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HelI Jumper
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:47:00 -
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Stop listening to everyone posting on forums!! In maps half the team is either mass driving hard or running heavy suits with alternate weapons! Since the grenades were changed heavies are even harder to kill! Now you have3-4 scouts a match running with mass drivers!
MAKE MASS DRIVERS A HEAVY WEAPON AND BE DONE WITH IT. But this farming mass drivers needs to stop!!!!!
Don't tell me about skill please I'm not interested in hearing your opinion! |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:50:00 -
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HelI Jumper wrote:Stop listening to everyone posting on forums!! In maps half the team is either mass driving hard or running heavy suits with alternate weapons! Since the grenades were changed heavies are even harder to kill! Now you have3-4 scouts a match running with mass drivers!
MAKE MASS DRIVERS A HEAVY WEAPON AND BE DONE WITH IT. But this farming mass drivers needs to stop!!!!!
Don't tell me about skill please I'm not interested in hearing your opinion!
Skills skills skills skills.......sure you read it. I really have no opinion on the matter. |
HelI Jumper
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:01:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:HelI Jumper wrote:Stop listening to everyone posting on forums!! In maps half the team is either mass driving hard or running heavy suits with alternate weapons! Since the grenades were changed heavies are even harder to kill! Now you have3-4 scouts a match running with mass drivers!
MAKE MASS DRIVERS A HEAVY WEAPON AND BE DONE WITH IT. But this farming mass drivers needs to stop!!!!!
Don't tell me about skill please I'm not interested in hearing your opinion! Skills skills skills skills.......sure you read it. I really have no opinion on the matter.
Skill points sure But honestly don't be an idiot ok We have enough of those Mass drivers need to be dialed down You don't agree? I don't care you either mass drive, or haven't been killed enough by them in which saw just wait! Noob tube is literally for noobs Something you have to fix The weapon wheel is all screwed up once again |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:07:00 -
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HelI Jumper wrote: Don't tell me about skill please I'm not interested in hearing your opinion!
This line alone maked me think, you don't care how the game is, as long as its made so you can win at everything and every game.
and sounds like your just complaining because all you do is die from them. When someone dies from something over and over they think the game is unbalance. Maybe your skills is unbalanced...
I die 5;2 on average game. If I had the same mine set as you did, They would need to nerf everything and make it harder for players to kill me.
stop complaining about it and learn to counter it. |
Lochlorn423
Doomheim
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:13:00 -
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I don't see a counter to the current Mass Drivers other than running like hell. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:13:00 -
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Lady Hyuna wrote: stop complaining about it and learn to counter it.
Unfortunately the OP does make a point. If mass drivers are around so should friendly fire too. Its easy to kill the enemy just by firing at our own squad mates.
Many at time I have run into a person firing a MD at point blank range. It should have killed him too. But instead it just killed me. Friendly fire should be turned on. |
Y0UR NAME HERE
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:15:00 -
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HelI Jumper wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:HelI Jumper wrote:Stop listening to everyone posting on forums!! In maps half the team is either mass driving hard or running heavy suits with alternate weapons! Since the grenades were changed heavies are even harder to kill! Now you have3-4 scouts a match running with mass drivers!
MAKE MASS DRIVERS A HEAVY WEAPON AND BE DONE WITH IT. But this farming mass drivers needs to stop!!!!!
Don't tell me about skill please I'm not interested in hearing your opinion! Skills skills skills skills.......sure you read it. I really have no opinion on the matter. Skill points sure But honestly don't be an idiot ok We have enough of those Mass drivers need to be dialed down You don't agree? I don't care you either mass drive, or haven't been killed enough by them in which saw just wait! Noob tube is literally for noobs Something you have to fix The weapon wheel is all screwed up once again
I use laser rifle, so they get pwnd before they get the chance. I've only been killed by mass drivers twice ever ever. Because I wasn't paying attention. |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:16:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Lady Hyuna wrote: stop complaining about it and learn to counter it.
