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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2013.01.11 21:48:00 -
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Can you jump on Skype please Hans? |
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Posted - 2013.01.12 02:31:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:+1 but...
That's a lot of chatter about ISKs... but if I may be so bold... planetary interaction? From my perspective, the link needs to be stronger than just ISK. EvE with no industry would not function. Dust without industry will not function. It's all about the PI. Even if it starts out as something like a Facebook game for the first few months. Then they can add a similar option to Captains Quaters. All IMHO ;)
It needs much, MUCH more than just PI adding in.
PI's already been confirmed, just people havent paid attention to it. |
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Posted - 2013.01.12 02:46:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Nice post.
Flattered to think you consider me a community leader.
Personally, I'd say I'm more of a parrot. :P
I disagree, you've done a lot, especially in the early days when there was about 10 of us on the forums. lol.
ZionShad on the other hand i think of as more of a parrot. |
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Posted - 2013.01.13 11:57:00 -
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Octavian Vetiver wrote:crazy space 2100046106 wrote:PI in eve needs to be scraped and replaced with something that dust works into like we were promised PI 2.0 on the Features and Ideas forum on the EVE Online site would cover it perfectly.
There needs to be much more than JUST PI though.
I think CCP have that in the works though, just looking at some of the models they have groundside get's my interest going as the functions of some of them are pretty obvious and could open up some very interesting stuff. |
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:28:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Tony Calif wrote:+1 but...
That's a lot of chatter about ISKs... but if I may be so bold... planetary interaction? From my perspective, the link needs to be stronger than just ISK. EvE with no industry would not function. Dust without industry will not function. It's all about the PI. Even if it starts out as something like a Facebook game for the first few months. Then they can add a similar option to Captains Quaters. All IMHO ;) You're right Tony, but you've got the wrong target. PI is a side game in EVE. It's useful and would be a good income stream for us Dust mercs(given our cost of doing business), but on Eve's industrial scale it's akin to a one-man pottery shop - virtually meaningless. The target we should all have in our sight is Technetium and the other moon minerals. This is the game, this is the oil, this is what is worth going to war over and slaughtering million of innocents if necessary. An alliance without TECH is nothing, the best they can aspire to is loyal lapdog status. What we mercs need is a game mechanic that allows us to fight for the Tech and take it - and then take it we will. The first time such a thing happens, all of New Eden will shudder. Their collective balls will shrivel and pull up inside their bodies. Because at that point they will know they have become engaged in a fight to the death. And if the game mechanics offer a reasonable playing field, we can win that fight.
Thats not going to happen because CCP already want to take all out Tech moons from us. They plan to revamp that whole system with ring mining so tech won't be as valuable as it is now anyway.
DUST needs an even bigger impact than the technetium market because its already being looked at. |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:59:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Tony Calif wrote:+1 but...
That's a lot of chatter about ISKs... but if I may be so bold... planetary interaction? From my perspective, the link needs to be stronger than just ISK. EvE with no industry would not function. Dust without industry will not function. It's all about the PI. Even if it starts out as something like a Facebook game for the first few months. Then they can add a similar option to Captains Quaters. All IMHO ;) You're right Tony, but you've got the wrong target. PI is a side game in EVE. It's useful and would be a good income stream for us Dust mercs(given our cost of doing business), but on Eve's industrial scale it's akin to a one-man pottery shop - virtually meaningless. The target we should all have in our sight is Technetium and the other moon minerals. This is the game, this is the oil, this is what is worth going to war over and slaughtering million of innocents if necessary. An alliance without TECH is nothing, the best they can aspire to is loyal lapdog status. What we mercs need is a game mechanic that allows us to fight for the Tech and take it - and then take it we will. The first time such a thing happens, all of New Eden will shudder. Their collective balls will shrivel and pull up inside their bodies. Because at that point they will know they have become engaged in a fight to the death. And if the game mechanics offer a reasonable playing field, we can win that fight. Thats not going to happen because CCP already want to take all out Tech moons from us. They plan to revamp that whole system with ring mining so tech won't be as valuable as it is now anyway. DUST needs an even bigger impact than the technetium market because its already being looked at. What you say is true, i'm hoping myself that DUST is somehow incorporated into ring mining. But the point is that the wealth in EVE is being generated primarily by the T2 extraction/refining/reacting/manufacturing chain. I don't care what it is, so long as we mercs have a chance at owning it.
How the hell would they incorporate Dust into ring mining?...
And the whole point of Dust is to be a huge ISK sink so in theory we'll always be rich in Dust terms if everything works right, they want to siphon money out of the EVE economy and into Dust so that's its destroyed, right now there's a tiny volume of ISK destroyed each day in comparison to what's brought into the economy each day with ratting bountys etc so people get richer every single day in EVE and that's having a massive impact on Inflation, they want EVE to have a recession to bring some balance back into things.
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howard sanchez wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Octavian Vetiver wrote:crazy space 2100046106 wrote:PI in eve needs to be scraped and replaced with something that dust works into like we were promised PI 2.0 on the Features and Ideas forum on the EVE Online site would cover it perfectly. There needs to be much more than JUST PI though. I think CCP have that in the works though, just looking at some of the models they have groundside get's my interest going as the functions of some of them are pretty obvious and could open up some very interesting stuff. Like what? No, really, I am curious about your ideas and aspirations regarding the Dust/Eve game and what it Could be like.
It's a difficult question to answer because i know a couple of things and i can't give details, but i'd like to see them impact things like SOV timers in EVE, that could make us all rich alone without anything else.
The ability to destroy or stop Cyno beacons working in large staging systems or even stopping Cyno jammers too. Even those tiny things could make things amazingly impressive. |
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:28:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:How the hell would they incorporate Dust into ring mining?...
And the whole point of Dust is to be a huge ISK sink so in theory we'll always be rich in Dust terms if everything works right, they want to siphon money out of the EVE economy and into Dust so that's its destroyed, right now there's a tiny volume of ISK destroyed each day in comparison to what's brought into the economy each day with ratting bountys etc so people get richer every single day in EVE and that's having a massive impact on Inflation, they want EVE to have a recession to bring some balance back into things.
That's not hard. Easy to generate scenarios. Try these: Ring mining needs an orbital platform which significantly increased the efficiency of mining ships. Said platform has hellacious sheilds to survive the ring environment, but is also vulnerable to infiltration by mercs.... The processing of ring 'ore' requires a plantetside/space elevator facility in it's refine/react/manufacture chain.... Ring mining requires a gas giant 'floating city' infrastructure hub that will significantly improve long-range scanning in the rings for high-grade ore...
The space elevator idea is not that bad actually but the other two are ridiculous. |
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