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Deveshi
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.01.20 14:29:00 -
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Can I request an observation mode for all battle types. This means that any battle that it currently taking place can be joined by an observer.
Whilst in observer mode you will be able to see the real time overview map at its current resolution (not all that helpful for giving away intel) as well as being able to see the score board.
During observer mode there would be not other forms of interaction. The observer cannot deploy and cannot communicate with troops on the ground whilst in this mode.
The reason for this request is more so for Eve players. As I have an Dust account I would like to see the fruits of my investments as they take place on the battlefield but more importantly this will give me an opportunity to stream live video footage of dust battles from an observers point of view to a website (once this is allowed by the NDA of course) so that my other Eve partners who do not have access to Dust can see the developments of their investments as they happen on the ground. In the future, it would be nice to actually allow this on the eve client directly so Eve players can view the matches themselves without the need of an external browser.
I think this would be a huge step in the right direction in progressing the link between Eve and dust as it will make the link far more visual for Eve players and will allow them to relate to Dust mercs on a much more personal level. |
Noraa Anderson
Nox Aeterna Security
184
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Posted - 2013.01.20 14:49:00 -
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I think that it would be a very useful thing for EVE players if they could bring up the overhead map in their game. Possibly they could also get a Ghost Recon: AW style Headcam stream so they can actually see what Dust mercs see. |
Deveshi
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.01.20 14:52:00 -
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Noraa Anderson wrote:I think that it would be a very useful thing for EVE players if they could bring up the overhead map in their game. Possibly they could also get a Ghost Recon: AW style Headcam stream so they can actually see what Dust mercs see.
Live streams from Dust mercs head cams onto Eve clients? This pleases me, this pleases me alot.
+1 |
Deveshi
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.01.20 14:53:00 -
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Deveshi wrote:Noraa Anderson wrote:I think that it would be a very useful thing for EVE players if they could bring up the overhead map in their game. Possibly they could also get a Ghost Recon: AW style Headcam stream so they can actually see what Dust mercs see. Live streams from Dust mercs head cams onto Eve clients? This pleases me, this pleases me alot. +1
That would definately be a next step towards nextgen gaming. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
634
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Posted - 2013.01.20 16:39:00 -
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Anything like this should not happen in real-time, because as much as you prevent it from happening in-game, there's nothing stopping people from giving that intel through another means (especially considering a lot of people use teamspeak or another out-of-game voice program).
Would be neat if EVE players could receive recordings of games for each contract they put up, though, to see how their investments performed. |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
349
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Posted - 2013.01.20 16:45:00 -
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My opinion:
Observers get put to the MCC, the Holo desk shows live updates of the game,with player and enemy chevrons on the map - objects and installations are also shown. player can select a chevron to view the first person mode of the player they are looking at - the player on the ground is notified how many are viewing them.
person in the MCC can add this person to their contacts list.
Eve players get the same, but the data is sent to a battle table in their walking area (what ever that is)
Kill field can be displayed on the table. |
Terry Webber
Gothic Wars Consortium
35
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Posted - 2013.01.20 18:00:00 -
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Noraa Anderson wrote:I think that it would be a very useful thing for EVE players if they could bring up the overhead map in their game. Possibly they could also get a Ghost Recon: AW style Headcam stream so they can actually see what Dust mercs see.
+1 for this. If this is possible in the near future, it would get EVE players more invested to use DUST mercs. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
17
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:40:00 -
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Not a bad idea but I agree with Tiel syysch it should be footage after the game but not during |
Noraa Anderson
Nox Aeterna Security
184
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:53:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:Not a bad idea but I agree with Tiel syysch it should be footage after the game but not during
If they added fog of war in the overhead view then EVE players could pretty much only see whatever their mercs would be able to.
But for general purposes it would either have to be randomly selected pub matches that can be observed or just pre-recorded battles. |
Odiain Suliis
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
112
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:49:00 -
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In one of the podcast interviews,can't remember if it was Podside or some else, one CCP dev has said that they currently have somekind of spectator mode capability, but it's not so refined and functional that they wan't to release it to players.
