any articles on this. Thanks
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Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:35:00 -
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CCP says "NO MORE RESETS"...
Until they do another one...
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:35:00 -
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You couldn't find any articles on it !? A simple search using the word "Reset" Brings up I don't now say.. 57pages or so of "articles".. :-/
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=reset |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
165
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:35:00 -
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It's not going to reset unless something unexpected happens. |
SUGAR-BOO-BOO
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:36:00 -
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Alosatche wrote:I couldn't find any articles on this. Thanks
You mean you didn't SEARCH for any articles on this, don't you? |
Sword of Gallente
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:36:00 -
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If you mean when the finished game comes out i'm pretty darn sure everyones character will be reset. |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:39:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:It's not going to reset unless something unexpected happens. basically that means they're going to reset the characters again. |
SUGAR-BOO-BOO
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:41:00 -
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Sword of Gallente wrote:If you mean when the finished game comes out i'm pretty darn sure everyones character will be reset. NO. NONONONONO!
Don't you newbies know how to READ?
We've already HAD the reset from closed to open beta. |
Alosatche
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:41:00 -
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My apologies, I meant I couldn't find any articles on this not in these forums. This is my first time here on the official forums, I readily admit I didn't 'search' for said key word. From the looks of the responses the answer is still in question....
Seems like if you spend real money on AUR then at the very least they could refund it or have it in a 'bank' for future/potential resets.
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stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:44:00 -
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Alosatche wrote:My apologies, I meant I couldn't find any articles on this not in these forums. This is my first time here on the official forums, I readily admit I didn't 'search' for said key word. From the looks of the responses the answer is still in question....
Seems like if you spend real money on AUR then at the very least they could refund it or have it in a 'bank' for future/potential resets.
in the past resets CCP has said they would refund any aurum purchases after a char reset. i don't have any so idk if they actually did or not, but i assume if something goes wrong and they HAVE to reset again, your aurum will be returned. |
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SUGAR-BOO-BOO
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:05:00 -
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1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
2) There will NOT be any more character resets. I hope most of you are intelligent enough to see the correlation as to why that is so.
3) The "Unless something drastic" clause is basic, everyday "cover yer arse" legal speak. The only thing I can think of "drastic" enough to cause this would be an EMP striking all CCPs servers and erasing info on everyone's accounts. |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:09:00 -
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SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
did CCP say this somewhere? i find it hard to believe if someone spent real money on aurum equipment, and they reset char's (EMP blast or not) that they would say 'your loss'.. |
Alosatche
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:11:00 -
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SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
2) There will NOT be any more character resets. I hope most of you are intelligent enough to see the correlation as to why that is so.
3) The "Unless something drastic" clause is basic, everyday "cover yer arse" legal speak. The only thing I can think of "drastic" enough to cause this would be an EMP striking all CCPs servers and erasing info on everyone's accounts.
Thanks Sugar-Boo-Boo |
SUGAR-BOO-BOO
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:12:00 -
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stormtroopin wrote:SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
did CCP say this somewhere? i find it hard to believe if someone spent real money on aurum equipment, and they reset char's (EMP blast or not) that they would say 'your loss'..
Oh my....
This is what I meant by "most of you being intelligent enough to understand the correlation."
Guess we know where YOU fit in.
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TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:14:00 -
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Open beta is probably the release, but it expands over time. PS home is open beta, and it's expanding. Anyways, I don't mind having it reset because I lost a lot of AUR due to disconnection and LAG! |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:16:00 -
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stormtroopin wrote:SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
did CCP say this somewhere? i find it hard to believe if someone spent real money on aurum equipment, and they reset char's (EMP blast or not) that they would say 'your loss'.. IF there is a character reset, you will get your AUR back, fear not. |
Nightbird Aeon
Brimstone Tactical Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:19:00 -
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stormtroopin wrote:SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
did CCP say this somewhere? i find it hard to believe if someone spent real money on aurum equipment, and they reset char's (EMP blast or not) that they would say 'your loss'..
In past character resets, anything you got in a Merc Pack and used will be returned to you. You get your AUR back, too.... the one thing that CCP won't do is refund your purchase transaction, giving back your real money and subtracting AUR.
So, if you bought 3 Merc Packs and got a $100 worth of AUR, you will have all of that on your account following a Character reset.
***IF**** they do another reset, which is highly, HIGHLY unlikely. |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:22:00 -
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SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:stormtroopin wrote:SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
did CCP say this somewhere? i find it hard to believe if someone spent real money on aurum equipment, and they reset char's (EMP blast or not) that they would say 'your loss'.. Oh my.... This is what I meant by "most of you being intelligent enough to understand the correlation." Guess we know where YOU fit in. and where's that? i understand the correlation that your pretentious assumption was trying to draw. i simply asked for some proof that what you're saying was right. because you saying that CCP will NOT refund AUR goes against what they've actually DONE in the past. |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:24:00 -
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Nightbird Aeon wrote:stormtroopin wrote:SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
did CCP say this somewhere? i find it hard to believe if someone spent real money on aurum equipment, and they reset char's (EMP blast or not) that they would say 'your loss'.. In past character resets, anything you got in a Merc Pack and used will be returned to you. You get your AUR back, too.... the one thing that CCP won't do is refund your purchase transaction, giving back your real money and subtracting AUR. So, if you bought 3 Merc Packs and got a $100 worth of AUR, you will have all of that on your account following a Character reset. ***IF**** they do another reset, which is highly, HIGHLY unlikely. gracias. +1, that's what i figured. |
Midas Man ll
Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:26:00 -
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SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
CCP have never "refunded" in the true sence so the money is already banked, when they reset they just reset i.e. all items you used are no longer used and are now available to be used again. I donGÇÖt see CCP doing anything other than this if they reset again. I know I for one would not buy another merc pack if my original 1 suddenly disappeared along with all the benefits I paid for, I donGÇÖt think IGÇÖd be alone in this and CCP would not want to lose the potential repeat business.
