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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:51:00 -
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Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:This is exactly what i fear they will hit the wall of vets and say **** this and give up on DUST and not only that would probably spread the word to others of the same mentality, some will probably stick to it but very few will have patience and a want to be effectivly beaten repeatedly. When DUST goes live it NEEDS a Sp wipe, and the sp system needs to be made viable for people who A: dont play every day(roll over is a fix) and B: people who start a month or 2 into developpment(a DUST wide roll over would make it possible but not easy to catch up)
This is my feeling too,and I have been wondering if CCP is totally clueless of this,but then I just started thinking,why would CCP not reset? What is the point of it? Then it just hit me.
CCP is banking on that those noobs that are getting abused by vets will like the game so much ,yet hate that they are so far behind,that they are going to start spending money on AUR in an effort to catch up or at least stand on equal footing with the vets.If this is what CCP is banking on,it will surely blow up in their faces,as most console gamers would rather move on to another game,than spend money on what is advertised as a Free To Play game in order to compete with people that are going to be handed a clear advantage from the start.
Whatever CCP says,I'm still not convinced that they aren't going to do a reset for launch.I just don't see how they figure that this is going to go over well with the new players that they are trying to attract to the game.
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:51:00 -
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Lady Hyuna wrote:Foley Jones wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:This is exactly what i fear they will hit the wall of vets and say **** this and give up on DUST and not only that would probably spread the word to others of the same mentality, some will probably stick to it but very few will have patience and a want to be effectivly beaten repeatedly. When DUST goes live it NEEDS a Sp wipe, and the sp system needs to be made viable for people who A: dont play every day(roll over is a fix) and B: people who start a month or 2 into developpment(a DUST wide roll over would make it possible but not easy to catch up) This is my feeling too,and I have been wondering if CCP is totally clueless of this,but then I just started thinking,why would CCP not reset? What is the point of it? Then it just hit me. CCP is banking on that those noobs that are getting abused by vets will like the game so much ,yet hate that they are so far behind,that they are going to start spending money on AUR in an effort to catch up or at least stand on equal footing with the vets.If this is what CCP is banking on,it will surely blow up in their faces,as most console gamers would rather move on to another game,than spend money on what is advertised as a Free To Play game in order to compete with people that are going to be handed a clear advantage from the start. Whatever CCP says,I'm still not convinced that they aren't going to do a reset for launch.I just don't see how they figure that this is going to go over well with the new players that they are trying to attract to the game. You have a point but I believe its confirmed that there will be no more resets, CCP is telling us this is a head start so why would they be like "oh sorry I know we said we gave you a head start but uh...wipe" I mean sure the free points. But it wouldent feel like a head start...besides we JUST had a wipe...people will be raging like no tommorow on the fourms I promise you Im Just carious How is any different from a noob when the game is out and rage quitting because he keeps dieing? I is like me joining COD and raging and such because I keep die from lack of skills. I just don't see any different than seeing someone joining for OB with people with all the skills, than joining when the game has been out for 3 months.
The difference is that the ceiling on your character skill level is much higher in Dust than any other shooter probably ever.For instance,in MAG,if you started one month after everyone else,you would hit level 60 a little bit later,but you would still top out like everyone else eventually does,then it all comes down to player skill,and not the skill level of your character.
Casual players that join Dust 2 to 3 months in,won't have a chance in hell,unless they are playing similar opponents,which may,or may not be in as much of abundance as CCP would hope for. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:00:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:
I hope you guys are joking. Before wipe militia players were making protos QQ. Newbs can use nades as easy as any of us and crush with an LAV as quick as any of us. You guys underestimate people way too much. Besides - I'm sure CCP will hold events on weekends on such for more SP gains when game goes Open Beta to drive people to play. You really should look at the P2W market - CCP claims they don't want it but they're following it's mechanics. Though dust is still not a P2W game.
But you are discounting the meta game aspect,of which no matter what,noobs will definitely be much further behind than everyone else,even if they are still getting a fair amount of kills.
There's going to be so much QQ'ing from noobs about respecing their skills,because they don't have the experience of playing for the last half year,and knowing not to spread around your SP into spots that you don't need.
But even with that,regarless of protos QQ'ing over noobs killing them,the noobs with more than likely get outgunned the majority of the time,thus leading to their frustration.Couple that with the lack of knowledge of the meta game,and it could be a quick exit for a lot of players. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:08:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Also the logic fails.
I mean what if the game was a year old and new players enter the game?
Then the new players would get totally destroyed.If everyone starts off on the ground floor at the same time and you start late,then that's totally on you.The way that CCP will justify this is that if you wanted to get SP early,they you should have bought the Merc Pack,which is kinda BS.
And along with that,unless those players are being told by us that are in the beta right now,how are they going to know to get in now so that they aren't behind? I'm pretty damn sure that CCP isn't sending emails out telling people that this is supposedly the last wipe.
Mark my words,if they don't do a wipe for the launch,it will be a huge mistake. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:43:00 -
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Telcontar Dunedain wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Also the logic fails.
I mean what if the game was a year old and new players enter the game? Then the new players would get totally destroyed.If everyone starts off on the ground floor at the same time and you start late,then that's totally on you.The way that CCP will justify this is that if you wanted to get SP early,they you should have bought the Merc Pack,which is kinda BS. And along with that,unless those players are being told by us that are in the beta right now,how are they going to know to get in now so that they aren't behind? I'm pretty damn sure that CCP isn't sending emails out telling people that this is supposedly the last wipe. Mark my words,if they don't do a wipe for the launch,it will be a huge mistake. The ground floor was this reset. It's actually pretty common to have a headstart as the game goes live these days. I think almost 1m people have been invited. If they aren't following along, what can you do? Keep resetting until they do?
