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Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.27 17:50:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:This is also assuming all bullets hit
that's quite an assumption however. as the hmg is hipfire only, it almost CAN'T happen |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.01.27 17:56:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Buzzwords wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:This is also assuming all bullets hit that's quite an assumption however. as the hmg is hipfire only, it almost CAN'T happen You're not going to hit every time with the AR either, unless you're at CQC range. EDIT: Don't forget that ARs actually have a WORSE accuracy rating than the HMGs; 56-58 vs 60-62. If only half the HMG bullets hit, the HMG still has a greater damage output unless the AR is resupplying (and the AR hits 100% of the time).
but it's POSSIBLE for an AR to have perfect accuracy, you can shoulder it and fire it with very little spread. no matter how good you are with the hmg, you are FORCED to miss at least SOME % of the time.
also, the accuracy rating in the info tab is absolutely meaningless. look up laser rifles... seriously. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:08:00 -
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the bottom line is you're making your assumption based on equivalent hitrates, which is just not sound reasoning due to the nature of the gun.
we could argue over how big a difference this accuracy makes, but there's no number to put on it so we won't get anywhere. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:27:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Buzzwords wrote:the bottom line is you're making your assumption based on equivalent hitrates, which is just not sound reasoning due to the nature of the gun.
we could argue over how big a difference this accuracy makes, but there's no number to put on it so we won't get anywhere. Again, there is NO WAY for either gun to do this "perfect" damage in a 'real-world' setting. The AR can't do it, the HMG can't do it.
But the AR will be significantly CLOSER to 100% of it's potential damage in almost all situations.
Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:This is the theory part of an experiment, a calculation of the maximum (or target) output. You have to actually test things in order to see the "real" values, and you want to see them align with the theory.
The variables of range, skill and accuracy are not being tested here; just damage. To test just damage, you'd almost certainly need to be shooting, in CQC, at a very large and tough target (installations, for example)
Testing range and accuracy, and their effects on damage, is not part of this theory, and is a different beast altogether.
It is bad science to try to test out two (or more) variables in one experiment.
then you're suggesting changes to the gun while only a quarter of the "science" is in? STILL not sound reasoning? |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:30:00 -
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Rugman91 wrote:Buzzwords wrote:the bottom line is you're making your assumption based on equivalent hitrates, which is just not sound reasoning due to the nature of the gun.
we could argue over how big a difference this accuracy makes, but there's no number to put on it so we won't get anywhere. Are you saying i'm making an assumption? I've used all guns and i'm not biased. In a game like this guns are always gonna need adjusting. You really think they can just get it right the first time? Or that they should just not try because i'll never be perfect?
no, i'm talking to pheonix and didn't bother to quote her because i thought i was gonna be the next post in the thread. you kinda snuck your reply in there above me. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:38:00 -
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Vellcano wrote:Hey Phoenix,
Maybe, just maybe, you could listen to what people are saying, understand that Heavy is supposed to have insanely high damage, get over it, start being good, and then we wouldn't consistently get nerfs from crybabies like you!
the "git gud scrub" argument has never really resolved anything in the entire history of the internet -.-
it really just discredits your "side" of an argument. so yah... thanks. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.01.27 18:53:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Make up an experiment to show accuracy's effect on damage. Go ahead, I've got plenty of time to wait for you. I did the damage experiment, the least you can do is make one to support accuracy
the damage "experiment' is just basic math. i can tell you the potential dps of every gun in the game in a few minutes if i have it running in front of me.
also, shouldn't the burden of proof be on the accuser? if you want it changed, it's up to you to do the convincing.
but whatever i can lay out a framework, but i can't do it because i don't have video recording/editing equipment 
we could get a willing volunteer to hold still. center him in the HMGs sights at a given range. whatever % of the reticule he fills is the HMGs maximum POTENTIAL accuracy at that range and with that level of spinup against an enemy in that suit. Hold the trigger down until the gun overheats, and take sample screenshots from that sequence and perform the same comparison of HMG crosshairs vs targets cross section. we could then get a reasonable average potential accuracy at that given range.
could also just superimpose the image of a suit at that given range for the sake of not killing your volunteer.
i still maintain that maximum POTENTIAL accuracy for the AR (and really most/all sighted weapons) is 100%
how to test for player skill, i have no ******* clue. it might actually be reasonable to say that the HMGs "sloppy" nature makes it relatively better with lesser ability to aim. |
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