Unfortunately the OP does make a point. If mass drivers are around so should friendly fire too. Its easy to kill the enemy just by firing at our own squad mates. Many at time I have run into a person firing a MD at point blank range. It should have killed him too. But instead it just killed me. Friendly fire should be turned on.
that I will agree on, should kill you or your team mates. same with gernades... but the way he was typing, it sounded like he just had problem with massdrivers themselves, and not the splash aoe it should have. I would be up for anything aoe to be friendly fire |
HelI Jumper
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:17:00 -
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Lady Hyuna wrote:HelI Jumper wrote: Don't tell me about skill please I'm not interested in hearing your opinion! This line alone maked me think, you don't care how the game is, as long as its made so you can win at everything and every game. and sounds like your just complaining because all you do is die from them. When someone dies from something over and over they think the game is unbalance. Maybe your skills is unbalanced... I die 5;2 on average game. If I had the same mine set as you did, They would need to nerf everything and make it harder for players to kill me. stop complaining about it and learn to counter it.
Ouch I do care I'm saying this The devs are listening to the noobs complaining Now mass drivers are sweetly over powered I don't care about dying Its gonna happen now matter how good you think you are someone is always up to the task! But being literally bulldozed game after game by mass drivers takes a toll! It feels like the AR is a BB gun now! It would be nice to see mass drivers as a heavy weapon only That's all Keep the power and damage and spread But put it as a heavy!
Even better just make sure the person firing also dies when he fired it point blank cause honestly when a MD takes out 360 shields from me but can't take out 99 from te scout shooting there is something wrong
It's hard to counter when you have 2 scouts with mass drivers jumping 5feet in the air over and over Lol come on you know you're screwed!! |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:18:00 -
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Lady Hyuna wrote: that I will agree on, should kill you or your team mates. same with gernades... but the way he was typing, it sounded like he just had problem with massdrivers themselves, and not the splash aoe it should have. I would be up for anything aoe to be friendly fire
This +1 |
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Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:18:00 -
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Lochlorn423 wrote:I don't see a counter to the current Mass Drivers other than running like hell.
running is a counter:) Best way to counter them I think is, get them before they see you... Snipers, laser rifles, or shooting long distance. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:19:00 -
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HelI Jumper wrote: It's hard to counter when you have 2 scouts with mass drivers jumping 5feet in the air over and over Lol come on you know you're screwed!!
2 words. Militia Shotgun |
Lady Hyuna
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:20:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:HelI Jumper wrote: It's hard to counter when you have 2 scouts with mass drivers jumping 5feet in the air over and over Lol come on you know you're screwed!!
2 words. Militia Shotgun
lol that too, shot guns are devistating up close. |
HelI Jumper
UnReaL.
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:26:00 -
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Those are fun |
Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:39:00 -
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Shield Tanking |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2049
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:52:00 -
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So your mad because CCP listened to the almost unanimous decision that grenades needed a longer fuse? |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:28:00 -
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I don't know what match type, or TZ you're running but that distribution does not resemble what I get in matches. The most common configuration I encounter is the GEK on an Assault. (Note here: thanks CCP for the AR re-balance the diversity of weapon types is much closer to parity now and provides a much improved play experience). |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:33:00 -
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Get to the high ground. MDs are garbage at hitting stuff above you. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.21 22:13:00 -
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HelI Jumper wrote:Stop listening to everyone posting on forums!! In maps half the team is either mass driving hard or running heavy suits with alternate weapons! Since the grenades were changed heavies are even harder to kill! Now you have3-4 scouts a match running with mass drivers!
MAKE MASS DRIVERS A HEAVY WEAPON AND BE DONE WITH IT. But this farming mass drivers needs to stop!!!!!
Don't tell me about skill please I'm not interested in hearing your opinion!
Everyone point at the silly OP and laugh children.
Now once you're done, take your bottles and collect the flood of tears from the ground and we'll use them to season our dinner tonight. |
Takron Nistrom
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:02:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Lady Hyuna wrote: stop complaining about it and learn to counter it.
