DUST Search - [Updated] Full Removal of the SP Cap

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Drommy Hood wrote:

To add to that idea slightly......

We could have two skill point counters. An attained skill points, and a Attainable skill points. That way you can see what the maximum amount of sp's you could have earned / could earn (should you put some hours in). gives you more incentive to play because you can see what you are missing, and more incentive to pay.

With no cap aurum becomes less important. at the minute we use it to give us an edge over others, or simply to catch us up. With no sp cap then some people will end up so far ahead (maxed and specialised for eg) that the ohers then have no incentive to get that extra few % aurum gives. Because having 50% the effectiveness of the top sp players might aswell be the same as being 55% the effectiveness. You get the same outcome from both, CREAMED. So no point loosing good money doing it, and no point spending aurum if you know you can win easilly without it/you already have level 5 everything anyway. Idea

Here is your tinfoil hat: You will need it.

Hokay newbies, scrubs, neckbeards and various hygeinically challenged denizens of New Eden, listen up!

SP advantage only stays an advantage for so long. Yes the puds who play 24/7 will have more SP. But there's only so many skills directly applicable to each class of dropsuit. So they will have to sprad out and diversify or quit spending SP entirely. Their advantage will be mastery of more stuff.

The equalizer of the newbie scrub is to pick a role and master it. so if you pick assault don't worry about skills irrelevant to assault until you're 100% proto. Why? because once you're there, the 24/7 scumbutt has no measurable advantage over you when you run an assault fit.

Specialization is the equalizer, you can be the master of your chosen area, and there's nothing the hardcore neckbeards can do to keep you from getting there.

Once you master even one dropsuit, you're set. You can **** off to your avatar all you want and feel happy that you can be competitive.

the imperfect who plays 16 hours a day has wanked his way to the top. doesn't stop you from being able to gank him though.

You're on his level because you specialized.

No cause that 16h per day playing dude will just change to its fully speced anti-infantry loadout and crush your face. He'll probably reach 3 very deep specialization before the regular dude reaches one.

Then you'll see corporations filled with Swiss Knife SP grinders able to do everything. Killing the heart of the game in which every corp has to balance the roles of its members.

I also LOL at the "over 2 month SP dont matter any more". It's a pathetic excuse and totally wrong. After 2 month with a cap, you may start to explore new path for your character but you'll still have to chose wisely in order to complete your characters profile so it's even more efficient with that new specialization. If it will fit your corp needs.

Also, and i'll say it once more : NEW SKILLS, NEW WEAPONS, NEW VEHICLES will enter the game. And a no-cap system will just favor the same dudes over and over and over again. They'll probably be able to afford saving SP and wait for new stuff so they can max them out the second they're added to the game. Very interesting and so much better indeed.... Roll

Any plead in favor of a loose SP growth is an obvious selfish reaction with absolutely NO OBJECTIVE view on the game's well fare and the overall community's best interest. Saying that the people who would want the cap to be removed are playing and thus not reacting on the forum is also a huge CON. I run a french corp and thus not much guys on my team come here to share their views on the debate.

Among those, i have 3 guys that probably are in the TOP 100 of the guys who played Dust 514 the most in playtime. Guess what their opinion is about cap\no cap ? Well, they WANT THE CAP.
Why ? Cause unlike many selfish prick out there, they know they would just end up being absolute death machine, do-it-all characters in less than 2 months and would lose the fun part of this game.

Tweaking how cap works. Making it harder to reach so that players able to invest more time feel rewarded. Exploring solutions so late comers can grow at a faster pace. Those are the solutions !

