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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

charlesnette dalari wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

charlesnette dalari wrote:

Gunner Nightingale wrote:

No by all means lets keep the nadefest going, or lets keep lazers just they way they are. Everything has a hard counter for eveything sniff sniff leave my crutch alone whah. Sorry these things are unbalanced with regards to current gameplay and utility, numerous threads have been written with regards to the vaildity of these opinions with good reason and data.

Hard counters and adapt or die is all that can be answered in response because there isnt an intelligent counter response that can polish the turd that is those two things.

here is your intelligent counter response you were looking for

grenades --- dont get so close
lasers --- dont get so far away

or maybe try a laser against the grenadier... wow a weapon that performs its best outside the effective range of what you are pitting it against.
balance achieved through using brains/tactics rather than programming.

i want the weapons and dropsuits back pre-nerf. stuff is becoming so BALANCED its BORING.

i can achieve my own balancing with tactics and teamwork or by using that OP weapon myself and it will be more fun than all weapons being equal

What you're saying may sound like it makes sense but it isn't practical. You're telling people not to get close...well, if everyone is spamming grenades how are we supposed to cap objectives. Not to mention, people spawning all around you...Or, worst yet, these new maps encasing all of the letters together in close quarter combat.

Plus, on manus peak.....you're saying don't stay too far away from lasers lol. When the person with the laser is making sure that he is far away from everyone. You will not be able to close the gap between you two in order to kill him. You will have to run away and try another route. Or, hope that someone draws his attention away from you hiding behind cover because he has you pinned.

Am I asking for a nerf for grenades or lasers....no. But don't post "counters" like those as if they were that simple.

the funny thing here is you are saying my suggestions are not practical and yet you in your second paragraph lay out some excellent tactics for dealing with lasers that dont involve a nerf.

thing is that those tactics would require forethought and teamwork. unfortunately most of the whiners asking for nerfs would rather have rock paper scissors but they want the rocks and scissors made of the same material as the paper so they can not have to think or work together.

well not me i want rock made of rock and scissors made of steel and paper made of paper.

Running and hiding aren't "excellent tactics". Neither is hoping that you have competent bluedots or meathshields. Running and hiding may help keep you alive but it isn't a counter for laser users. You won't be able to kill them by hiding or hoping someone else does