Unfortunately the OP does make a point. If mass drivers are around so should friendly fire too. Its easy to kill the enemy just by firing at our own squad mates. Many at time I have run into a person firing a MD at point blank range. It should have killed him too. But instead it just killed me. Friendly fire should be turned on.
You are mistaken sir. I've killed myself a plenty using the MD. Research before posting is key. |
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Hunter Junko
WARRIORS 1NC
45
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:04:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:HelI Jumper wrote:Stop listening to everyone posting on forums!! In maps half the team is either mass driving hard or running heavy suits with alternate weapons! Since the grenades were changed heavies are even harder to kill! Now you have3-4 scouts a match running with mass drivers!
MAKE MASS DRIVERS A HEAVY WEAPON AND BE DONE WITH IT. But this farming mass drivers needs to stop!!!!!
Don't tell me about skill please I'm not interested in hearing your opinion! Everyone point at the silly OP and laugh children. Now once you're done, take your bottles and collect the flood of tears from the ground and we'll use them to season our dinner tonight.
Roasted QQ?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:10:00 -
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Copy/paste:
An assault rifle contains more damage per magazine than a mass driver, and is way easier to use since it just shoots exactly where you point without having to predict paths. A basic variant standard assault rifle (which does 31 damage per shot) for example has 387.5 damage PER SECOND, which means in 2 SECONDS, it does 775 damage, enough to kill basically anyone but a well built heavy (which would just a second more second). The assault rifle can be used effectively at a greater ranges, and has no risk of damaging the user at close range.
Compare this to a basic variant standard mass diver. An MD fires 60 rounds per minute, which is 1 round per second. It does 225 shots per second if its a direct hit; did you read that? only 225 per second, and that is ONLY if you get a direct hit (rare). The basic variant standard AR does 387.5. Landing a direct hit with a mass driver not only takes more skill to do then getting direct hits with the AR (since you have to predict trajectory), but also does LESS damage per second. Now to the splash damage, the splash damage is 115 per shot (and per second since 1 shot per second), and that is usually all you will get since direct hits are rare. 387.5 > 225 387.5 > 115
In exchange for the higher difficulty to use, less damage per magazine (1350 < 1860) , and the crappy DPS compared to the AR, the mass driver gets to bypass cover, and damage multiple enemies with splash damage. Its a fair trade-off.
I don't get how people can say the mass driver is OP, OP compared to what exactly? Weapons of the same class (light, heavy, sidearm) have to be compared to each other and balanced against each other so that they all have their roles and uses, yet no one can make an argument with math and stats of the mass driver compared to the AR to suggest that the MD is overpowered (I pick AR since its the most used light weapon). It really really bothers me that people whine and complain about the MD, or any other light weapon that cones close to being as good or useful as the AR, the AR isn't suppose to be the only good weapon. People like this really pi$$ me off, and if you are reading this and you're one of these people that want to ruin the MD and turn it into a crappy novelty again, then screw you and go do some math. |
NORIC verIV
DUST University Ivy League
34
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:15:00 -
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MD are in a good spot.
The big bangs just scare people and they run and hide instead of keep their cool and shoot the MD user. |
Hunter Junko
WARRIORS 1NC
45
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:36:00 -
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Not to hijack the thread, but wouldn't it be easier to add friendly fire to all explosive based weapons? that way MD's/ nades, forge guns, swarms, plasma cannons etc can still do their damage when used correctly, but any careless shots could potentially damage our allies health? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:40:00 -
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Hunter Junko wrote:Not to hijack the thread, but wouldn't it be easier to add friendly fire to all explosive based weapons? that way MD's/ nades, forge guns, swarms, plasma cannons etc can still do their damage when used correctly, but any careless shots could potentially damage our allies health? Yessss |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.22 00:29:00 -
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friendly fire is planned for nullsec interaction, possibly for lowsec/faction warfare.
Right now we're testing Easy Mode. |
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