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SENTINEL 78 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.01.23 16:56:00 - [1] - Quote ExRDV Pilot wrote: best idea ever actually. you get sp how much you play. problem solved. there goes a comment from one of those no lifers.... lol
SENTINEL 78 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.01.23 17:14:00 - [2] - Quote ExRDV Pilot wrote: dust was never supposed to have cap afaik play more, get more SP, get more skills, progress faster. and finally all boosters work fine if you want to use thme. ANOTHER NO-LIFER in this thread !!! .... lol Board: No-lifers 2 - 99999 ppl with real life and that like playing some FPS.
SENTINEL 78 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.01.23 17:35:00 - [3] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Drommy Hood wrote: To add to that idea slightly...... We could have two skill point counters. An attained skill points, and a Attainable skill points. That way you can see what the maximum amount of sp's you could have earned / could earn (should you put some hours in). gives you more incentive to play because you can see what you are missing, and more incentive to pay. With no cap aurum becomes less important. at the minute we use it to give us an edge over others, or simply to catch us up. With no sp cap then some people will end up so far ahead (maxed and specialised for eg) that the ohers then have no incentive to get that extra few % aurum gives. Because having 50% the effectiveness of the top sp players might aswell be the same as being 55% the effectiveness. You get the same outcome from both, CREAMED. So no point loosing good money doing it, and no point spending aurum if you know you can win easilly without it/you already have level 5 everything anyway. Here is your tinfoil hat: You will need it. Hokay newbies, scrubs, neckbeards and various hygeinically challenged denizens of New Eden, listen up! SP advantage only stays an advantage for so long. Yes the puds who play 24/7 will have more SP. But there's only so many skills directly applicable to each class of dropsuit. So they will have to sprad out and diversify or quit spending SP entirely. Their advantage will be mastery of more stuff. The equalizer of the newbie scrub is to pick a role and master it. so if you pick assault don't worry about skills irrelevant to assault until you're 100% proto. Why? because once you're there, the 24/7 scumbutt has no measurable advantage over you when you run an assault fit. Specialization is the equalizer, you can be the master of your chosen area, and there's nothing the hardcore neckbeards can do to keep you from getting there. Once you master even one dropsuit, you're set. You can **** off to your avatar all you want and feel happy that you can be competitive. the imperfect who plays 16 hours a day has wanked his way to the top. doesn't stop you from being able to gank him though. You're on his level because you specialized. No cause that 16h per day playing dude will just change to its fully speced anti-infantry loadout and crush your face. He'll probably reach 3 very deep specialization before the regular dude reaches one. Then you'll see corporations filled with Swiss Knife SP grinders able to do everything. Killing the heart of the game in which every corp has to balance the roles of its members. I also LOL at the "over 2 month SP dont matter any more". It's a pathetic excuse and totally wrong. After 2 month with a cap, you may start to explore new path for your character but you'll still have to chose wisely in order to complete your characters profile so it's even more efficient with that new specialization. If it will fit your corp needs. Also, and i'll say it once more : NEW SKILLS, NEW WEAPONS, NEW VEHICLES will enter the game. And a no-cap system will just favor the same dudes over and over and over again. They'll probably be able to afford saving SP and wait for new stuff so they can max them out the second they're added to the game. Very interesting and so much better indeed.... Any plead in favor of a loose SP growth is an obvious selfish reaction with absolutely NO OBJECTIVE view on the game's well fare and the overall community's best interest. Saying that the people who would want the cap to be removed are playing and thus not reacting on the forum is also a huge CON. I run a french corp and thus not much guys on my team come here to share their views on the debate. Among those, i have 3 guys that probably are in the TOP 100 of the guys who played Dust 514 the most in playtime. Guess what their opinion is about cap\no cap ? Well, they WANT THE CAP. Why ? Cause unlike many selfish prick out there, they know they would just end up being absolute death machine, do-it-all characters in less than 2 months and would lose the fun part of this game. Tweaking how cap works. Making it harder to reach so that players able to invest more time feel rewarded. Exploring solutions so late comers can grow at a faster pace. Those are the solutions ! Man you're a poet to me... i couldn't say it any better :D cheers.
SENTINEL 78 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.01.23 18:04:00 - [4] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: fred orpaul wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: BMSTUBBY wrote: Go ahead CCP take the cap off but if it all goes wrong don't come crying to us asking for forgiveness. You see we are not EVE spaceship drivers, we are FPS's and guess what? We will have a new flavor of the month right around the corner to pick up where you failed. Do your posts ever stop being stupid? yea kinda makes me sad that hes arguing for the same thing I am. LOL You all are funny. You guys are getting all serious about a video game. Derp Derp Meh, cap or no cap its a game. Real life matters, not this fake imaginary life you two wish you lived in. Maybe one day when you two grow up and move out of Mommy and Daddy's house you will realize it. Reality check children, CCP will do what ever they want with this game. They will do whatever they feel they need to do to make $ off of you. Your self titled uber leet smart posts that you think are contributing to this argument mean no more nor less than mine. Get over yourselves and take a look in the mirror. Do you see a Dropsuit in the mirror? Nope you see a no real life uber leet failure. Get out of the house and find a real life and until you can accomplish that just stop. "Do you see a Dropsuit in the mirror?" AHAHAHAHAH..... I just loved that one.... AHAHAHAHAH