For the record, I'm ok with you people posting your concerns about the SP cap. It still needs tweeking and I'm open to ideas. However, now I'm starting to see threads that give people a false sense of value for SP gains such as the one that asked for SP in FW (lolwut?).

People, SP is just for one thing and one thing only: training for better gear. It's no different than Eve Online where people simply log in, queue up their skill, and then log off. In Eve Online, SP is just a clock giving you an estimate as to when you might get to use something. In Dust, I see it as nothing more than a clock as well and thus it means nothing to me in any other context.

But it seems that people here are treating SP as if it's something far more important than ISK rewards or even Faction Warfare influence. As if people are DESPERATE to want to be in proto anything as soon as possible and thus come up with any excuse to want to make SP more farmable.

Why? I mean, you are not going to be able to train all of the skill books completely anyways for the next seven years and that's just with the skill books we have now and not including future skill books we might receive in the coming years. So why are people acting like they are in a rush to reach level-five-everything?

I blame COD / HALO for this. Their SP systems encouraged this problem.

For the record, I'm ok with you people posting your concerns about the SP cap. It still needs tweeking and I'm open to ideas. However, now I'm starting to see threads that give people a false sense of value for SP gains such as the one that asked for SP in FW (lolwut?).

People, SP is just for one thing and one thing only: training for better gear. It's no different than Eve Online where people simply log in, queue up their skill, and then log off. In Eve Online, SP is just a clock giving you an estimate as to when you might get to use something. In Dust, I see it as nothing more than a clock as well and thus it means nothing to me in any other context.

But it seems that people here are treating SP as if it's something far more important than ISK rewards or even Faction Warfare influence. As if people are DESPERATE to want to be in proto anything as soon as possible and thus come up with any excuse to want to make SP more farmable.

Why? I mean, you are not going to be able to train all of the skill books completely anyways for the next seven years and that's just with the skill books we have now and not including future skill books we might receive in the coming years. So why are people acting like they are in a rush to reach level-five-everything?

I blame COD / HALO for this. Their SP systems encouraged this problem.

i'll bet good ISK that most of the players that complain about the SP haven't played EVE.
If they were familiar with the passive SP system and the importance of skillplans, they would understand why the system is the way it is, and why it fits the universe that DUST is set in better than a CoD system.
Although I was at first annoyed by "buying" skills with passive+reward SP, I now realize that it's far better for the average console player than having to remap attributes just to speed up a single tree.

However, the first thing a new player should know is, although important, SP is not almighty. Only ISK has that title.

Finally someone that, like me, enjoy killing people when they'r at the same level. I think SP are just fine, we are mercenaries and should fight for isks....

Fight for iskies? Idk about you but I have 100b on my eve account, when we can transfer isk to dust who cares about isk? 0 incentive imo.

@Lowratehitman

You're right. It's a reward in DUST. Not an entitlement. SP should be earned via patience. Eve has it differently but the concept is the same in that you're rewarded for waiting X amount of time to train a level.

ISK is the almighty currency we must bow down to. Not SP.

And that's why you still can't transfer them imo

Understand we are not Release Feature complete yet. Understanding that, I agree SP is not the be all end all. I think SP should be completely passive, but I have no issue with active gains.

The point of fighting, in the big picture, is to take and hold planets, be that for factions in lowsec for Faction Warfare, or for ourselves or others in Null Sec.

Isk, Stats, and SP are side effects of these actions.

Yes right now there are alot of features we do not have: The ability to build our own gear, ability to sell/buy/trade gear with other players on the market, ability to strike back at the orbiting ships raining fire on us, a way to tell how much impact we are having on Faction Warfare, the ability to pick where our battles take place, the ability to take planets for ourselves, the ability for corps to impose a tax to help raise revenue, and the ability to truely make a name for ourselves.

I have played EVE since 2005, I have played dust since April. there is a bigger picture than a daily sp cap meaning it will take time for you to get skills. Having a short sighted view of this game and asking for changes based on that will ruin this game.

Ya its exactly why you can't atm, but here my point in eve you can kill 1 belt rat(god forbid) and that's enough to cover advanced tank with fittings. In like 5 Mins you could have alto of tanks, and alot of ppl here have eve accounts, so you see dust isk is crappy very bottom tier isk rewards, less then a belt rat frigate. So isk really will have no influence in dust, when the faction in eve wins their district they're making more isk, and I'm not talking a million isk, im talking making way way more especially long term. In eve a mill isk is like .00001 isk in dust, see where im getting? It has no bearing.

Ya its exactly why you can't atm, but here my point in eve you can kill 1 belt rat(god forbid) and that's enough to cover advanced tank with fittings. In like 5 Mins you could have alto of tanks, and alot of ppl here have eve accounts, so you see dust isk is crappy very bottom tier isk rewards, less then a belt rat frigate. So isk really will have no influence in dust, when the faction in eve wins their district they're making more isk, and I'm not talking a million isk, im talking making way way more especially long term. In eve a mill isk is like .00001 isk in dust, see where im getting? It has no bearing.

I can imagine how expensive things will get once the Eve-DUST economies balance out and players gain control of it. Get ready to spend 10 million ISK on that sniper fit. Hehe.

Xxdust, are you from goonswarm? Only goons can be willing to drop that much and not give a damn.

I can imagine how expensive things will get once the Eve-DUST economies balance out and players gain control of it. Get ready to spend 10 million ISK on that sniper fit. Hehe.

You see, this is the point I was trying to make. One can now see how powerful ISK can be in comparison to SP. As I said before, SP is just a stepping stone to better gear. ISK and blood is what will drive the economy. Haven't people wondered why CCP is putting so much emphasis on making sure the economies get balanced? Because ISK is the true item of value, not SP. Territory is nice to have, but you only want territory because it will make you ISK and thus one day give you influence on the economy.

It'll give fw Corps and pilots isk, not players who's corps and alliances are not in fw, as far as the districts go anyway. it'll give high sec carebears isk by building then selling the items and it will give market manipulators isk by buying low and selling high, however the ones who hold most of the isk in eve......it gives nothing to whatsoever. So let's say and idk the numbers but im going to say 75%+ of eve players simply pvp in null sec and low sec with 0 interest in the listed above items, hence dust player base, won't really benefit from what happens in dust, like me they're just finally happy that our years harping the eve forums for a game like this came true AND it won't matter what isk they put out to their dust accounts cuz its minimal. Isk will mean nothing to the 75+%

You think DUST will only be in FW? It's been confirmed we're getting nullsec sometime. This is a beta and your treating it like full release.

This is true. If EVE players have to make our stuff, you seriously think they're going to sell it cheap? Sometimes EVE players get too full of themselves for their own good. This is a beta, stuff will cost more in DUST than it does now.

Oh don't worry there are enough idiot manufacturers out there who sell below cost. It just depends what the costs are. It could be that CCP set the mineral costs at a level which is inflationary compared to current market prices.

On one hand I would like to be able transfer my isk and never worry about that again, but then if we can what is there to play for?

I would support fully passive SP like Eve, although I would like an active element which would allow new players and toons to catch up to the passive SP day 1 character level in time.