Think they are going to bleed as much aurum we have accumulated out of us. Some of us are sitting on 100k's of aurum. Net worth of some people s assets could potentially be worth billions in isk. And said people haven't even played eve let alone own a pc. Plex prices could potentially plummet. And then what? Both markets crash? Plex isn't worth the money its printed on? Sticky situation ladies and gentlemen

Actually CCP already has your money by virtue of the fact that you bought aurum. The same is true for how plex is made. They don't need you to spend them at that point.

at least setting up a trade system for gods sake. Then it would be an old school player run market. Ulitma online style, shouting out prices in local, just to open a trade and sell manually. You know what, at least it works, and I can't see it taking more than a week if someone put their mind to it.

Just let players send isk and items. So we can at least hand out equipment to corpmates and trade officer drops for isk or other officer items. Please ccp, if not a true market, just something, please, and fast!

The economy is a major driving force of that game, so how is Dust a part of the EVE Universe without having any economy?

So I can think of three different ways Aurum can give a player an advantage:
1- Boosters: allow a player to gain SP faster, thus allowing players to use better gear and have improved stats

2- BPO items: give players an economic advantage (not performance) since they can run decent, no or low cost fittings.

3- superior Aurum items: Rarely we have seen consumable aurum items with arguable advantages that have no ISK variants. This is probably the least common argument of the three. Yet the one people point out when saying there is no problem.

I have played EVE Online and have a pretty clear understanding of the complexity of the economy. Which is largely my disappointment. The economy is a major driving force of that game, so how is Dust a part of the EVE Universe without having any economy?

But my main reason for bringing this up was to speculate on the possible impact this will have on release. Maybe the general public wont know what they are missing and wont feel like people that pay more money will have an advantage.

at least setting up a trade system for gods sake. Then it would be an old school player run market. Ulitma online style, shouting out prices in local, just to open a trade and sell manually. You know what, at least it works, and I can't see it taking more than a week if someone put their mind to it.

Just let players send isk and items. So we can at least hand out equipment to corpmates and trade officer drops for isk or other officer items. Please ccp, if not a true market, just something, please, and fast!

In the weekly feedback CCP Cmdr Wang writes:

"[FEEDBACK] Secondary Market
Update: We are working on this feature and realize that it's very important. The complexity of implementing this system successfully, does require a longer lead time, but expect this feature to be in-game SOON TM. "

So that pretty much means no chance of a player market by open beta. Probably not going to see it for quite a while. I feel like that deserves a discussion. How much of a big deal will this be do you think?


Personally I think this is a huge deal. Since I've followed this game's progress the open market has been the main argument defending the idea that this will not be a "pay to win" game. That is a stigma you do not want to have attached to a Free to Play game.

And lets not kid ourselves. Open beta is public release. The game goes public, NDA is removed, character progression will not be reset and players can spend real money on the game.

I don't think CCP is intentionally holding off the player market. I'm guessing they are just as disappointed that it is not ready. In fact I'm expecting it to make them more money because players with disposable incomes will buy Aurum items to make quick ISK.

I do think the general public will not like the idea of the current system. Especially with the high monthly cost if you kept up active and passive boosters.

Almost ALL multiplayer games branded "FREE to play" have some better items that can be bought with real money , therefor its Pay to Win and Dust514 is no exception.

Free to play is true , half of it.

You play as a half gimped target dummy in these kind of games if you dont use RL money.

Almost ALL multiplayer games branded "FREE to play" have some better items that can be bought with real money , therefor its Pay to Win and Dust514 is no exception.

Please name 5 items that are real money exclusive, that you can not adquire a similar one with normal game play and game money.

go check market , there are more than 5 , stop playing dumb

All of which can be obtained with ISK at the appropriate training level.

yeah riiight , stop lying to yourself

go check market , there are more than 5 , stop playing dumb

Sidearm Damage Mod, Heavy Damage Mod, Some AUR shield regulator things, Tsunami Mass Driver...oh wait, those are all errors or oversights. The correct answer is none. Stop being dumb.

people are not blind or dumb , anyone can compare stuff in market and see the truth

people are not blind or dumb , anyone can compare stuff in market and see the truth

Altina, Big Mama, and everyone else, stop this bickering. It's only dragging down the discussion. Remember, the point of the delay of the market is about balance. I don't think I can say that enough times.

You do realise that this is either a childish argument with lack of argument, or a fail troll, right?

Fair enough. Although I still want to know what that person was talking about, but you're right. I'm also annoyed at the market but if I understand correctly DUST is not going to have a separate market so if they want to take their time tying us in to the driving force behind EVE (which is to date their only released product) I can wait.


Not until the second post.