But the ground floor should never be a Closed Beta.
CCP is acknowledging that people are getting a head start,which really isn't fair,nor doing any favors to the latecomers,which if you start on launch day,or even open beta,aren't latecomers.
I guess what I would like to know more than anything at this point is what is CCP doing other than the word of mouth of the beta testers,to let the people that aren't in the beta know that they should be in here now if they don't want to start at the bottom of the hill while every one else is already a good ways up it.
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Posted - 2013.01.14 01:18:00 -
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Telcontar Dunedain wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Telcontar Dunedain wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Also the logic fails.
I mean what if the game was a year old and new players enter the game? Then the new players would get totally destroyed.If everyone starts off on the ground floor at the same time and you start late,then that's totally on you.The way that CCP will justify this is that if you wanted to get SP early,they you should have bought the Merc Pack,which is kinda BS. And along with that,unless those players are being told by us that are in the beta right now,how are they going to know to get in now so that they aren't behind? I'm pretty damn sure that CCP isn't sending emails out telling people that this is supposedly the last wipe. Mark my words,if they don't do a wipe for the launch,it will be a huge mistake. The ground floor was this reset. It's actually pretty common to have a headstart as the game goes live these days. I think almost 1m people have been invited. If they aren't following along, what can you do? Keep resetting until they do? But the ground floor should never be a Closed Beta. CCP is acknowledging that people are getting a head start,which really isn't fair,nor doing any favors to the latecomers,which if you start on launch day,or even open beta,aren't latecomers. I guess what I would like to know more than anything at this point is what is CCP doing other than the word of mouth of the beta testers,to let the people that aren't in the beta know that they should be in here now if they don't want to start at the bottom of the hill while every one else is already a good ways up it. I think you guys are trying to hunt around for some optimal newb experience that wouldn't happen anyway. It takes most people a few weeks to get comfortable with games anyway. A few things mitigate this - First there is really only a few weeks difference between a new character and advanced. Six weeks of dedicated AR build and you should be pretty much end game. After that it having more options in playstyles. Second, given that this game should have a long life cycle measured in years instead of months, people will constantly will be coming and going at different skill levels. Why try to optimize around some mythical marketing launch? Lastly the player base in this game is so bad (not trolling, the skill level is low) that I think good players will do fine coming in.
I'll just sum up my opinion with an analogy.What CCP is doing with not having a final wipe for launch is similar to this.
There's a pro basketball game being played tonight,and one team shows up to the stadium before the other team.The early team is out on the court doing the shoot around while the late team has just entered the stadium.The late team is finally ready to go,but has missed the shoot around,yet the game is still set to start at a certain predetermined time.Both teams are on the court now,and we are ready for the jump ball,but before the ball is tossed in the air to start the game,the early team is spotted 10 points just for being there first.
Do you see how that scenario doesn't make any sense whatsoever? CCP is doing the exact same thing,which makes no sense either.
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Posted - 2013.01.14 02:26:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:
Yes and no.
I.e. if you have 2M SP in AR versus my new toon then I get instakilled for about two months or so until I also have an equivalent amount of SP then its down to who sees who first.
And there's the key right there.How many of these noobs do you honestly think will stick around for that long? Personally,I would like to think that people would stick it out,but like I've said in other threads,most gamers are stupid these days,and don't have a very long attention span.
Imo,and I really hope I'm wrong about this,the playerbase for Dust will never reach the numbers that is needed to make this game the most epic game ever.Without that high install base of gamers,it's going to be virtually impossible to do what EVE does,in that it's playerbase has grown every year.
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Posted - 2013.01.14 02:46:00 -
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Telcontar Dunedain wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:Telcontar Dunedain wrote:
I think you guys are trying to hunt around for some optimal newb experience that wouldn't happen anyway.
It takes most people a few weeks to get comfortable with games anyway.
A few things mitigate this -
First there is really only a few weeks difference between a new character and advanced. Six weeks of dedicated AR build and you should be pretty much end game. After that it having more options in playstyles.
Second, given that this game should have a long life cycle measured in years instead of months, people will constantly will be coming and going at different skill levels. Why try to optimize around some mythical marketing launch?
Lastly the player base in this game is so bad (not trolling, the skill level is low) that I think good players will do fine coming in.
I'll just sum up my opinion with an analogy.What CCP is doing with not having a final wipe for launch is similar to this. There's a pro basketball game being played tonight,and one team shows up to the stadium before the other team.The early team is out on the court doing the shoot around while the late team has just entered the stadium.The late team is finally ready to go,but has missed the shoot around,yet the game is still set to start at a certain predetermined time.Both teams are on the court now,and we are ready for the jump ball,but before the ball is tossed in the air to start the game,the early team is spotted 10 points just for being there first. Do you see how that scenario doesn't make any sense whatsoever? CCP is doing the exact same thing,which makes no sense either. Your analogy only works if we were all playing one single game. We will be playing thousands of games. It will all even out in the end.
True,but it's not about what's going to happen 4-7 years from now,it's about implementing a strong install base of players.Without that install base,it's going to be an uphill battle. |
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