And things to consider with this spectator mode is that this thing opens up alot of 'ghosting' opportunities to players. Even if voice comms would be disabled in game, one just could hop into OOG TS3 or Mumble server and provide info that way. Which in it self makes certain player groups a good bit of advantage. |
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Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
191
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Posted - 2013.01.20 22:04:00 -
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How TO abuse this mechanic: 1) get a laptop 2) join your corp/friends Teamspeak 3) enter observation mode in a match with your friends/corp 4) give info to you friends/corp |
Deveshi
WarRavens
144
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Posted - 2013.01.20 22:50:00 -
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fair enough, i get the whole spy on you from above thing might be 'cheating'. But honestly, think of what the game mechanics are here. We have a highly advanced ship in space above you on your side and you are suggesting that this ship has either no communications with the guys on the ground or they dont have windows...
Given the link between dust and Eve ccp want to achieve i think the thing you are worried about is inevitable. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
675
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Posted - 2013.01.20 22:54:00 -
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Deveshi wrote:Can I request an observation mode for all battle types. This means that any battle that it currently taking place can be joined by an observer.
Whilst in observer mode you will be able to see the real time overview map at its current resolution (not all that helpful for giving away intel) as well as being able to see the score board.
During observer mode there would be not other forms of interaction. The observer cannot deploy and cannot communicate with troops on the ground whilst in this mode.
The reason for this request is more so for Eve players. As I have an Dust account I would like to see the fruits of my investments as they take place on the battlefield but more importantly this will give me an opportunity to stream live video footage of dust battles from an observers point of view to a website (once this is allowed by the NDA of course) so that my other Eve partners who do not have access to Dust can see the developments of their investments as they happen on the ground. In the future, it would be nice to actually allow this on the eve client directly so Eve players can view the matches themselves without the need of an external browser.
I think this would be a huge step in the right direction in progressing the link between Eve and dust as it will make the link far more visual for Eve players and will allow them to relate to Dust mercs on a much more personal level.
dus-t-EVE-e |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
116
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Posted - 2013.01.20 23:30:00 -
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Ghosting has been a problem in games that have done this in the past. However, I am totally for the recording of matches so they can be viewed by people afterwards. |
Deveshi
WarRavens
144
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Posted - 2013.01.21 05:43:00 -
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Would ghosting really be an issue with the fog-of-war suggestion?
And as already mentioned, spaceships do have windows.... You may need to accept it as a new game mechanic. This is not COD, Mag or BF and you do have people in orbit above you. I would like to put emphasis on that... the Eve player is there. In the same system, at the same planet, only a few km above your head, risking their xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx ISK ship to orbital strike for you.
To suggest that the Eve player cannot see what is happening on the ground when they have windows, the best sensors money can buy and radio communications (radar?!?!) is a bit silly don't you think? |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2013.01.21 06:01:00 -
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I will be live streaming DUST when NDA lifts on twitch
Ghosting wouldn't be to bad of a problem imo. We don't have the option to join other players that are in game already.
As for streaming it into EVE would be awesome, it'd be smart to delay it by quite a bit so any intel wouldn't even be useable.
Dolly Cams that are set up in different areas to see it from a different point of view. Would be amazing video material. |
0 Try Harder
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
116
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Posted - 2013.01.21 06:31:00 -
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Deveshi wrote:To suggest that the Eve player cannot see what is happening on the ground when they have windows, the best sensors money can buy and radio communications (radar?!?!) is a bit silly don't you think?
I'm sure they have jammers or something like that.
And this is a game. It's not realistic. It's fun. Allowing sides to cheat with ghosting does not make a fun fps game. Maybe it would be fun for Eve players, but I believe CCP is trying to expand their player base and get fpsers addicted :p .
It's been said a couple of times, but having real time viewing would kill lots of strategy. Having cod style after action video would be cool though. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:16:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:How TO abuse this mechanic: 1) get a laptop 2) join your corp/friends Teamspeak 3) enter observation mode in a match with your friends/corp 4) give info to you friends/corp How ELSE to abuse this mechanic. 1) Get a second PS3. 2) Set up an alt account on observation mode to watch what the enemy team does, and report it to your team using in-game voice comms.
