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Posted - 2013.01.22 09:01:00 -
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:25:00 -
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CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:I would like to explain the reasons on why we are testing the removal of the SP cap and keep you all better informed.
The development team has been listening intently to the tons of feedback from you guys on the skill system, in particular the current skill cap implementation.
Our original aims with the skill cap were to ensure players progressed through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players. After trying out a couple of different approaches, none of which were satisfactory, we have realized that the skill cap introduces too many other unacceptable compromises and we have decided to take a leaf out of AlexanderGÇÖs book and just cut the Gordian knot and remove the skill cap altogether. Removing the skill cap opens us up to the risk of not meeting the aims stated above, so we have tuned down reward levels a little to reduce that risk.
We believe that these changes will go a long way towards alleviating the problems that you guys have been drawing to our attention, but we will continue to listen to your feedback, monitor progression data and make further tweaks as necessary.
Finally, we are not removing the SP cap today, and will allow time for the community to speak their minds on this first.
We look forward to hearing from you!
I for one personally welcome our new Chinese SP farming overlords. But without disrespecting or making any less of our new Bot-ing SP farming overlords.
Hope you guys know the can of worms your opening........
*Double Facepalm CCP
Btw thats money you wont be seeing... Farmers and bot-ers will be. Your money... their pockets CCP. |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:16:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:I think the cap we have now would be fine with a roll over system for those that can't cap every day to catch up on days off. Increase the consolation to 1000 sp (enough to make a difference over several matches for those that play a lot) and reduce the time spent in battle to 1wp/second instead of 5wp/second.
No cap at all is just crazy. It will kill this game for players that don't have hours and hours to devote to gaming. So with this rolling cap, we talking at the end of say 7 days if you don't use whats rolled over then you lose the sp? or do you hang on to it forever? Lose the SP ideally. Even WoW has a limit of how much double EXP you can store. Lose it exaxly. This way there is this middle ground of' hey you must log into atleasts semi-regularilly' as opposed to 'hey I'll just make this char now and wait for 1 year to have ROLFLOL worth of SP to grind through.'
I feel thats a fair middle ground. The rolling sp system was always the way to go.
Like I said with a No Cap system people will end up making bots and hiring Chinese farmers to build chars for them. And all those guys who put in massive hours of their own time will end up just as pissed of as everyone else. It will just take a little longer until they realize there mistake. Dust will become a haven for sp grinding bots and farmers from china playing other peoples accounts.
I personally make good money and I have friends who play this who make good money as well. Im certain under a no cap system my buddies will just hire a Chinese farmer to play for them send them a ps3 if they need it or give them money for start up and then just let them do the grind. The best part about this game is that its a low grind skill based mmo fps with a persistent world.
and at the end of the day that is money CCP would be giving to china instead of into its own pockets to work on the game!! |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:19:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:I think the cap we have now would be fine with a roll over system for those that can't cap every day to catch up on days off. Increase the consolation to 1000 sp (enough to make a difference over several matches for those that play a lot) and reduce the time spent in battle to 1wp/second instead of 5wp/second.
No cap at all is just crazy. It will kill this game for players that don't have hours and hours to devote to gaming. So with this rolling cap, we talking at the end of say 7 days if you don't use whats rolled over then you lose the sp? or do you hang on to it forever? Lose the SP ideally. Even WoW has a limit of how much double EXP you can store. it would need to be a decent cap though imo, if we had what we did last time, like 370k or something for a week........idk I can only play to make the KDR go higher for so long....at current I cap out quick, due to not having any low reward games so if some ppl say play only 1 day per week and grind out their cap, what about us that play a lil extra now and then for the hell of it? we'll be having no reason to log in until the cap cycles again like last time, what I did anyways, once the week cap was hit well.....that was it until the next week came by 0 dust.
But the games supposed to be about corp battles, not sp grinding!! Sp should be the icing on the cake of a great fun to play competitive fps not the other way around. IMO |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:25:00 -
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Mirana Cheshire wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Mirana Cheshire wrote:I vote for the no cap limit and getting sp based on wp gained, the current wp system of course must be reevaluated
honestly why are people afraid with the no cap limit? the battlefield series does this (new players start with limited gear and you gain more the more points you gain)
are you worried the new players might catch up to those of you who started playing from day 1? THis rewarding SP directly according to WP is bad idea, due to it incentivices a WP farming. ie. logi's just revieving for the +X WP, or orgaiced groups of players doing WP farming in Skirmish by capping opbjectives in turn. By going this route, one is just incetivising to abuse the mechanics even more. But I'd like to point out that in this 7-day rolling cap thing. There is possibility that one doesen't 'keep up' with others, since it' requires one to 'grind' that SP pool down to acoomodate more SP. And this par is crusial to be in there. like I said, the current wp system must be reevaluated first about your concern about organized groups farming wp, they can just ban them like they did to bot mining in eve
I can go in eve today and buy ISK easy, I can also buy a char its a huge problem. and even wow has trouble dealing with farmers. We need to have the system keep RMT out of the game not dust staff chasing dragons you could never kill them all once it starts.
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:29:00 -
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xAckie wrote:
cool. Economics at work. Whats the problem. apparently you can do this in Eve already/.
The problem is that takes money away from CCP duh! money they could use to pay for servers and people to work on updates and new builds.
That is the problem.
Sure its economics, but its robbing paul to pay peter. CCP gets the short end of the stick on their game.
if your going that route just let players buy SP straight from CCP instead of buying it from china!
How rosy does that sound? not so great right? |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:44:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:
If anyone will accept your corp battles that is ^^ hehe
See thats the prob. Dust right now is only ambush and sp grinding nothing more. Its supposed to be fighting for planets and other corps are forced to put up or shut up and hand us the keys to every planet in the galaxy and all the money and glory that comes with that.
What we have played this beta is in no way dust. Its like if all eve was is constant ship vs ship battles in null sec space with no real reason for fighting them other then arbitrary numbers getting bigger over time.
we need to maintain perspective people! Ambush/Skirmish for SP is not dust! |
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Posted - 2013.01.22 13:03:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:I only have one question for CCP...
How do you kill, that which has no life?
PRIORITIZE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR4s4QswGS4 |
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