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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:

Understand we are not Release Feature complete yet. Understanding that, I agree SP is not the be all end all. I think SP should be completely passive, but I have no issue with active gains.

The point of fighting, in the big picture, is to take and hold planets, be that for factions in lowsec for Faction Warfare, or for ourselves or others in Null Sec.

Isk, Stats, and SP are side effects of these actions.

Yes right now there are alot of features we do not have: The ability to build our own gear, ability to sell/buy/trade gear with other players on the market, ability to strike back at the orbiting ships raining fire on us, a way to tell how much impact we are having on Faction Warfare, the ability to pick where our battles take place, the ability to take planets for ourselves, the ability for corps to impose a tax to help raise revenue, and the ability to truely make a name for ourselves.

I have played EVE since 2005, I have played dust since April. there is a bigger picture than a daily sp cap meaning it will take time for you to get skills. Having a short sighted view of this game and asking for changes based on that will ruin this game.


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Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:11:00 - [1] - Quote For the record, I'm ok with you people posting your concerns about the SP cap. It still needs tweeking and I'm open to ideas. However, now I'm starting to see threads that give people a false sense of value for SP gains such as the one that asked for SP in FW (lolwut?). People, SP is just for one thing and one thing only: training for better gear. It's no different than Eve Online where people simply log in, queue up their skill, and then log off. In Eve Online, SP is just a clock giving you an estimate as to when you might get to use something. In Dust, I see it as nothing more than a clock as well and thus it means nothing to me in any other context. But it seems that people here are treating SP as if it's something far more important than ISK rewards or even Faction Warfare influence. As if people are DESPERATE to want to be in proto anything as soon as possible and thus come up with any excuse to want to make SP more farmable. Why? I mean, you are not going to be able to train all of the skill books completely anyways for the next seven years and that's just with the skill books we have now and not including future skill books we might receive in the coming years. So why are people acting like they are in a rush to reach level-five-everything? I blame COD / HALO for this. Their SP systems encouraged this problem.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:39:00 - [2] - Quote @Lowratehitman You're right. It's a reward in DUST. Not an entitlement. SP should be earned via patience. Eve has it differently but the concept is the same in that you're rewarded for waiting X amount of time to train a level. ISK is the almighty currency we must bow down to. Not SP.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:44:00 - [3] - Quote @xxdust Wait until you see your 100 billion ISK transfer from Eve get slapped with a tax.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:47:00 - [4] - Quote Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: Understand we are not Release Feature complete yet. Understanding that, I agree SP is not the be all end all. I think SP should be completely passive, but I have no issue with active gains. The point of fighting, in the big picture, is to take and hold planets, be that for factions in lowsec for Faction Warfare, or for ourselves or others in Null Sec. Isk, Stats, and SP are side effects of these actions. Yes right now there are alot of features we do not have: The ability to build our own gear, ability to sell/buy/trade gear with other players on the market, ability to strike back at the orbiting ships raining fire on us, a way to tell how much impact we are having on Faction Warfare, the ability to pick where our battles take place, the ability to take planets for ourselves, the ability for corps to impose a tax to help raise revenue, and the ability to truely make a name for ourselves. I have played EVE since 2005, I have played dust since April. there is a bigger picture than a daily sp cap meaning it will take time for you to get skills. Having a short sighted view of this game and asking for changes based on that will ruin this game. Thank you for expanding on my point.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 05:57:00 - [5] - Quote @CCP frame Awe. You took away my SPs. Now my title is down militia level. Lol just kidding. I don't mind the change to the title. :)
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 06:05:00 - [6] - Quote I can imagine how expensive things will get once the Eve-DUST economies balance out and players gain control of it. Get ready to spend 10 million ISK on that sniper fit. Hehe.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 06:08:00 - [7] - Quote Xxdust, are you from goonswarm? Only goons can be willing to drop that much and not give a damn.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 06:25:00 - [8] - Quote You see, this is the point I was trying to make. One can now see how powerful ISK can be in comparison to SP. As I said before, SP is just a stepping stone to better gear. ISK and blood is what will drive the economy. Haven't people wondered why CCP is putting so much emphasis on making sure the economies get balanced? Because ISK is the true item of value, not SP. Territory is nice to have, but you only want territory because it will make you ISK and thus one day give you influence on the economy.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 17:28:00 - [9] - Quote I do have to agree with Your Name Here in regards to being behind. Imagine 10 years from now when you have about 300,000,000 SP in your character (with current rate of 1SP/sec) and then all of a sudden a newcomer arrives with just 300,000 SP. Are you seriously considering that the newcomer should be able to quickly catch up to the 300million SP vet in an utterly short time when it took the vet 10 years to get there? It would not be fair. Therefore, the concept of "you-came-late-then-tough-luck" is the only fair concept there is because no matter what idea we come up with there will always be that one newcomer that will be disadvantaged. I also agree with Trollsroyce in that an SP system that is strictly passive with no active gains is a turn off as well. I use to consider it, but I realized how much of a bad idea that would be in the current FPS culture.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2013.01.14 17:50:00 - [10] - Quote @Sobriety You are correct that right now the content is limited, but don't forget that, just like Eve Online, Dust 514 is a work in progress and probably will be for the next 10 years. Of course, I'm not saying we should wait 10 years to get anything meaningful other than SP gains. We might see more meaningful things later this year alone.