CCP have said 2 things about further resets:
1) They stated early on there will be many reset through the beta period and a final one when it goes live. 2) a dev said "this is the last reset" when posting about the last reset however his wording was a bit vague.
The wording of the original statement could not be misconstrued i.e. Reset at launch period. So that where my money is. look how far we are ahead of the open beta testers after what 1 week head start, do you really feel CCP would release the game to new customers after we have had a 6 month + head start. I imagine we will get a special beta present as a thank you ie a set of militia suits with a different skin or something similar but not a 6 month head start. |
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SUGAR-BOO-BOO
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:27:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:IF there is a character reset, you will get your AUR back, fear not.
I don't doubt that. But...
SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote: It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point.
I also don't doubt that CCP needs to start showing an income stream on their books from this game at this point. I don't know if CCP runs on an off calendar Fiscal Year or not, but it is rather interesting that the Character Reset (and thus the official collecting of money from Aurum purchases) occured practically in the first week of 2013, don't you think?
Simple formula: Another Reset = Forfeiture of all Sales from Aurum Purchases
That's not going to happen. (Unless something "drastic" occurs. ) |
Midas Man ll
Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance
38
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:36:00 -
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CCP banked your money the day you spent it on Aurum, they have not got a pile of ISK (the real isk's) in there icelandic office waiting for the final reset.
Aurum is not refundable you cannot ask CCP for your money back (well atleast above normal consumer law and im clueless what that is for online purchases of "imaginary" items) Therefore as soon as you hand CP the cash its on their books. If they did with hold the money they would be facing some akward questions from Mr Tax Man as to why earned revenue wasn't in their books when it was earned. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:40:00 -
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Midas Man ll wrote:SUGAR-BOO-BOO wrote:1) CCP will NOT refund any more money spent on Aurum. It is quite obvious they actually want to put those sales in their revenue column at this point. Sense that is the case...
CCP have never "refunded" in the true sence so the money is already banked, when they reset they just reset i.e. all items you used are no longer used and are now available to be used again. I donGÇÖt see CCP doing anything other than this if they reset again. I know I for one would not buy another merc pack if my original 1 suddenly disappeared along with all the benefits I paid for, I donGÇÖt think IGÇÖd be alone in this and CCP would not want to lose the potential repeat business. CCP have said 2 things about further resets: 1) They stated early on there will be many reset through the beta period and a final one when it goes live. 2) a dev said "this is the last reset" when posting about the last reset however his wording was a bit vague. The wording of the original statement could not be misconstrued i.e. Reset at launch period. So that where my money is. look how far we are ahead of the open beta testers after what 1 week head start, do you really feel CCP would release the game to new customers after we have had a 6 month + head start. I imagine we will get a special beta present as a thank you ie a set of militia suits with a different skin or something similar but not a 6 month head start.
That's what I was thinking but in a thread where I asked for confirmation of a reset for official release....ccp has said they are not resetting.
I think it is silly to not have a total wipe at launch but I don't think CCP will give one. |
SUGAR-BOO-BOO
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:40:00 -
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stormtroopin wrote: i understand the correlation that your pretentious assumption was trying to draw. i simply asked for some proof that what you're saying was right. because you saying that CCP will NOT refund AUR goes against what they've actually DONE in the past.
For the record, this actually was stated on the record by CCP. I cannot remember if it was in one of the many Announcement threads concerning the move to Tranquility or the Open Beta, or a Skype conversation that someone posted on here. To paraphrase their post, "We will not be doing anymore Aurum refunds after January 8th." To continue paraphrasing, "As a result, the move to Tranquility will be the LAST character reset, unless something drastic happens."
Let me repeat: If there was another reset, I don't doubt that CCP would "refund" (as in let you have what you bought back yet again - not return your money to your account) all Aurum purchases. However, in the announcement/conversation that I am speaking of that was not explicitly stated.
And for those of you who are in the Business/Accounting/Finance fields, it is a simple hop from A to B to see () that CCP wants (needs) to begin earning those unearned revenues on this product. |
SUGAR-BOO-BOO
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:42:00 -
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Midas Man ll wrote:CCP banked your money the day you spent it on Aurum, they have not got a pile of ISK (the real isk's) in there icelandic office waiting for the final reset. Aurum is not refundable you cannot ask CCP for your money back (well atleast above normal consumer law and im clueless what that is for online purchases of "imaginary" items) Therefore as soon as you hand CP the cash its on their books. If they did with hold the money they would be facing some akward questions from Mr Tax Man as to why earned revenue wasn't in their books when it was earned.
When it comes to Accounting, you are "showing your ass" as the saying goes. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:23:00 -
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Sword of Gallente wrote:If you mean when the finished game comes out
Like EVE, so will DUST, never be finished.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1593
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:26:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:
CCP says "NO MORE RESETS"...
Until they do another one...
They say that will only happen if something catastrophic happens. Knowing CCP, that's highly unlikely. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1593
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:32:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=461847#post461847
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
Barring any unforseen issues that would require another reset, this one (the reset post TQ migration) should be the last one.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1593
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:35:00 -
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The idea behind the previous resets is that none of what you did during closed beta mattered. None of your actions did anything meaningful and your expenses meant nothing. This is why they did the resets during closed beta which included resetting your SP and assets as well as those meant nothing as well at the time.
But we are now in open beta and CCP specifically mentioned that as of Jan 10, 2013, every action and expense you make WILL matter from now on until the end of time. |
Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:46:00 -
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No more resets, get over it and spend wisely. |
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