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Vrain Matari
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Posted - 2013.01.13 13:17:00 -
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Well done, Heinrich-Hans quantum-entangled bro entity thingie.
The feedback is much appreciated. We as a playerbase need to keep ourselves as well-informed as possible and your post helps.
We all know we're(Dust players, CCP, and Eve players) engaged in a collective grand experiment, and I think that it's becoming clearer that we are not out of the woods yet. In fact, we're prolly just entering the Fire Swamp as we speak.
Core mechanics was the easy part(and they're not done yet, CCP - if you forget this i will hound you to the very gates of hell!), but it is what comes next that will make or break us.
With a game having metagaming like Eve's getting things like match/FW/sov dynamics right is a BIG ask. Not to mention ISK/loyalty points/AUR. The system is non-linear and chaotic(for real), and it is impossible to predict exactly what effect changes to game rules will have. CCP knows this and is going to be very cautious in the weeks/months to come. As they should - these are dark and uncharted waters, and what is at risk is literally precious.
If we and CCP fail at making this game a success, that's literally the end of it - no other developer will even think about attempting something as batshit crazy as this for at least a decade. All industry eyes are on CCP right now, and if I had to guess I'd say the bets have largely been laid against them. CCP is the crazy viking who has stepped alone into the cave inhabited by we-know-not-what with only a torch and a battle-ax, and the whole industry is waiting to see if they come back dead, broken or a hero worthy of the sagas.
We, the players have a role in this - because we've stepped into that dark place with them.
So bring your best beta-tester game, peeps. This time it counts. |
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Posted - 2013.01.13 13:30:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:+1 but...
That's a lot of chatter about ISKs... but if I may be so bold... planetary interaction? From my perspective, the link needs to be stronger than just ISK. EvE with no industry would not function. Dust without industry will not function. It's all about the PI. Even if it starts out as something like a Facebook game for the first few months. Then they can add a similar option to Captains Quaters. All IMHO ;)
You're right Tony, but you've got the wrong target. PI is a side game in EVE. It's useful and would be a good income stream for us Dust mercs(given our cost of doing business), but on Eve's industrial scale it's akin to a one-man pottery shop - virtually meaningless.
The target we should all have in our sight is Technetium and the other moon minerals. This is the game, this is the oil, this is what is worth going to war over and slaughtering million of innocents if necessary. An alliance without TECH is nothing, the best they can aspire to is loyal lapdog status.
What we mercs need is a game mechanic that allows us to fight for the Tech and take it - and then take it we will.
The first time such a thing happens, all of New Eden will shudder. Their collective balls will shrivel and pull up inside their bodies. Because at that point they will know they have become engaged in a fight to the death.
And if the game mechanics offer a reasonable playing field, we can win that fight. |
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Posted - 2013.01.13 13:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Because the as a Council Stellar Manager elected official by the players for the players to give the developers a real piece of our mind, IT'S @#$% HIS JOB! Of course there are plenty of lag, they're basically ECHOING our concerns. Majority of the issues brought up by the CSM are very well known by the eve community in one shape form or another. Hell I live in high sec and know every single complaint about low and null sec mentioned in the CSM minutes when they're bought up. That's how bad it lags but I sleep better at night knowing that CSM has expressively pushed the top concerns onto CCP and force CCP to acknowledge something is just not right in some places.
Rewind to the whole Incarna fiasco. CSM consistently expressed concerns it added little to no game play value, CCP ignored them. This resulted in probably the largest loss of Eve players to date, forcing the firing of 20% of CCP staff, another delay in World of Darkness. and scrapping a lot of previous plans in eve development schedule.
My overall general consensus gathering of the Eve population's opinion on Dust 514 is... they're afraid... they are truly afraid dust 514 is going destroy eve online.
While we may find this far less informative when you have people running community errands from developers to you guys on a near daily bases constantly keeping you guys up in the know-what's-up soon. Its all because what I and my fellow community builders know I can freely share with you guys. I cannot do this for eve pilots, constantly regret sharing frustration with the NDA over it. There are eve pilots genuinely still believing we'll will be taking over their PI infrastructure, their FW Sov, destroying years worth of market foundations, and even flipping year's worth of building an empire sovereignty and they'd be powerless to stop it.
Some empires in Eve are 10 years in the making, they have every right to be afraid, and in all honesty I would not be surprised if CCP itself was afraid over this project. Props for CCP for actually doing something other than fantasizing about a day where two games are in the same universe, an industry major first almost.
My bolding, because this is as true as true can be.
To paraphrase an old Mashall, 'Any alliance that's not afraid, that alliance is a fool'. |
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Posted - 2013.01.13 16:44:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Tony Calif wrote:+1 but...
That's a lot of chatter about ISKs... but if I may be so bold... planetary interaction? From my perspective, the link needs to be stronger than just ISK. EvE with no industry would not function. Dust without industry will not function. It's all about the PI. Even if it starts out as something like a Facebook game for the first few months. Then they can add a similar option to Captains Quaters. All IMHO ;) You're right Tony, but you've got the wrong target. PI is a side game in EVE. It's useful and would be a good income stream for us Dust mercs(given our cost of doing business), but on Eve's industrial scale it's akin to a one-man pottery shop - virtually meaningless. The target we should all have in our sight is Technetium and the other moon minerals. This is the game, this is the oil, this is what is worth going to war over and slaughtering million of innocents if necessary. An alliance without TECH is nothing, the best they can aspire to is loyal lapdog status. What we mercs need is a game mechanic that allows us to fight for the Tech and take it - and then take it we will. The first time such a thing happens, all of New Eden will shudder. Their collective balls will shrivel and pull up inside their bodies. Because at that point they will know they have become engaged in a fight to the death. And if the game mechanics offer a reasonable playing field, we can win that fight. Thats not going to happen because CCP already want to take all out Tech moons from us. They plan to revamp that whole system with ring mining so tech won't be as valuable as it is now anyway. DUST needs an even bigger impact than the technetium market because its already being looked at.
What you say is true, i'm hoping myself that DUST is somehow incorporated into ring mining. But the point is that the wealth in EVE is being generated primarily by the T2 extraction/refining/reacting/manufacturing chain. I don't care what it is, so long as we mercs have a chance at owning it. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 13:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I don't want to board a titan >< Too much trouble.
Yeah - agreed 100%. That's too much walking. Sheesh.
If it does happen i sure hope those things got golf carts. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:46:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:How the hell would they incorporate Dust into ring mining?...
And the whole point of Dust is to be a huge ISK sink so in theory we'll always be rich in Dust terms if everything works right, they want to siphon money out of the EVE economy and into Dust so that's its destroyed, right now there's a tiny volume of ISK destroyed each day in comparison to what's brought into the economy each day with ratting bountys etc so people get richer every single day in EVE and that's having a massive impact on Inflation, they want EVE to have a recession to bring some balance back into things.
That's not hard. Easy to generate scenarios. Try these:
Ring mining needs an orbital platform which significantly increased the efficiency of mining ships. Said platform has hellacious sheilds to survive the ring environment, but is also vulnerable to infiltration by mercs....
The processing of ring 'ore' requires a plantetside/space elevator facility in it's refine/react/manufacture chain....
Ring mining requires a gas giant 'floating city' infrastructure hub that will significantly improve long-range scanning in the rings for high-grade ore...
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