I wonder if it is tied to Friendly Fire being disabled?

Grenades and explosives will give you the "committed suicide" death banner. But the grenade launching MD does not. Just a thought. If they ever turn FF on and the Scouts all switch to Shotty we would have our answer.

The best way to kill a mass driver using logi is to run straight at them. Either I kill us both by shooting at you or I remember that I can just smack you over the head with my weapon. Before the reset I trained up Hand to Hand combat and managed quite a few close range kills that way.

QQ'ing about the mass driver b/c it gives no splash damage to the owner when fired at point blank range, ive seen it on a logi, a heavy, and now a scout, and thats beyond stupid if a scout can survive that. if the barrel of my gun can prod your spleen and you fire that thing and im the only one who dies is straight BS.

Clearly you've never seen Gunner Nightingale has committed suicide in the killfeed. The radius on the MD is 4.0 on STD 4.4 on ADV and 4.8 on PRO.

The splash damage in these weapons is in the low 100's so yea we are going to survive splash damage especially since we tend to fire the shot behind you instead of in front. If we do fire in front its to land a direct hit.

So sorry you are just mistaken.

+1 massdriver needs less splash and the owner should take damage if in the killzone. main reason we need friendly fire on...u can sit back and watch mass driver spammers kill their whole team.

+1 massdriver needs less splash and the owner should take damage if in the killzone. main reason we need friendly fire on...u can sit back and watch mass driver spammers kill their whole team.

I've accidentally suicided by bouncing a round off a nearby structure when firing on another player trying to track them, so it can definitely hurt you. There is very little splash damage on these things though, at least on certain models with low skills.

I can personally vouch for the fact that a shot from a Mass Driver that doesn't hit the target directly, very rarely causes damage at all, and if it does it is usually minor. That's even considering hitting the ground at there feet, which I have tried on numerous occasions with little or no success.

No it doesnt need less splash, at all the radius on them is small enough and damage wise they are just fine, If they become any smaller the MD becomes nothing but another close range noob tube with no utility as mid-long range suppression weapon. I do agree about friendly fire though that something that would hopefully cut down not only MD spam but nade spam as well.

Also the assualt variants have a small splash damage larger radius and it works just fine becaue it has a larger clip. The breach which is already pretty useless would become even more so if splash damage was nerfed because they wont just nerf one variant and not touch the others.

The owner does take damage in the splash zone, keep in mind most shots place behind you, be glad that round often appear to go right through players and impact on the ground behind them when it should have been a direct hit. Given the size of the round i know there a ton of times i had a direct hit just float right over the top of the head or through the legs.

There's little splash damage on yourself largely because you're rarely at the center of the explosion, so there's some amount of falloff already being applied and you're not taking the full splash value that you might cause to enemies.



Not to sound mean, but you're not very good with the weapon if you're having trouble hitting people with splash. Either that, or you've got an excessively laggy connection. It's rare that a shot that should splash an enemy ends up not doing it, lolterrain explosion-blocking nonsense aside.

No, that is literally dropping one right at their feet, though maybe a few feet behind them or next to them depending on how much jumping and dancing they're doing.

The only "tweak" the mass driver needs is a reload after the second the grenade. Buffing the splash damage so it'll be much easier to kill while missing is absurd.

It wouldn't make it useless, it would require skill to kill enemies. Instead of just a grenade spamming weapon...which is all that it is. A much slower rate of fire would suffice but it would have to be noticeable.

Guys that knows the MD weaknesses, know how to exploit it. Everytime that grenade splashes on you...it totally throws your aim off if you're using an AR. Maybe if it didn't do that, it wouldn't be so bad. But right now, if you scope, it will throw it off. You have to hip fire to aim and many times, those guys keep their distance

Okay how much you want to reduce the splash damage by. 50HP? Really is that going to help, i mean the exo-5 does 126.5 and the freedom does 138. The radius is 4.4 and 4.8 respectively yes when i get full weaponry and proficiency it will be beast but by then people will have proto weapons and these are adv/proto MD's the std MD sucks its why so many ppl use tsunami or skill up to exo.

also the damage is proportional and and doesnt do the full hp damage if you're at the edge of the blast. If you want to reduce the damage anywhere that kind of level than i want a clip size of 12 and max ammo size of 30-40.

If you think placing a round within 4-5m radius of a person while accounting for player movement, and distance and angle constitutes a "miss" then it really makes it difficult to have a discussion on this.

Direct hits almost if ever happen at range but in close range they can happen and do happen, lets not forget that i have to fire rounds in a cycle while people are returning continous fire at me.

Yes impact recoil sucks if they reduced it a bit fine maybe that will make it easier for ppl to stand up to a MD user.

Massholes are the bullies of the battlefield we come up steal your lunch money and wedgie you with little regard for your feelings.

This notion of "skill" with MD use maybe applies in CQC combat where splash damage kills faster than it should but again no other weapon requires one to account for pitch angle, horizontal/vertical movement and time to reach target from x distance at range.

I've killed myself with my mass driver several times, IF YOU DON'T BELIVE US GET A MASS DRIVER AND SHOOT AT YOUR FEET BEFORE CRYING ON THE FORUMS.

It wouldn't make it useless, it would require skill to kill enemies. Instead of just a grenade spamming weapon...which is all that it is. A much slower rate of fire would suffice but it would have to be noticeable.

Guys that knows the MD weaknesses, know how to exploit it. Everytime that grenade splashes on you...it totally throws your aim off if you're using an AR. Maybe if it didn't do that, it wouldn't be so bad. But right now, if you scope, it will throw it off. You have to hip fire to aim and many times, those guys keep their distance

Yeah, and what I'm saying is I've been using the mass driver as my primary weapon for quite a while now, and I've experienced probably a 95+% success rate with rounds I know should hit with splash damage actually hitting with splash damage. It's not a rare occurrence to splash unless you're using the breach variant.

The only "tweak" the mass driver needs is a reload after the second the grenade. Buffing the splash damage so it'll be much easier to kill while missing is absurd.