And another one:
1) Buy UVTs. 2) Use in-game voice to talk with someone NOT in the battle who's watching the battle on observation mode while in a private UVT-enabled comm channel. |
Noraa Anderson
Nox Aeterna Security
184
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Posted - 2013.01.21 09:27:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:I will be live streaming DUST when NDA lifts on twitch Ghosting wouldn't be to bad of a problem imo. We don't have the option to join other players that are in game already. As for streaming it into EVE would be awesome, it'd be smart to delay it by quite a bit so any intel wouldn't even be useable. Dolly Cams that are set up in different areas to see it from a different point of view. Would be amazing video material.
Oh yeah I could totally see them having cams when that arena mode is released for EVE/Dust players to bet over matches. It would be really cool if they implemented cams in a way then that it broadcasts like a TV sport show. I hope devs have plans for something like helmet cams and dolly cams.
On the current topic, even with fog-of-war EVE players could still spy by having a player or alt on their opponent's side of the battle I guess, or something like that. I'm guessing CCP wants a similar idea in the game and that's why they're refining the spectator mode in order to prevent unwanted surveillance. They understand the absurd, yet justified, lengths their playerbase will reach in order to get an upperhand especially when billions of ISK and more are on the line. |
Deveshi
WarRavens
144
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:41:00 -
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Open beta bump |
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Gunner Needed
The Southern Legion
111
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:35:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Anything like this should not happen in real-time, because as much as you prevent it from happening in-game, there's nothing stopping people from giving that intel through another means (especially considering a lot of people use teamspeak or another out-of-game voice program).
Would be neat if EVE players could receive recordings of games for each contract they put up, though, to see how their investments performed.
I don't see how this would be anymore affective than a sniper on coms |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:53:00 -
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I observer mode allowed you to see from the pov of a player it would give no intel the player couldn't give. It would have to require permission to view from the player the pov is from.
Maybe something like a squad that people not in battle can be invited to for dust obsevers, and the eve player that payed for contract could see through the pov of any merc he hired. |
Deveshi
WarRavens
144
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Posted - 2013.01.25 07:27:00 -
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Whats to stop 1 person on the team just opening the map to give intel to the rest of the team anyway? Ghosting already exists in Dust and is done by mercs on the ground. Allowing it for eve player would not make ghosting any more of a problem than it already is... |
Ulysses Knapse
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
73
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Posted - 2013.01.25 10:50:00 -
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I think one way would be to make a telescope module (for starships) that lets capsuleers 'see' the district in high-detail. They wouldn't be told which team is which, however, as it is only a visual telescope. They could be in touch with an MCC commander, reporting movements and such. With good communication and a sharp eye, this could make for a valuable intelligence tool. It would be similar to the overview that infantry have, but with closer zoom, and without TacNet. Cloaking would interfere with the sensitive telescopic sensors, preventing them from working while hidden. This wouldn't be "ghosting" in the traditional sense, as it would require the watchful capsuleer to be in space where they could be shot down. A traditional observer mode could be made less exploitable by making it one-sided and requiring the commander to 'invite' someone into the intelligence frequency, thereby allowing a commander to deny such intelligence to those untrusted. |
Deveshi
WarRavens
144
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Posted - 2013.01.26 16:10:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:I think one way would be to make a telescope module (for starships) that lets capsuleers 'see' the district in high-detail. They wouldn't be told which team is which, however, as it is only a visual telescope. They could be in touch with an MCC commander, reporting movements and such. With good communication and a sharp eye, this could make for a valuable intelligence tool. It would be similar to the overview that infantry have, but with closer zoom, and without TacNet. Cloaking would interfere with the sensitive telescopic sensors, preventing them from working while hidden. This wouldn't be "ghosting" in the traditional sense, as it would require the watchful capsuleer to be in space where they could be shot down. A traditional observer mode could be made less exploitable by making it one-sided and requiring the commander to 'invite' someone into the intelligence frequency, thereby allowing a commander to deny such intelligence to those untrusted.
I love it.
One request I would add to this would be to atleast allow for Eve players to see which colour team owns which objectives in a skirmish match etc. But I can definately see the value in not showing which team a unit is on as it promotes communication and adds a new dynamic to the game guessing who is who based on movements.
+1 |
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