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Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 215	Posted - 2013.01.19 22:05:00 - [31] - Quote 4 letter map, team hold C, D and CRU, LR's at table top and perhaps we'll add 2 more around the towers and roof. Can we beat this with tactics of course, does that mean that the LR isnt doing damage faster and deadlier than it should no. Am i forced to engage an enemy in CQC if i want to capture C or D or well anything that requires a hack YES. Go ahead capture C clear out every player from a distance because its so WIDE OPEN with CLEAR LOS everywhere right? Oh i know i should have gotten out my LR and spammed them inside the building forcing them out, or sniper fire and pin them down but then wait i need to sweep them up hmmm i know i'll use hmgs and ARs, oh darn they went under the pipe, oh wow looks like they swept around the trucks and oh wait is that a nade thrown from the trucks at C to the top of the table top or to the supply depot in front of B, better get behind that wall, oh wait more nades. Sigh, this btw isnt even an annoyance or something i need to QQ over. I can handle it just fine, SMH that you ASSUME that I die a lot from LR's or Nades and that's why i complain, i must die from MD's and flux too a lot since ive made suggestion on those weapons(oh wait i use those...derp). Man getting one hitted by the snipers is a real pain nerf snipers i must have said that oh wait i didnt since they can kill me unless its specced up sniper rifle even then most cant. Yes use tactics get good scrub i must do these things im such a terrible player i have so much bias against things that kill me i have absolutely no way of removing cognitive/association/lead time bias from my analytical assessment of weapons that i both use and have used against me. Yes by all mean tell me that its the choices i make that puts me in danger of a particular tactic as if i didnt already know that. Wow how could i be so ignorant please forgive me i had no idea i was such a putz. Yes nevermind that everybody has access to this (nades) and it can be volleyed with furious thunder sure why not because thats the game we all want when in trouble just press a button and you are safe, no thinking no tactics just push a button and you will be safe.(sounds eerily the antithesis of an argument i just read.) Oh but wait all your evidence is proof why LR's are fine there is so much cover you're just a scrub who get caught out in the open too much get better loser. Yes but lets ignore that LR's can damage so fast and that the damage potential only increases with time that object recognition sucks and even when behind cover it can still manage to do damage, lets not also forget that they 100% accuracy, very large clips(sorry this isnt a limitation to the heat damage argument), can be swept like a beam with ZERO EFFORT, And after roughly 3s of activation can melt heavies with a single stroke. Is the weaspon good at what it does sure is the weapon counterable sure, is the weapon unbalanced(NOT OP) absolutely. Can snipers kill them YES/NO as mention from previous reasons why snipers arent a threat. Just to wrap this up here are things ive been killed by that i have not complained about or asked for nerfs SMG AR MD Sniper FG TANKS FUSED LOCUS NADES SL AV nades Shotty(screw you calamity jane) Scrambler(screw you Bonney) Nova Knifes(once and only once) LAV's Turrets Glad we could clear that up mkay. Next time you make assumptions remember the cliche when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:48:00 - [32] - Quote charlesnette dalari wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: charlesnette dalari wrote: Gunner Nightingale wrote: No by all means lets keep the nadefest going, or lets keep lazers just they way they are. Everything has a hard counter for eveything sniff sniff leave my crutch alone whah. Sorry these things are unbalanced with regards to current gameplay and utility, numerous threads have been written with regards to the vaildity of these opinions with good reason and data. Hard counters and adapt or die is all that can be answered in response because there isnt an intelligent counter response that can polish the turd that is those two things. here is your intelligent counter response you were looking for grenades --- dont get so close lasers --- dont get so far away or maybe try a laser against the grenadier... wow a weapon that performs its best outside the effective range of what you are pitting it against. balance achieved through using brains/tactics rather than programming. i want the weapons and dropsuits back pre-nerf. stuff is becoming so BALANCED its BORING. i can achieve my own balancing with tactics and teamwork or by using that OP weapon myself and it will be more fun than all weapons being equal What you're saying may sound like it makes sense but it isn't practical. You're telling people not to get close...well, if everyone is spamming grenades how are we supposed to cap objectives. Not to mention, people spawning all around you...Or, worst yet, these new maps encasing all of the letters together in close quarter combat. Plus, on manus peak.....you're saying don't stay too far away from lasers lol. When the person with the laser is making sure that he is far away from everyone. You will not be able to close the gap between you two in order to kill him. You will have to run away and try another route. Or, hope that someone draws his attention away from you hiding behind cover because he has you pinned. Am I asking for a nerf for grenades or lasers....no. But don't post "counters" like those as if they were that simple. the funny thing here is you are saying my suggestions are not practical and yet you in your second paragraph lay out some excellent tactics for dealing with lasers that dont involve a nerf. thing is that those tactics would require forethought and teamwork. unfortunately most of the whiners asking for nerfs would rather have rock paper scissors but they want the rocks and scissors made of the same material as the paper so they can not have to think or work together. well not me i want rock made of rock and scissors made of steel and paper made of paper. Running and hiding aren't "excellent tactics". Neither is hoping that you have competent bluedots or meathshields. Running and hiding may help keep you alive but it isn't a counter for laser users. You won't be able to kill them by hiding or hoping someone else does
VirtualxBucaneer ROGUE SPADES 44	Posted - 2013.01.20 02:43:00 - [33] - Quote Lol, acting immature OP. Can't wait to see the new wave of kiddies whining in the forums when open beta comes out.
Dr Debo Galaxy GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 189	Posted - 2013.01.20 03:13:00 - [34] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Dr Debo Galaxy wrote: So, how bout them Bears? eff the BEARS. DDDDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA bears da bears da bears da bears dddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bears da bears da bears da bears. (dancing in a coconut bra and hoolla skirt)
Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 43	Posted - 2013.01.20 05:45:00 - [35] - Quote To the OP: I can tell that you don't want Dust to be nerfed to gaming hell, but you don't have to go about dropping names in an insulting manner to get your point across, it just doesn't work that well. CCP, might I make a personal request: please make Dust the awesome game that you want it to become. Ignore the players that will cry 'fail' for every aspect of the game without giving a valid reason. Instead, listen to the ones who do give concise and intelligent feedback on what should be fixed and how to fix it. Infact, here is some good feedback right now: see if you can get those grenades balanced out a bit to where they are not so obscenely devasting. Granted, it is possible to avoid them at times as I have stated in the past, usually through ranged combat and indicator awareness. But when players use the grenade button is used as a panic button to kill enemies at close to medium range before being killed and finding consistent success with it, even when they should have died anyways, one would think that the grenades need a slight tweak to balance things out slightly. Perhaps making the detonation timer four seconds instead of two would suffice, as it gives would-be victims time to run away from the potato masher of future. The damage could be kept if this works, as it might not matter that much if the enemies can run away from the blast radius, forcing grenade users to use timing with their throws. Speaking of the blast radius, I do not know if that should be tweaked as well, as I am not knowledgable on that subject at all. What is it with me and long posts? lol
empty souls Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 3	Posted - 2013.01.20 09:43:00 - [36] - Quote I dont say much on here because of these mindless blueberries..I agree with ydubbs and protoman on what their saying...The game has become way unbalanced in the terms of it makes no sense...I see blue dots and red dots sniping a few feet from each other...Ive noticed blueberries just standing in one spot not doing nothing..So theres just a few of us taking on a whole team with heavies/Md/Lasers and Tanks ...An before you going running ur chops...I play a lot by myself to just watch and see...An its very sad what this game has become ..Theres no balance in weapons or suits...Everyone isnt suppose to be the same ...If my stuff is better than yours its your fault for not putting your sp into what I have but you rather have ccp nerf it to make fair...And thats just garbage...Its smells awful...So stop whining for everything to be balanced cause its more unbalanced now more than ever...An dont get me started with this guy on tactics...Its like really little guy your for real you must be joking cause what are you looking at out there..what a joke.....
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2013.01.20 09:52:00 - [37] - Quote new hulk wrote: I'm serious about this post and someone told me to calm down that next build the heavies are getting buffed lol run. Imps run. If they buff heavies my faith in ccp will be renewed, Im tired of the slowest suit on the feild being as scary as a manatee. For fucks sake I would rather see a heavy with any weapon then an assualt suit cause I know I can stomp the **** out of it(wte of exmaple thwt dude scares me god forbid he ever goes assault).
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2013.01.20 09:58:00 - [38] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: charlesnette dalari wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: charlesnette dalari wrote: Gunner Nightingale wrote: No by all means lets keep the nadefest going, or lets keep lazers just they way they are. Everything has a hard counter for eveything sniff sniff leave my crutch alone whah. Sorry these things are unbalanced with regards to current gameplay and utility, numerous threads have been written with regards to the vaildity of these opinions with good reason and data. Hard counters and adapt or die is all that can be answered in response because there isnt an intelligent counter response that can polish the turd that is those two things. here is your intelligent counter response you were looking for grenades --- dont get so close lasers --- dont get so far away or maybe try a laser against the grenadier... wow a weapon that performs its best outside the effective range of what you are pitting it against. balance achieved through using brains/tactics rather than programming. i want the weapons and dropsuits back pre-nerf. stuff is becoming so BALANCED its BORING. i can achieve my own balancing with tactics and teamwork or by using that OP weapon myself and it will be more fun than all weapons being equal What you're saying may sound like it makes sense but it isn't practical. You're telling people not to get close...well, if everyone is spamming grenades how are we supposed to cap objectives. Not to mention, people spawning all around you...Or, worst yet, these new maps encasing all of the letters together in close quarter combat. Plus, on manus peak.....you're saying don't stay too far away from lasers lol. When the person with the laser is making sure that he is far away from everyone. You will not be able to close the gap between you two in order to kill him. You will have to run away and try another route. Or, hope that someone draws his attention away from you hiding behind cover because he has you pinned. Am I asking for a nerf for grenades or lasers....no. But don't post "counters" like those as if they were that simple. the funny thing here is you are saying my suggestions are not practical and yet you in your second paragraph lay out some excellent tactics for dealing with lasers that dont involve a nerf. thing is that those tactics would require forethought and teamwork. unfortunately most of the whiners asking for nerfs would rather have rock paper scissors but they want the rocks and scissors made of the same material as the paper so they can not have to think or work together. well not me i want rock made of rock and scissors made of steel and paper made of paper. Running and hiding aren't "excellent tactics". Neither is hoping that you have competent bluedots or meathshields. Running and hiding may help keep you alive but it isn't a counter for laser users. You won't be able to kill them by hiding or hoping someone else does Actuallyit is a great tactic if you are not just burying your head in the sand. I have found a good tactical retreat to be good for me and my team, pitt more people don't use it or we might get less QQ threads about heavies.
Quill Killian Better Hide R Die 107	Posted - 2013.01.20 10:24:00 - [39] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: what I don't understand is the hatred for zitro... he isn't the only mag QQer here, there are quite a few tbh... but what I'm most surprised about is I'm not seeing anyone step back and think... when we go open beta and so on there will be a whole mess of people comming over. I I wonder if dust will still be a ccp forum or a sony forum, you know half_way ran by playstation all star community people like plymco ... My point is get the F over it and realize it will be worse QQing going on once we get all the people from open beta and beyond Pfft. Half-way run by Plymco? Hell, no. He runs the whole show. In fact, don't cross the Plymco. He is all-seeing! BTW, the folks still on MAG plan on observing the game's third anniversary next weekend. They're trying to get as many people as possible to return for Jan. 25-27 to, for a brief time, return MAG to its glory days. All the MAG vets here oughta consider joining the fun.
Free Tears Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2013.01.20 11:41:00 - [40] - Quote I thought my name meant I gave tears but what the hell all these heavies are just crying don't nerf my stuff :'( ! Please CCP ill suck your (heavies mouth is currently full), that didn't taste like mayonnaise



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